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#21
(08-08-2017, 03:24 PM)MissEllen Wrote: [quote pid='197380' dateline='1500062412']
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I have to say that applying the mixture 3 times a day (+/- 8 hours interval) and using the alcohol too with it, eventually gave me the best results.
They are even now.
Also, I think applying the nipple sticker while still wet worked the best eventually. I know I wrote to let it dry before. But after some experimenting, I think that really worked better in terms of absoption and faster growth.
...


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Hi Ellen,

I'm very new to this forum and after I read about your BO experience I want to try it too. It was already very helpful and an inspiration to read your thread and posts and you know a lot of tips and tricks I never heard before. And now I have some questions - I hope you don't mind because I probably missed something you might have already wrote ...

- Have you used the BO cream and the nipple covers nonstop? 24/7? Or did you pause some hours to let air getting to the skin?
- Will Wodka work for the important swipe too? 40 % alcohol?
- Heat on the breast - shall it be warm like just above body temp or higher?

Thank you very much for your help,
Barbara
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#22
(09-09-2017, 05:08 AM)MomoG Wrote:
(08-08-2017, 03:51 PM)MissEllen Wrote: So I am still in the middle of my vacation. But just a little update:

My breasts are pretty darn symmetrical, and I evolved from a 70E cup, to a big 70F cup now. I am already ordering 70G cup bra's.

I increased my dosage a while ago, now I take:
- 08:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 16:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 23:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson

So 1500 mg a day in total

I stopped my diy nipple cream because they are symmetrical now.

I have tried out other things I want to share:

- DSMO: because  this stuff is a really good carrier into the skin, I thought it would be amazing to add to the nipple gel. Well to my surprise: it made my breasts smaller! I tried it for 3 days, everyday they got smaller and I quit.
I used only about 5% in the mixture.
I read that it has anti estrogenic propperties, so thats a no no for me. I would like to warn other to keep an eye on this. We don't want schrinking lol

- Cinnamon!
Oh my, last week I have been eating this stuff like crazy.
I still don't have a full conclusion/opinion on it yet. Because I usually do positive/negative tests whenever I try something new.
But basically, certain Cinnamon species can act like IGF-1, and phosphorelate the IGF-1 receptor. IGF-1 normally phosphorelates the receptor, but cinnamon can apparently also do this.
It is amazing..
Estrogen and IGF-1 are your best NBE friends, but this way you bypass IGF-1 sort of

You want to have the Ceylon Cinnamon, read here for the names: http://www.trueceylonspices.com/ceylon-cinnamon/

Paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22233457/

So basically it helps with NBE, and makes your skin amazing (no saggy boobs ;Wink

I take 6 grams a day now, I put it in my water and drink it throughout the day.



- Casein powder
I wrote about this before, and tested it for you, when I stopped and started it again. I have to conclude: casein protein powder makes my breasts grow when I take it right before I go to sleep (25 grams)
There is no denying that one, if you want to buy something extra, put your money on this. It is very cheap for the amount of protein you get too.

Well this is my short update Smile
Hope it helps anyone!

Would anyone also be wanting to try out the cinnamon with me? It is super cheap, and have not come accross anything online yet for this purpose.

Much love, Ellen


Just saw this post! Would like to try cinnamon with you <3 Are the regular ones from the supermarket the same?


Hi Ellen~ just wanted to share that I managed to get some good Ceylon Cinnamon off Iherb! They smell and taste amazzinggg. I dont take it in my water though! I usually just sprinkle ALLOOTTT all over my muesli. 
Just thought I'd share this with you!
Hope you've been doing well
Take care and boobie luck to you!

xxxxxxxxx
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#23
(15-05-2017, 06:06 AM)MissEllen Wrote: Got 30 ml of Aloe Vera (from aliexpress in cute little alluminium boxes for €1.28 incl shipping) and added 4 ovarian glandular capsules to it. Then stirred a bit.


