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The Comprehensive NBE Program
#81
Great advice! I’ve learned several excellent stuff here.
Estrogen is very important hormone that increases breast size. We all have enough "Estrogen" in our bodies to make our breasts grow 10 cup sizes if we wanted. There are many gimmicks on the market that claim to increase a woman’s bust size. However, many of these same products (NBE Pills) cause you to gain weight and retain water. While bigger breasts may be your ultimate goal, it’s unlikely that gaining a few pounds is in the plan.
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#82
It's not a common thing so I think I'll put a link to an all-out/drastic program here rather than in sig: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.ph...#pid199406
Long term I think the basic program link can still grow several cup sizes without all the other stuff in the going all-out program.  It's not really necessary to be in such a hurry.
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#83
Hi Surferjoe,

I’m going to try your program and will be using PM since I’m top heavy. I’ll also be using shatvari extract as well. I’ll be using everything else you mentioned. I’m wondering if I can take white peony extract and if that will conflict with anything because I want to get rid of excessive body hair and lower testorone. Thanks
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#84
(02-05-2018, 07:12 PM)VitalityQueen Wrote: Hi Surferjoe,

I’m going to try your program and will be using PM since I’m top heavy. I’ll also be using shatvari extract as well. I’ll be using everything else you mentioned. I’m wondering if I can take white peony extract and if that will conflict with anything because I want to get rid of excessive body hair and lower testorone. Thanks


White peony shouldn't conflict with anything.  IIRC it is similar to spearmint and wouldn't conflict with it but it might be redundant with it if you used both.  I'm not sure.
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#85
I thought I'd clean up and organize my simple program a bit better.

Option 1, Easy but Minor Growth (1-3 cup sizes, often 1-2):
For this option you should be starting as at least a B cup-ish before any NBE (possibly more or less by height & weight).  

Herbs:
  • 600 mg 50% saponin shatavari extract
  • 320 mg saw palmetto extract
  • 1 tbsp. ground flax seeds (nice in a smoothie, with honey, as a topping, etc.)
  • 1 capsule vitex (around 300-700 mg)
  • Optional: a scoop of collagen powder.  A capsule is too small.
  • Optional: You may add in a little massage with flax oil since it's good for you, but beyond that I suggest Option 2.
  • Optional: 3g maca for the butt.
Option 2, Major Growth, or Growth starting Smaller than B Cup (Around 4-8 cup sizes)

If you are starting smaller, use the foods below for up to 6 months before beginning.  You may try herbs after as little as 2 months, but you might be wasting the herbs and should not increase beyond a low amount until you start to grow.  If you are starting with at least a B cup, you may use both the herbs and the foods below right away.  Continue both indefinitely.

Herbs:
Increase each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount.  If less growth is desired, stop the PM and PC at a lower amount.
  • 50% saponin shatavari extract:  600 mg increased to 1,800-2,400 mg.
  • Saw palmetto extract: 320 mg.
  • Pueraria mirifica: Follicular, 100 mg increased to 750-1,000 mg.  Luteal, 100 mg.
  • Progesterone cream: Follicular, 1/8 tsp.  Luteal: 1/4 tsp increased to 3/4-1 tsp.
  • Massage at least 3-4 times a week with flax oil, for 10-15 minutes.
  • Optional: 3-10g maca (about 1-3 tsp) for the butt.  Also optional weighted squats with 5g creatine.
Going all out (all optional):
  • Do the above for at least 1 cycle first, if not longer.
  • You may add 5 mg mk-677, increased to 10-20 mg.  Read a few forums to find a good source and other information before using mk-677.  Another much more expensive option instead of mk-677 is Antler Farms deer velvet, 1/4 tablet increased to 1 tablet.
  • You may massage up to twice a day and pump too if you're in a hurry.  But keep in mind, like everything else, long term it won't make a difference unless you continue it for life."Long term" is after 1-2 years, so it will still be nice for a while.
  • Fish oil, or 75% fish oil and 25% flax oil is superior to flax oil for massage but smelly.  You may also mix in 0.5% 95%/T95 mixed tocopherol vitamin E oil too.  Or mix in 1% for the  50%/T50 oil.
  • You may use both saw palmetto and mint (see substitutions section for amount).  Or reishi in place of saw palmetto and/or white peony in place of mint.
Foods for Body Enhancement

Why

Foods contain a much wider range of nutrients than you can find in any supplement.  Many hair, skin, nail, vein, acne, weight loss, mood, HGH, energy, youth, etc., etc. supplements contain just part of the nutrients below.  By getting these nutrients from whole food you get both a more complete and effective solution, and you tackle all of these issues at the same time.  Additionally these nutrients are tools and fuel to enable your body perform better, whether for a workout or to better respond to herbs.

