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The Breast Growth Hormones, including IGF, HGF and how macromastia happens
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(24-12-2016, 12:58 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Very nice, thanks for the update.  Though it's expensive you may want to try the IGF I linked too.  Most of the others are supposedly very weak.  Even for this one bodybuilders usually use the highest concentration just to get a little boost.  And since it can boost testosterone the anti-androgens are even more important with it.

My butylene glycol, DMSO, IGF and a couple other things arrived.  The couple other things are to mix with butylene glycol/DMSO and try on myself to test the carriers.  I still need to mix them up.  Holidays have been crazy.


I studied up on DMSO quite a bit and first tested the DMSO and DV on myself to test for adverse reactions.  Not sure if  it will be used in the future for her breasts, but it's interesting none the less.  The straight (and expensive!) IGF does sound a lot more potent.

I measured her bust at 42 1/8" today.  Hope it stays!
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(24-12-2016, 08:39 PM)peekaboobs Wrote:
(24-12-2016, 12:58 PM)surferjoe2007 Wrote: Very nice, thanks for the update.  Though it's expensive you may want to try the IGF I linked too.  Most of the others are supposedly very weak.  Even for this one bodybuilders usually use the highest concentration just to get a little boost.  And since it can boost testosterone the anti-androgens are even more important with it.

My butylene glycol, DMSO, IGF and a couple other things arrived.  The couple other things are to mix with butylene glycol/DMSO and try on myself to test the carriers.  I still need to mix them up.  Holidays have been crazy.


I studied up on DMSO quite a bit and first tested the DMSO and DV on myself to test for adverse reactions.  Not sure if  it will be used in the future for her breasts, but it's interesting none the less.  The straight (and expensive!) IGF does sound a lot more potent.

I measured her bust at 42 1/8" today.  Hope it stays!


Sorry I should have said deer antler velvet.  It's merely a good extract and not so dilute.  Even though it's not a controlled substance and not well monitored (it's pretty easy to get), pure IGF is sold only for research purposes.  But on the plus side with deer antler it's unlikely that you'll overdose on IGF unlike pure IGF.

DMSO is very safe and non-toxic as long as you're clean about it and let it fully dry before the skin touches anything.  It's the possibility of it letting other nearby contaminants into the body that makes it scary.

I tried both butylene glycol and DMSO today but I couldn't notice any immediate effect with either one.  I may have to try butylene glycol for multiple days with deer antler to see if it works as a topical method.

Nice progress.
Straight male into nutrition and herbs.

A good NBE program: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23076
IGF and NBE: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=27347
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#23
Found this: 100 mg DHEA raises IGF-1 30% in women with low DHEA but it also raises testosterone:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9876338

DHEA could be good in combination with anti-testosterone herbs.
Straight male into nutrition and herbs.

A good NBE program: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23076
IGF and NBE: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=27347
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#24
Nice thread surferjoe!

Looking myself how to increase this too, so I appreciate this thread. Will look into the DHEA soon! Big Grin
It is IGF-1 we are talking about here, there are different kinds of IGF's.

Deer velvet value's of IGF-1 are rather low 
It also depends on the quality of course, top section has the most, followed by the middle section, and the bottom of the deer velvet contains the least amount.
At the very best, when you get the top part, you can get about 52.91 ng/g according to this study page 41 
https://yosan.edu/wp-content/uploads/201...a-Ilic.pdf

Nanogram (ng) is very little!
The conclusion of the study is also that deer velvet does not seem to be a risk for an increase in the possibility of developing cancer.

I looked at other things that contain IGF-1
And saw that Colostrum (first milk from cow that is for the baby cow), contains lots of IGF-1

If I read this one right, colostrum extract contains about 2.5 to 5 ug/mg (microgram per milligram). 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1148968/

The amount of deer velvet to ug/mg would be: 0.00005291 ug/mg

That is just a lot less :p

I do think that maybe you could buy higher concentrations of deer velvet say 100.000, but you would be paying $200 for even less IGF-1 than in colostrum

So I think I might want to add
Bovine colostrum extract to my nipples and alternate with the BO on my nipples with a silicone nipple cover.
After removing the keratin plug (with a quick swipe of alcohol 70%), nipple uptake seems to very high (at least for estradiol), and continues to uptake in high concentrations 48 hours after substance was removed.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article...ne.0115712


I think applying it locally might save some money and decreases your chances of getting negative side effects in the rest of your body of an increase of IGF-1.
I do suggest not using this longer than one year to minimise breast cancer risk.
Also I would not use it if you have the breast cancer gene, or have genetically related relatives who have had breast cancer in the past.
Nor when you are pregnant or breastfeeding.

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#25
52.91 ng/g was the whole antler, not the more concentrated extract.

The extract I linked to is a 43:1 tip extract (if you get the 1100) but only 36.7 mg extract per dose.   So 80 ng, i.e. 0.08 mcg.

Pro bodybuilders use 40 mcg, which is too much for common use and will get them banned from sports.  Deer velvet won't.  They also use it every other day, so actually 20 mcg per day.    And they use 10-20mcg per 2 days if avoiding side effects.  These dosages also might carry unknown long term risks that we haven't learned about yet too.  Though as far as drugs go IGF seems to be pretty tame.  Probably why it isn't a scheduled drug like steroids.  Also that's the amount for athletes to build a lot of muscle and testosterone.  Not NBE.

Yeah 80 ng is not a lot.  I was surprised that they put only 36.7 mg extract in 2 mL (2 gramsl liquid).  Maybe I need to keep looking.  OTOH some bodybuilder got mild results, so I'm confused.  Maybe it was because the extract also has tribilus in it.  I found some other IGF supplements that also had around 0.08 mcg or 0.03 mcg.

Where can you find that specific colostrum extract used in the study?  I found colostrum but not colostrum extract.  The one in the study used highly toxic acids and a centrifuge followed by multiple chemical processes to extract, which I don't think you'll find in a supplement.  In fact it seems like they extracted pure IGF-1 molecules similar to synthetic IGF-1 and probably just as illegal.  Also IGF-1 is not absorbed through the skin.  You have to inject or put under the tongue.  

I found this deer velvet extract that claims 0.4 mcg per serving and has 60 servings:
http://www.antlerfarms.co/Deer-Antler-Sp...aQoddesMjQ
http://www.antlerfarms.co/Deer-Antler-Sp...aQod0YUBZA
That's at least a more reasonable amount.  Assuming 5-10 mcg per day is a bit extreme for casual use or NBE, 0.4 mcg may not be that low.

Got a good review here for joint pain, post 11/13: http://forum.muscleandstrength.com/threa...ong-Living
Person used 3 doses per day though (1.2 mcg IGF-1) and it took 1 month.
Tthough he put his parents on 1 dose a day for general health because they aren't athletes.

I'm going to order some, try 3 doses a day for male stuff and report back.
Straight male into nutrition and herbs.

A good NBE program: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=23076
IGF and NBE: http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=27347
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