Hi Ellen Smile when you apply the nipple cream and it's absorbed, do you also get a white powdery/grainy residue afterwards?
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#24
(09-09-2017, 05:08 AM)MomoG Wrote:
(08-08-2017, 03:51 PM)MissEllen Wrote: So I am still in the middle of my vacation. But just a little update:

My breasts are pretty darn symmetrical, and I evolved from a 70E cup, to a big 70F cup now. I am already ordering 70G cup bra's.

I increased my dosage a while ago, now I take:
- 08:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 16:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 23:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson

So 1500 mg a day in total

I stopped my diy nipple cream because they are symmetrical now.

I have tried out other things I want to share:

- DSMO: because  this stuff is a really good carrier into the skin, I thought it would be amazing to add to the nipple gel. Well to my surprise: it made my breasts smaller! I tried it for 3 days, everyday they got smaller and I quit.
I used only about 5% in the mixture.
I read that it has anti estrogenic propperties, so thats a no no for me. I would like to warn other to keep an eye on this. We don't want schrinking lol

- Cinnamon!
Oh my, last week I have been eating this stuff like crazy.
I still don't have a full conclusion/opinion on it yet. Because I usually do positive/negative tests whenever I try something new.
But basically, certain Cinnamon species can act like IGF-1, and phosphorelate the IGF-1 receptor. IGF-1 normally phosphorelates the receptor, but cinnamon can apparently also do this.
It is amazing..
Estrogen and IGF-1 are your best NBE friends, but this way you bypass IGF-1 sort of

You want to have the Ceylon Cinnamon, read here for the names: http://www.trueceylonspices.com/ceylon-cinnamon/

Paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22233457/

So basically it helps with NBE, and makes your skin amazing (no saggy boobs ;Wink

I take 6 grams a day now, I put it in my water and drink it throughout the day.



- Casein powder
I wrote about this before, and tested it for you, when I stopped and started it again. I have to conclude: casein protein powder makes my breasts grow when I take it right before I go to sleep (25 grams)
There is no denying that one, if you want to buy something extra, put your money on this. It is very cheap for the amount of protein you get too.

Well this is my short update Smile
Hope it helps anyone!

Would anyone also be wanting to try out the cinnamon with me? It is super cheap, and have not come accross anything online yet for this purpose.

Much love, Ellen


Just saw this post! Would like to try cinnamon with you <3 Are the regular ones from the supermarket the same?


Look up the exact species name Smile
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#25
(28-09-2017, 11:30 AM)Barbarina Wrote:
(08-08-2017, 03:24 PM)MissEllen Wrote: [quote pid='197380' dateline='1500062412']
...
I have to say that applying the mixture 3 times a day (+/- 8 hours interval) and using the alcohol too with it, eventually gave me the best results.
They are even now.
Also, I think applying the nipple sticker while still wet worked the best eventually. I know I wrote to let it dry before. But after some experimenting, I think that really worked better in terms of absoption and faster growth.
...


Hi Ellen,

I'm very new to this forum and after I read about your BO experience I want to try it too. It was already very helpful and an inspiration to read your thread and posts and you know a lot of tips and tricks I never heard before. And now I have some questions - I hope you don't mind because I probably missed something you might have already wrote ...

- Have you used the BO cream and the nipple covers nonstop? 24/7? Or did you pause some hours to let air getting to the skin?
- Will Wodka work for the important swipe too? 40 % alcohol?
- Heat on the breast - shall it be warm like just above body temp or higher?

Thank you very much for your help,
Barbara
[/quote]

Hey Barbara!
- I used the nipple covers 24/7, only in the shower they came off Smile
The covers are good because they make sure it doesn’t dry out and you get more absorbed. Same principle with nicotine patches.

- I don’t know Smile
I think so? Try it! Hihi

- never go too warm, a little warmer is always better than too freaking burning hot. Proteins denaturate at too high temperature too hehe
But don’t think you’d be going that hot. Just be comfortable, it is about increasing circulation, not being a bbq

Love
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#26
(02-11-2017, 02:04 PM)MomoG Wrote:
(09-09-2017, 05:08 AM)MomoG Wrote:
(08-08-2017, 03:51 PM)MissEllen Wrote: So I am still in the middle of my vacation. But just a little update:

My breasts are pretty darn symmetrical, and I evolved from a 70E cup, to a big 70F cup now. I am already ordering 70G cup bra's.