Many people think they eat healthy but actually aren't getting all the nutrition they need.  Those on a high protein diet in particular may think that it is healthy but they are often starving themselves not only for calories but also several nutrients.  You can verify that the items in the recipe below cover your nutrient requirements by checking the USDA nutrient database.  Also provided in these foods but not included on the USDA site are many other important nutrients such as antioxidants, beta/etc. tocopherols, and so on.  That's why a multi-vitamin is lacking several items you need.


Recipe

1/4 cup pumpkin seeds
1/4 cup sunflower seeds
1/4 cup almonds
6,000 mg fish oil, or 2lbs. salmon per week, or more of other seafood
3,000 mg lecithin, or a half dozen whole eggs (including yolk) per week
2,000 iu vitamin D, or a slight sun tan
4 tsp rice bran
1/2 an orange, or more of other fresh raw produce
A pinch or so of kelp each week on food (get a shaker for a 6-24 month supply)

Soak the 3 seeds for at least 4 hours, or overnight.  Rinse and snack on.  Take or eat remaining items, with liquid if needed.  These are heavy and fibrous foods.  When first starting use much less, such as 1/4 as much, until your stomach is accustomed to them.  Otherwise you could get digestive issues.

Try it out for at least 2 months, sometimes 6 months, before you expect to see results.  It takes a couple months to replenish your body's stores of these nutrients so that they start working, and if you need them to build something such as your breasts or butt then that could take additional time.


Herb Substitutions
  • Shatavari: An equal amount of 50% saponin fenugreek extract may be used in place of shatavari.  You may use a 4:1 wild yam or goat's rue extract, but it may take 5 times as much wild yam and up to 10 times as much goat's rue.  If using goat's rue extract it should not go beyond 6,000 mg 4:1 extract.  Beyond that you should use a different herb instead.  If you find a 10:1 extract, it would require about 3 times as much wild yam or 6 times as much goat's rue, and you should not go beyond the 3600 mg 10:1 goat's rue extract.
  • Saw palmetto extract: You may replace with 2-10g dry mint, 30g fresh mint (it's super easy to grow), reishi or white peony.  I don't know how much reishi or white peony.
  • Flax seeds: 100 mg PM, 1,200 mg hops, soy isoflavones (typically a capsule or two).
  • Vitex: 1/16-1/8 tsp progesterone cream.
  • PM, PC: 250 mg Bovine ovary may replace about 100 mg PM and 1/8 tsp PC.  More might replace more, but many women have difficulty tolerating this.  See also substitutions for flax seeds and vitex (including 1 tbsp. flax seeds and 1 capsule vitex).
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#86
Joe! I always love reading your threads cause I learn so much! But I have a question, why do you think kelp is something that is relevant for NBE? I mean isn't it just for body temperature?
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#87
(05-06-2018, 08:45 PM)sweetorange Wrote: Joe! I always love reading your threads cause I learn so much! But I have a question, why do you think kelp is something that is relevant for NBE? I mean isn't it just for body temperature?


All of those food items are for all of the requirements of the body in general and not only NBE.  Hence why they're also good for so many other things.

But as it so happens you need kelp for iodine because it's inside every molecule of thyroid hormone.  The thyroid hormones regulate metabolism for the entire body.  That includes both growth and development and energy production for the entire body.
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#88
(04-06-2018, 06:46 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: I thought I'd clean up and organize my simple program a bit better.

Option 1, Easy but Minor Growth (1-3 cup sizes, often 1-2):
For this option you should be starting as at least a B cup-ish before any NBE (possibly more or less by height & weight).  

