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High Prolactin vs Estrogen
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Hi lovely girls and equally lovely boys,

I'm sort of new, although I have been an enthusiastic reader of this form and the Noogleberry one for over 13 years. So I am quite familiar with the Gods of NBE - Wahaika, Lotus, Surferjoe, Isabelle, Lovely-Dynseli, and so many more. I thank you for teaching me everything I know today (not just NBE). I am better today because of you. 



Anyway, I'm very much interested in the technicalities and the science behind it all. So here goes my reasoning on prolactin:  


- Estrogen increase prolactin
- Prolactin and Progesterone use the same receptor sites in the way that progesterone lowers prolactin and vice versa (correct me if I'm wrong) 
- **But high prolactin lowers all the other sex hormones.**



So my question is this: Does high prolactin prevent estrogen from ever increasing its levels? (meaning: increasing estrogen is futile because the high prolactin will still be in the way)
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No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?
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(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?


Wahiaka is still around if you PM him and he has his own board, BE Board? (from memory) and maybe try Pm'ing Lotus.
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(02-08-2017, 07:33 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?


Wahiaka is still around if you PM him and he has his own board, BE Board? (from memory) and maybe try Pm'ing Lotus.


Omg, it feels so unreal for you to be replying to me. I mean, I've been following your progress from the beginning I think. It's like a celebrity suddenly talking to me! Haha Big Grin

Thank you Ella for your reply. You're one my inspirations <3
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(02-08-2017, 08:55 PM)Rising From Ruins Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 07:33 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?


Wahiaka is still around if you PM him and he has his own board, BE Board? (from memory) and maybe try Pm'ing Lotus.


Omg, it feels so unreal for you to be replying to me. I mean, I've been following your progress from the beginning I think. It's like a celebrity suddenly talking to me! Haha Big Grin

Thank you Ella for your reply. You're one my inspirations <3


Haha that made my day Smile

Sorry cant answer your question though. I reckon you need to be a hormone scientist to figure all this stuff out!

Boy if i had the money then id get the tests done and have a deep discussion with a hormone specialist. Tell you what ive learnt alot lately from listenting to youtube clips, seminars, talks etc on gut issues ( my area) . You may find your answer there but im sure Lotus will answer if you Pm him though Smile
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(02-08-2017, 09:11 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 08:55 PM)Rising From Ruins Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 07:33 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?


Wahiaka is still around if you PM him and he has his own board, BE Board? (from memory) and maybe try Pm'ing Lotus.


Omg, it feels so unreal for you to be replying to me. I mean, I've been following your progress from the beginning I think. It's like a celebrity suddenly talking to me! Haha Big Grin

Thank you Ella for your reply. You're one my inspirations <3


Haha that made my day Smile

Sorry cant answer your question though. I reckon you need to be a hormone scientist to figure all this stuff out!

Boy if i had the money then id get the tests done and have a deep discussion with a hormone specialist. Tell you what ive learnt alot lately from listenting to youtube clips, seminars, talks etc on gut issues ( my area) . You may find your answer there but im sure Lotus will answer if you Pm him though Smile


BEBOARD was abandoned long ago by the originators, BTW.

>>Does high prolactin prevent estrogen from ever increasing its levels? (meaning: increasing estrogen is futile because the high prolactin will still be in the way)

If it is high enough, as in hyperprolactinemia with no other influence, to a great extent but I don't see how it would completely turn it off.  It does have potential to scramble things quite a bit.
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(03-08-2017, 03:37 AM)Wahaika Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 09:11 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 08:55 PM)Rising From Ruins Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 07:33 PM)EllaC Wrote:
(02-08-2017, 09:07 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: No one?

Maybe I posted it into the wrong section of the forum?


Wahiaka is still around if you PM him and he has his own board, BE Board? (from memory) and maybe try Pm'ing Lotus.