I increased my dosage a while ago, now I take:
- 08:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 16:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson
- 23:00= 2x 250 mg Raw ovarian Glandular by Swanson

So 1500 mg a day in total

I stopped my diy nipple cream because they are symmetrical now.

I have tried out other things I want to share:

- DSMO: because  this stuff is a really good carrier into the skin, I thought it would be amazing to add to the nipple gel. Well to my surprise: it made my breasts smaller! I tried it for 3 days, everyday they got smaller and I quit.
I used only about 5% in the mixture.
I read that it has anti estrogenic propperties, so thats a no no for me. I would like to warn other to keep an eye on this. We don't want schrinking lol

- Cinnamon!
Oh my, last week I have been eating this stuff like crazy.
I still don't have a full conclusion/opinion on it yet. Because I usually do positive/negative tests whenever I try something new.
But basically, certain Cinnamon species can act like IGF-1, and phosphorelate the IGF-1 receptor. IGF-1 normally phosphorelates the receptor, but cinnamon can apparently also do this.
It is amazing..
Estrogen and IGF-1 are your best NBE friends, but this way you bypass IGF-1 sort of

You want to have the Ceylon Cinnamon, read here for the names: http://www.trueceylonspices.com/ceylon-cinnamon/

Paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22233457/

So basically it helps with NBE, and makes your skin amazing (no saggy boobs ;Wink

I take 6 grams a day now, I put it in my water and drink it throughout the day.



- Casein powder
I wrote about this before, and tested it for you, when I stopped and started it again. I have to conclude: casein protein powder makes my breasts grow when I take it right before I go to sleep (25 grams)
There is no denying that one, if you want to buy something extra, put your money on this. It is very cheap for the amount of protein you get too.

Well this is my short update Smile
Hope it helps anyone!

Would anyone also be wanting to try out the cinnamon with me? It is super cheap, and have not come accross anything online yet for this purpose.

Much love, Ellen


Just saw this post! Would like to try cinnamon with you <3 Are the regular ones from the supermarket the same?


Hi Ellen~ just wanted to share that I managed to get some good Ceylon Cinnamon off Iherb! They smell and taste amazzinggg. I dont take it in my water though! I usually just sprinkle ALLOOTTT all over my muesli. 
Just thought I'd share this with you!
Hope you've been doing well
Take care and boobie luck to you!

xxxxxxxxx


Yeeh!! <3
Muesli is so much better tbh haha
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#27
(06-11-2017, 01:21 AM)armuline Wrote:
(15-05-2017, 06:06 AM)MissEllen Wrote: Got 30 ml of Aloe Vera (from aliexpress in cute little alluminium boxes for €1.28 incl shipping) and added 4 ovarian glandular capsules to it. Then stirred a bit.


Hi Ellen Smile when you apply the nipple cream and it's absorbed, do you also get a white powdery/grainy residue afterwards?


I didn’t let it air dry, the wetter the better
Oh that rhymes xD

But yeah nasty stuff leaves on there as a residue, I try not to think about it, works best
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#28
Mmm kay!

I feel like these are getting more half a year updates xD

Good news, I have entered the eara of G-cup (wtf right)

Honestly, I feel like my boob greed has stopped.
I did some MAJOR changes since the summer, and stuff is working.
My program now:

- Bovine Ovary Swanson 1500 mg a day, taken at once before sleep 
- Ibutamoren (!!!!) (also known as MK-677) 25 mg a day (IGF-1)
- HMB  2 grams total a day (divided in taking it 3 times a day every 8 hours)
- Cimetidine (tagamet) 1600 mg a day, take it divided over 4 times a day 400 mg each
- Drospironolon + Ethinylestradiol (Yasmin) transbuccal once a day for 3 weeks, and one rest week.
- Multivitamine

During my rest week once a month I stop BCP and BO, and start taking Maca powder
——————-

Where to start.
Ibutamoren, why on earth is not everyone who does NBE on this stuff?
Seriously, we should all be reading more muscle building forums for things like IGF-1 and Growth Hormone lol

It raises Growth Hormone & IGF-1 levels, like nothing else (legally).
I’ve stopped the cinnamon, it is a joke compared to Ibutamoren.