Herbs:
  • 600 mg 50% saponin shatavari extract
  • 320 mg saw palmetto extract
  • 1 tbsp. ground flax seeds (nice in a smoothie, with honey, as a topping, etc.)
  • 1 capsule vitex (around 300-700 mg)
  • Optional: a scoop of collagen powder.  A capsule is too small.
  • Optional: You may add in a little massage with flax oil since it's good for you, but beyond that I suggest Option 2.
  • Optional: 3g maca for the butt.
Option 2, Major Growth, or Growth starting Smaller than B Cup (Around 4-8 cup sizes)

If you are starting smaller, use the foods below for up to 6 months before beginning.  You may try herbs after as little as 2 months, but you might be wasting the herbs and should not increase beyond a low amount until you start to grow.  If you are starting with at least a B cup, you may use both the herbs and the foods below right away.  Continue both indefinitely.

Herbs:
Increase each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount.  If less growth is desired, stop the PM and PC at a lower amount.
  • 50% saponin shatavari extract:  600 mg increased to 1,800-2,400 mg.
  • Saw palmetto extract: 320 mg.
  • Pueraria mirifica: Follicular, 100 mg increased to 750-1,000 mg.  Luteal, 100 mg.
  • Progesterone cream: Follicular, 1/8 tsp.  Luteal: 1/4 tsp increased to 3/4-1 tsp.
  • Massage at least 3-4 times a week with flax oil, for 10-15 minutes.
  • Optional: 3-10g maca (about 1-3 tsp) for the butt.  Also optional weighted squats with 5g creatine.
Going all out (all optional):
  • Do the above for at least 1 cycle first, if not longer.
  • You may add 5 mg mk-677, increased to 10-20 mg.  Read a few forums to find a good source and other information before using mk-677.  Another much more expensive option instead of mk-677 is Antler Farms deer velvet, 1/4 tablet increased to 1 tablet.
  • You may massage up to twice a day and pump too if you're in a hurry.  But keep in mind, like everything else, long term it won't make a difference unless you continue it for life."Long term" is after 1-2 years, so it will still be nice for a while.
  • Fish oil, or 75% fish oil and 25% flax oil is superior to flax oil for massage but smelly.  You may also mix in 0.5% 95%/T95 mixed tocopherol vitamin E oil too.  Or mix in 1% for the  50%/T50 oil.
  • You may use both saw palmetto and mint (see substitutions section for amount).  Or reishi in place of saw palmetto and/or white peony in place of mint.
Foods for Body Enhancement

Why

Foods contain a much wider range of nutrients than you can find in any supplement.  Many hair, skin, nail, vein, acne, weight loss, mood, HGH, energy, youth, etc., etc. supplements contain just part of the nutrients below.  By getting these nutrients from whole food you get both a more complete and effective solution, and you tackle all of these issues at the same time.  Additionally these nutrients are tools and fuel to enable your body perform better, whether for a workout or to better respond to herbs.

Many people think they eat healthy but actually aren't getting all the nutrition they need.  Those on a high protein diet in particular may think that it is healthy but they are often starving themselves not only for calories but also several nutrients.  You can verify that the items in the recipe below cover your nutrient requirements by checking the USDA nutrient database.  Also provided in these foods but not included on the USDA site are many other important nutrients such as antioxidants, beta/etc. tocopherols, and so on.  That's why a multi-vitamin is lacking several items you need.


Recipe

1/4 cup pumpkin seeds
1/4 cup sunflower seeds
1/4 cup almonds
6,000 mg fish oil, or 2lbs. salmon per week, or more of other seafood
3,000 mg lecithin, or a half dozen whole eggs (including yolk) per week
2,000 iu vitamin D, or a slight sun tan
4 tsp rice bran
1/2 an orange, or more of other fresh raw produce
A pinch or so of kelp each week on food (get a shaker for a 6-24 month supply)

Soak the 3 seeds for at least 4 hours, or overnight.  Rinse and snack on.  Take or eat remaining items, with liquid if needed.  These are heavy and fibrous foods.  When first starting use much less, such as 1/4 as much, until your stomach is accustomed to them.  Otherwise you could get digestive issues.

