(16-04-2012, 11:39 AM)Isabelle Wrote: I'm not too worried about weak phyto-estrogens. Estrogen receptor antagonists are the real problem.
Hi Isabelle ... you say you're not worried about weak phyto-estrogens .... the quote in my previous post was in a PM that you sent me (see below) What has changed?
""Xanthohumol … this is an anti-androgen (blocks 5AR) plus it contains a weak phyto-estrogen (but lots of it) . The phyto-estrogen in xanthohumol, although weak, is a stronger binder to the estrogen receptors. As long as xanthohumol is on the receptors, it will inhibit estradiol converting estrogens from binding to the receptors. On the board, we know it takes a week to a month to clear the receptors. So what you do is take hops with a light meal. That will allow your body to metabolize the xanthohumol phyto-estrogens into a form of 8-prenylnaringenin …. Which is converted into Estradiol … good for NBE"
Chrishoney's post was a nice "theoretical representation", but I didn't see any answer as to whether the "weak phyto-estrogens" would lock out the ones from "8-prenylnaringenin" ... I guess unless the specific set of circumstances were tested it's all just guessing.
After thinking more about it I don't think it's an issue anyway .... ALL I need to do is to take my Hops with food and forget about the Hops with water ... it will still inhibit conversion to DHT (allowing more Free T to become Estradiol) AND it will also create 8-prenylnaringenin which is what we want .... at least that's what I'm thinking
Karen