Omg, it feels so unreal for you to be replying to me. I mean, I've been following your progress from the beginning I think. It's like a celebrity suddenly talking to me! Haha Big Grin

Thank you Ella for your reply. You're one my inspirations <3


Haha that made my day Smile

Sorry cant answer your question though. I reckon you need to be a hormone scientist to figure all this stuff out!

Boy if i had the money then id get the tests done and have a deep discussion with a hormone specialist. Tell you what ive learnt alot lately from listenting to youtube clips, seminars, talks etc on gut issues ( my area) . You may find your answer there but im sure Lotus will answer if you Pm him though Smile


BEBOARD was abandoned long ago by the originators, BTW.

>>Does high prolactin prevent estrogen from ever increasing its levels? (meaning: increasing estrogen is futile because the high prolactin will still be in the way)

If it is high enough, as in hyperprolactinemia with no other influence, to a great extent but I don't see how it would completely turn it off.  It does have potential to scramble things quite a bit.


Hi. Sorry I was trying to redirect to your forum but I forgot the name Sad
Nice to see you posting though Wahaika though Smile
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#8
THANK YOU Wahaika for replying to my post. It's an honour! 

So, let me write this comment down for anyone who will be having this problem in the future. I hope it might come up in the search engine and help someone.

Some medications increase prolactin. Mirtazapine (Remeron/Remirta) may potentially induce hyperprolactinemia. (like it did to me) Since prolactin goes up, estrogen goes down. Hence, any NBE at this point is not impossible, but difficult. (again, I can attest to that. PM used to work on me like a charm. At the moment - certainly not.) 

That should clarify things. Thank you Wahaika, you ARE a Legend! 

And thank you once again EllaC <3 same here. The more we know, the better we are equipped to solve our own medical problems (when possible). Knowledge is power. I wish you continued success in your journey xxx
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(03-08-2017, 09:10 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: THANK YOU Wahaika for replying to my post. It's an honour! 

So, let me write this comment down for anyone who will be having this problem in the future. I hope it might come up in the search engine and help someone.

Some medications increase prolactin. Mirtazapine (Remeron/Remirta) may potentially induce hyperprolactinemia. (like it did to me) Since prolactin goes up, estrogen goes down. Hence, any NBE at this point is not impossible, but difficult. (again, I can attest to that. PM used to work on me like a charm. At the moment - certainly not.) 

That should clarify things. Thank you Wahaika, you ARE a Legend! 

And thank you once again EllaC <3 same here. The more we know, the better we are equipped to solve our own medical problems (when possible). Knowledge is power. I wish you continued success in your journey xxx

Hmm yes I recall the the longer you breastfeed the better protection From BC you have. If I'd known that at the time I would have tried to breastfeed longer . I just didn't know back then what I know now :Sad

Hope you find a way around it  Smile X
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(03-08-2017, 09:23 AM)EllaC Wrote:
(03-08-2017, 09:10 AM)Rising From Ruins Wrote: THANK YOU Wahaika for replying to my post. It's an honour! 

So, let me write this comment down for anyone who will be having this problem in the future. I hope it might come up in the search engine and help someone.

Some medications increase prolactin. Mirtazapine (Remeron/Remirta) may potentially induce hyperprolactinemia. (like it did to me) Since prolactin goes up, estrogen goes down. Hence, any NBE at this point is not impossible, but difficult. (again, I can attest to that. PM used to work on me like a charm. At the moment - certainly not.) 

That should clarify things. Thank you Wahaika, you ARE a Legend! 

And thank you once again EllaC <3 same here. The more we know, the better we are equipped to solve our own medical problems (when possible). Knowledge is power. I wish you continued success in your journey xxx

Hmm yes I recall the the longer you breastfeed the better protection From BC you have. If I'd known that at the time I would have tried to breastfeed longer . I just didn't know back then what I know now :Sad

Hope you find a way around it  Smile X


Hi EllaC,
Very nice to talk to you again.  I hope that your guts are doing better! 
No problem on the board.  If anyone wants the address I can give it to them via a PM.
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