Try it out for at least 2 months, sometimes 6 months, before you expect to see results.  It takes a couple months to replenish your body's stores of these nutrients so that they start working, and if you need them to build something such as your breasts or butt then that could take additional time.


Herb Substitutions
  • Shatavari: An equal amount of 50% saponin fenugreek extract may be used in place of shatavari.  You may use a 4:1 wild yam or goat's rue extract, but it may take 5 times as much wild yam and up to 10 times as much goat's rue.  If using goat's rue extract it should not go beyond 6,000 mg 4:1 extract.  Beyond that you should use a different herb instead.  If you find a 10:1 extract, it would require about 3 times as much wild yam or 6 times as much goat's rue, and you should not go beyond the 3600 mg 10:1 goat's rue extract.
  • Saw palmetto extract: You may replace with 2-10g dry mint, 30g fresh mint (it's super easy to grow), reishi or white peony.  I don't know how much reishi or white peony.
  • Flax seeds: 100 mg PM, 1,200 mg hops, soy isoflavones (typically a capsule or two).
  • Vitex: 1/16-1/8 tsp progesterone cream.
  • PM, PC: 250 mg Bovine ovary may replace about 100 mg PM and 1/8 tsp PC.  More might replace more, but many women have difficulty tolerating this.  See also substitutions for flax seeds and vitex (including 1 tbsp. flax seeds and 1 capsule vitex).


Jo, is your option one shavatari, vitex and sp all cycle? I see it as raising E, balancing P and suppressing T right?
I feel ive finally had a drop in estrogen based on my cycles, see no harm with vitex at all. Was thinking spearmint tea in place of SP?
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#89
(Yesterday, 06:47 AM)EllaC Wrote:
(04-06-2018, 06:46 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: I thought I'd clean up and organize my simple program a bit better.

Option 1, Easy but Minor Growth (1-3 cup sizes, often 1-2):
For this option you should be starting as at least a B cup-ish before any NBE (possibly more or less by height & weight).  

Herbs:
  • 600 mg 50% saponin shatavari extract
  • 320 mg saw palmetto extract
  • 1 tbsp. ground flax seeds (nice in a smoothie, with honey, as a topping, etc.)
  • 1 capsule vitex (around 300-700 mg)
  • Optional: a scoop of collagen powder.  A capsule is too small.
  • Optional: You may add in a little massage with flax oil since it's good for you, but beyond that I suggest Option 2.
  • Optional: 3g maca for the butt.
Option 2, Major Growth, or Growth starting Smaller than B Cup (Around 4-8 cup sizes)

If you are starting smaller, use the foods below for up to 6 months before beginning.  You may try herbs after as little as 2 months, but you might be wasting the herbs and should not increase beyond a low amount until you start to grow.  If you are starting with at least a B cup, you may use both the herbs and the foods below right away.  Continue both indefinitely.

Herbs:
Increase each cycle, allowing 2-4 cycles before the max amount.  If less growth is desired, stop the PM and PC at a lower amount.
  • 50% saponin shatavari extract:  600 mg increased to 1,800-2,400 mg.
  • Saw palmetto extract: 320 mg.
  • Pueraria mirifica: Follicular, 100 mg increased to 750-1,000 mg.  Luteal, 100 mg.
  • Progesterone cream: Follicular, 1/8 tsp.  Luteal: 1/4 tsp increased to 3/4-1 tsp.
  • Massage at least 3-4 times a week with flax oil, for 10-15 minutes.
  • Optional: 3-10g maca (about 1-3 tsp) for the butt.  Also optional weighted squats with 5g creatine.
Going all out (all optional):
  • Do the above for at least 1 cycle first, if not longer.
  • You may add 5 mg mk-677, increased to 10-20 mg.  Read a few forums to find a good source and other information before using mk-677.  Another much more expensive option instead of mk-677 is Antler Farms deer velvet, 1/4 tablet increased to 1 tablet.
  • You may massage up to twice a day and pump too if you're in a hurry.  But keep in mind, like everything else, long term it won't make a difference unless you continue it for life."Long term" is after 1-2 years, so it will still be nice for a while.
  • Fish oil, or 75% fish oil and 25% flax oil is superior to flax oil for massage but smelly.  You may also mix in 0.5% 95%/T95 mixed tocopherol vitamin E oil too.  Or mix in 1% for the  50%/T50 oil.
  • You may use both saw palmetto and mint (see substitutions section for amount).  Or reishi in place of saw palmetto and/or white peony in place of mint.
Foods for Body Enhancement