Ibutamoren doesn’t affect cortisol, and doesn’t build any extra muscle or interacts with any androgen/receptors.

After 6 weeks of ibutamoren your IGF-1 is increased with 60% 
After 12 months of continious use, your IGF-1 levels are 72%
The longer you use, the higher your values get.

For those not knowing, IGF-1 is pretty essential for NBE!

I would advice not taking it longer than 12 months due to the IGF-1 risk increase in heart diseases and cancer etc.

Read more here, also the references of the article:
Click here on more Ibutamoren info, you know you want to  Wink


- HMB for to be sure my cells don’t shrink anymore once they are made. Look it up yourself.
I wouldn’t advice this to trans-ladies out there who want to lose muscle. If you are fine with the muscle you’ve now got, then I’d say it’s fine. I understand about wanting to lose muscle if you are transitioning. 

- Cimetidine (Tagamet). It is a medication originally for anti acid. Now I take this for legal reasons. But main side effect in long term use is gynecomastia (fancy word for booby growth). It blocks androgen receptors and also makes the estrogen available in your body to the most efficient estrogen form (17-beta variant).
AOC in the USA, prescription in Europe I believe.

From everything I’ve read, it takes a while for this one to induce gynecomastia. So you will not see growth within a month from just taking this at this dose. More likely half a year before the fun starts. But that is in normal people (men), who don’t take enhancing NBE supplements of course.
Perfect if you have gastric reflux issues.
Be aware of the drug interactions with this one, be sure to check at your pharmacy! No joke here!

- BCP yasmin since the summer: Drospirenon, I calculated it and it has about the same effect as 25 mg of spironolactone. It is a stronger anti androgen than spironolactone, but the dose is lower in Yasmin, hence you end up with around a 25 mg spironolactone effect. Which is pretty great still Smile
So cis-ladies, if you are looking for an easy and effective anti-androgen, this is your go-to Wink

Don’t take this one if you smoke, or are over 35 years of age, or have had like blood clotting issues, or you drink Kale juices 24/7 lol. 
It has a significant higher risk for developing bloot clots, especially in the first year of use.
Just keeping y’all safe here, you know


I buy everything locally here, so please don’t ask for brands etc :p 

Next few months I am looking more into White Peony Root extraction.

But for now, I am doing pwetty damn alright

I’ll try reading back here more often, sorry I sucked so much xD

Still love to read all your messages Smile
You can post here and let me know how you are doing

Keep em growing!
Au revoir!
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#29
Seriously debating if I want to continue NBE. I feel pretty happy with this. What do you guys think? 
Maybe I should go up one more cupsize, and then stop everything? Thinking if I stop I might decrease one cupsize, which means I end up with what I have right now.

Or I can stop now and see what happens?

I don’t know what to do :/
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#30
(16-01-2018, 10:35 AM)MissEllen Wrote: Seriously debating if I want to continue NBE. I feel pretty happy with this. What do you guys think? 
Maybe I should go up one more cupsize, and then stop everything? Thinking if I stop I might decrease one cupsize, which means I end up with what I have right now.

Or I can stop now and see what happens?

I don’t know what to do :/


Hey Ellen!

How are you? Happy New Year love!! Blush 


WOW your progress is inspiring and very very very based on science haha! Honestly, if I were you I would stop for some months and see what happens but I know you like big breasts :p so you could stop for a while, see what's next and if you think you need to achieve a bigger size re-adjust or make a new plan!

P.S : I've tons of things to tell you!!
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