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The Breast Growth Hormones, including IGF, HGF and how macromastia happens

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(27-06-2017, 06:18 AM)surferjoe2007 Wrote:  My "Review" of Antler Farms Deer Velvet
So I've tried antler farms deer antler velvet for about 3 weeks now.  Unfortunately I changed up a couple other things at the same time so it's hard to say what the cause was but I have way more energy, more restful sleep and better libido.  Supposedly IGF is supposed to increase muscle, decrease fat and improve recovery.  All only a little bit.  It's also supposed to help heal joints and improve sleep.  I don't have consistent enough workouts to measure small changes in my workout gains though.  My recoveries have been quicker than normal, but for all I know maybe I wasn't as sore as normal.  My weight stayed the same but I seem thinner.  I could have gained muscle weight at the same time.  I should have measured my waist instead of using a scale.

Others' Reviews
So I thought I should look for people with more regimented workouts and check their reviews.  I found a couple videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRkkyAFBBjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbKkjEeMeDg
Though I think both received a discount for their review.
And in a blog (ctrl+F antler farms): http://tim.blog/2012/05/23/10-uncommon-superfoods-from-the-world-of-ultra-endurance/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20timferriss%20(The%20Blog%20of%20Author%20Tim%20Ferriss)
review of the weaker pure solutions stuff post #16: https://thinksteroids.com/community/thre...134302210/
Checked the wikipedia articles and if you read the references it looks like some Russian studies showed great promise for deer velvet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_antler
Google will probably yield some more comments, but it's hard to find real reviews among all the mockery of the miniscule dose stuff (with almost no IGF) and sports player overhype (how do you even abuse something so weak?).

In many bodybuilding forums most people were using way more serious stuff like steroids.  In fact for them even IGF-1 injections were too tame, so a low dose IGF-1 for the possibility of a few pounds of muscle often seemed like a joke to them.  That's part of what made info hard to find.

More Theory
I was mistaken about IGF-1 increasing testosterone as multiple sources say it doesn't.  I was probably reading about progestin increasing both testosterone and IGF-1, not IGF-1 increasing testosterone.  So there shouldn't be major worries about needing more anti-androgen.

Also in an attempt to gauge how effective it might be I was looking at some more studies and other information.  It does seem to be a major hormone in articles on breast growth.  Including the general wikipedia article on the topic, and various biology sources.  One primate study basically showed the equivalent of 8 cup sizes gain from IGF-1 alone.  And in theory it should do much better when combined with estrogen/phytoestrogen.  I didn't get the dose on that IGF-1 study but if it was like other studies then they probably maxed it out.  Even so the tiny amount of IGF-1 in deer antler velvet might be enough for a half a cup size or maybe a cup, with many other health benefits rather than the hormonal problems that often come from phytoestrogens and progesterone.  And/or it could be combined with a smaller amount of phytoestrogens.  And besides IGF-1, Antler Farms claims to keep intact the many other growth factors such as IGF-2 and so on.  These may increase the effect a small amount.

Conclusion
So... I think Antler Farms deer velvet is probably a good idea to try for NBE, but I can't say for sure.  Perhaps someone would like to add it to their NBE program and let everyone know how it goes.  It is really expensive.  But it could be good for those who are at the limit of a mild herbal program and don't want to use more for fear of weight gain and/or hormonal issues.  And others with low IGF-1 might have trouble growing without it.  Though for them they might also look into good nutrition, DHEA, etc.


Wanted to reply on this..by taking Amino Acids we can up our IGF too right? I'm not too sure on this but I know amino acids raise HGH by stimulating that gland in the brain(forgot the English name)...IGF is part of human growth hormones or am I wrong?
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The Breast Growth Hormones, including IGF, HGF and how macromastia happens - by surferjoe2007 - 01-12-2016, 04:42 AM
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