Why

Foods contain a much wider range of nutrients than you can find in any supplement.  Many hair, skin, nail, vein, acne, weight loss, mood, HGH, energy, youth, etc., etc. supplements contain just part of the nutrients below.  By getting these nutrients from whole food you get both a more complete and effective solution, and you tackle all of these issues at the same time.  Additionally these nutrients are tools and fuel to enable your body perform better, whether for a workout or to better respond to herbs.

Many people think they eat healthy but actually aren't getting all the nutrition they need.  Those on a high protein diet in particular may think that it is healthy but they are often starving themselves not only for calories but also several nutrients.  You can verify that the items in the recipe below cover your nutrient requirements by checking the USDA nutrient database.  Also provided in these foods but not included on the USDA site are many other important nutrients such as antioxidants, beta/etc. tocopherols, and so on.  That's why a multi-vitamin is lacking several items you need.


Recipe

1/4 cup pumpkin seeds
1/4 cup sunflower seeds
1/4 cup almonds
6,000 mg fish oil, or 2lbs. salmon per week, or more of other seafood
3,000 mg lecithin, or a half dozen whole eggs (including yolk) per week
2,000 iu vitamin D, or a slight sun tan
4 tsp rice bran
1/2 an orange, or more of other fresh raw produce
A pinch or so of kelp each week on food (get a shaker for a 6-24 month supply)

Soak the 3 seeds for at least 4 hours, or overnight.  Rinse and snack on.  Take or eat remaining items, with liquid if needed.  These are heavy and fibrous foods.  When first starting use much less, such as 1/4 as much, until your stomach is accustomed to them.  Otherwise you could get digestive issues.

Try it out for at least 2 months, sometimes 6 months, before you expect to see results.  It takes a couple months to replenish your body's stores of these nutrients so that they start working, and if you need them to build something such as your breasts or butt then that could take additional time.


Herb Substitutions
  • Shatavari: An equal amount of 50% saponin fenugreek extract may be used in place of shatavari.  You may use a 4:1 wild yam or goat's rue extract, but it may take 5 times as much wild yam and up to 10 times as much goat's rue.  If using goat's rue extract it should not go beyond 6,000 mg 4:1 extract.  Beyond that you should use a different herb instead.  If you find a 10:1 extract, it would require about 3 times as much wild yam or 6 times as much goat's rue, and you should not go beyond the 3600 mg 10:1 goat's rue extract.
  • Saw palmetto extract: You may replace with 2-10g dry mint, 30g fresh mint (it's super easy to grow), reishi or white peony.  I don't know how much reishi or white peony.
  • Flax seeds: 100 mg PM, 1,200 mg hops, soy isoflavones (typically a capsule or two).
  • Vitex: 1/16-1/8 tsp progesterone cream.
  • PM, PC: 250 mg Bovine ovary may replace about 100 mg PM and 1/8 tsp PC.  More might replace more, but many women have difficulty tolerating this.  See also substitutions for flax seeds and vitex (including 1 tbsp. flax seeds and 1 capsule vitex).


Jo, is your option one shavatari, vitex and sp all cycle? I see it as raising E, balancing P and suppressing T right?
I feel ive finally had a drop in estrogen based on my cycles, see no harm with vitex at all. Was thinking spearmint tea in place of SP?

Yes except it’s a broad balanced effect, raising P a little and supressing T.  The balanced effect from shatavari is similar to fenugreek and likewise includes insulin.  If you’ve had trouble with fenugreek you should avoid shatavari too.  And if you’ve had any trouble with any herbs or any hormonal/metabolic/developmental/neurotransmitter/etc trouble you should use the food mix before herbs, just like someone who was A cup before NBE.

Anti-T’s are usually pretty safe though, as is vitex.  Yes you could use spearmint.  The shatavari and maybe the flax seeds may require caution until after 6ish months on the foods.
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