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The Comprehensive NBE Program
#71
Thanks Surfer Joe
I think your correct with PM toooo much - prob explains the spotting today after stopping PM 2days ago (end of first half cycle) cut it down to one daily . I know this is still too much as there 350mg each. Did think about opening them and halving dose theyd be 175mg. Would i still need to cycle? I could go lower spilt into 3 (115mg approx).
I was taking calcium to help with absorption of PM but i think i may drop it or maybe once daily.
Ill up nutritional mix 2x daily 1/4cup each time.
Ill leave tumeric out and look for some alternative for fish oil.

The glutamine was to repair my gut lining - but ill cut down on hemp protein, glutamine and arginine ill half my usual amounts. 

Thanks alot for your help. Appericate it. Ill let you know my progress...slow and steady. 
Chrissy
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#72
Yeah sounds good.

The L-arginine is fine except that it could give you an upset stomach if not well spread out.  Studies actually use 6,000 mg.  The nutritional mix has some L-arginine too, around 3,000 mg I think but I can't find the original spreadsheet at the moment.  Grains have a little.  I hadn't heard of using glutamine for stomach lining, I don't know anything about that.  As long as it doesn't give you digestion issues it couldn't hurt at least.  It seems suspicious though since you already get several thousand mg from diet.

For more than 100 mg PM you should probably cycle.  You might get away with a little more without cycling, but I'm not sure.
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#73
Thank you ... very grateful for your help!
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#74
Hi surfer joe
After some feedback... being following new routine. But ive experienced shrinkage 80.5cm back to 77cm - do i assume this is proestrongen? Am off PM at moment (besides topicals) and lowing does when new cycle starts  (100mg).  Am doing everything we discussed; still waiting for seed/nut mix though.  Any thoughts would be welcomed. Thanks Chrissy
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#75
PM'd before I saw post here (probably from removing PM and/or adding PC, see PM for details).
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#76
I came up with a non-herbal massage butter that's easy to put together.  It's similar to the salve above, but with more fat to be absorbed into the breasts/butt and less complication.  And if you want the same benefits from glycolic acid as the cream you can simply apply a 1-5% glycolic acid cream before applying the below.  Whatever concentration is high enough to give swelling but doesn't hurt, try 1% first or dilute a stronger cream with regular lotion.  Keeping things separate also allows more customization and retweaking with each part.

Non-Herbal Breast or Butt Massage Butter (soft butter melts into oil the instant you touch it)
4 oz squalane
1 lb. cocoa butter
8 oz flax seed oil
2 oz. T-95 *mixed tocopherol* vitamin E oil. (or 4 oz T-50).
(optional) scent with essential oils as desired

Melt in pan over low heat, stir.  Transfer to quart jar or other container(s) while warm.

Can be halved if you can find those quantities for sale.  Or use generously while still fresh, around several months.  Or else keep refrigerated to help it last a couple years.  If it separates then simply drop the jar into a hot water bath until it melts again, then shake.
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#77
(26-04-2015, 05:16 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Here is an extremely basic, cheap yet highly effective example program with links to all products:

1 per day, then soon 2 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Shatavari-Extract-...003NZWI36/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Palmetto-Extract-N...001B7LYAQ/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Vitex-...001E101L2/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Clover...000Z95EZC/

Again those who aren't at least a full A cup should strongly consider good nutrition first.  And nutrition is nice for everyone else too.  50-100 mg PM would be cheaper than red clover but I couldn't find capsules with so little so you'd have to carefully measure out tiny amounts of powder.


Hi! I am bottom heavy, so I have decided to try the progest. Cream, do I apply directly to breast, or on the wrist as the bottle says?
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#78
(05-08-2017, 06:26 PM)Melmitch997 Wrote:
(26-04-2015, 05:16 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Here is an extremely basic, cheap yet highly effective example program with links to all products:

1 per day, then soon 2 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Shatavari-Extract-...003NZWI36/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Palmetto-Extract-N...001B7LYAQ/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Vitex-...001E101L2/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Clover...000Z95EZC/

Again those who aren't at least a full A cup should strongly consider good nutrition first.  And nutrition is nice for everyone else too.  50-100 mg PM would be cheaper than red clover but I couldn't find capsules with so little so you'd have to carefully measure out tiny amounts of powder.


Hi! I am bottom heavy, so I have decided to try the progest. Cream, do I apply directly to breast, or on the wrist as the bottle says?


Thank you for your repsonse! 
After reading your article a few days ago, i ordered these which you suggested:
saw palmetto, msm, pregesto-life cream, shatavari 50% saponians and i bought a milk thistle cleanse to do for a week before starting this program, i am bottom heavy, i also believe i have a little too much testosterone due to the fact i get small amounts of hair on my chest, but i have not taken a hormone test. i was planning on following the program you have posted here, i wanted to make sure i put the cream on my breast or do i do it on my wrist as the cream bottle says? thank you for all of your help!
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#79
(05-08-2017, 06:26 PM)Melmitch997 Wrote:
(26-04-2015, 05:16 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Here is an extremely basic, cheap yet highly effective example program with links to all products:

1 per day, then soon 2 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Shatavari-Extract-...003NZWI36/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Palmetto-Extract-N...001B7LYAQ/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Vitex-...001E101L2/
1 per day: http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Way-Clover...000Z95EZC/

Again those who aren't at least a full A cup should strongly consider good nutrition first.  And nutrition is nice for everyone else too.  50-100 mg PM would be cheaper than red clover but I couldn't find capsules with so little so you'd have to carefully measure out tiny amounts of powder.


Hi! I am bottom heavy, so I have decided to try the progest. Cream, do I apply directly to breast, or on the wrist as the bottle says?


Thank you for your repsonse! 
After reading your article a few days ago, i ordered these which you suggested:
saw palmetto, msm, pregesto-life cream, shatavari 50% saponians and i bought a milk thistle cleanse to do for a week before starting this program, i am bottom heavy, i also believe i have a little too much testosterone due to the fact i get small amounts of hair on my chest, but i have not taken a hormone test. i was planning on following the program you have posted here, i wanted to make sure i put the cream on my breast or do i do it on my wrist as the cream bottle says? thank you for all of your help!
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#80
Sounds good.  You can put progesterone cream in either spot but the wrist is easier so I'd put it on the wrist.

In addition to the saw palmetto extract you may want to try drinking spearmint tea to reduce testosterone.  5g dry spearmint per cup, twice a day.
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