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August 27 2006 at 12:26 PM
tms81 (Login tms81)
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Main BE herbs
Saw Palmetto(SP),Fenugreek,Fennel,Wild Yam(WY),Red Clover(RC),Hops,Pueara Mirifica(PM)and GLA oil(Borage,Starflower or EPO).Most popular forum BE methods are Individual herbs(single herbs)combined with massage and heat(uasually with a homemade or brand name BE topical cream).The average BE routine lasts about 9 months to acheive best results.U should START on lower doses so u can keep SLOWLY increasing for best results and starting TOO high can actually hinder growth.U can normally expect between 1 half and 2 inches of growth give or take.The most popular STARTER herbs are Fenugreek,SP and a GLA oil,the KEY to BE is finding the RIGHT herbs at the RIGHT doses for YOU and what works for 1 girl may NOT work for u. The advice u get from members is STRICTLY opinion only and if u have any serious concerns u should consult an herbalist.Best Wishes!
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DOSAGES:
Dosages for Fenugreek and breast size usually are 1800 mg to 2400 mg for AAA-B cups and higher dosages of up to 3000mg for C cups and bigger.
Saw Palmetto is recommended for everyone smaller than a B cup and might not be necessary if your boobs are bigger than this.
Saw Palmetto doses in extract form range from 160mg to 320mg, I am not sure about the berries but would guess that taking up to 3000mg a day is okay, but a lower dose of 500mg to 2000 may well be enough.
Saw Palmetto is used to reduce elevated testosterone levels so if you have an androgen dominance you should incorporate it into your routine and a higher dose may be possible to take for that as well.
Always try the lower doses first for a month or two and if you experience tingles, breast tenderness or breast growth stick to it. If you don't notice anything within a month or two, up your dose by maybe one pill and see if you notice any changes with that.
For more information and guidance you can look at the personal programs page of this forum and there is also plenty of information in the "has anyone tried herbs individually" thread which you can search for on this forum.
The flat to fab book has also been recommended by members such as Sunset, the book gives lots of information on single herbs and NBE.
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SUNSETS CACAO BUTTER MASSAGE
Chi massage 360 rotations 2xday
1. mix up your batter, lotion or oil or whatever you will be using and lather it on your breast. (I find its easier to massage one breast at a time, but if your arms can handle doing both at a time it would probably better stimulate that way-but it does work doing one at a time too)
2. After you lather on the batter take your hand and place it over the breast -fingers wide apart and your nipple under your palm. Try to cover as MUCH of your breasts as possible this way.(some find it easier to place nipple between fingers, so that would work also)
3. Once you have placed your hands on breasts-press in just slightly-not to hard just a little bit. (this ensures you move your breast--NOT just your hand over the breast)
4. Next-move your hand and breasts in an UPWARD and INWARD CIRCULAR motion.
(Be sure you are moving your boob around-not just your hand around)
Your should move them INWARDS towards the MIDDLE of your chest NOT outwards
(outward massageing of the breast "may" DECREASE the size of them..we DONT want that!..lol)
5. You should really try to do massages 2 times a day at 360 rotations EACH time.
*WHY MASSAGE?*
Well massage is important in any NBE routine because it helps circulation. You want blood to flow good through the boobies to encourage they are not only able to grow new cells but it keeps them healthy and may help the herbs be delivered there faster and more efficently. It also stimulates them and "wakes" them up to react better to the herbs.
NEVER DO A DRY MASSAGE! ALWAYS USE A LOTION OR OIL!
Massage can definatly make you plumper, fuller looking and rounder. Also it can make the skin so much more softer there. I dont know if massage alone has ever made anyone grow in cup size...but plumpness and fuller rounder boobies are very nice, and the herbs can help with the actual cup size growth. So dont EVER underestimate the power of MASSAGE!...lol
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HONEBS HYPNOSIS:
Sometimes our biggest breast growing tool is our brain March 23 2006, 8:42 PM
remotehypnosis.com has a downloadable mp3 for NBE and its free but you are asked to leave a donation if you can. many other recordings can run you anywhere from 5-25 bucks so check it out. also check out ebay for some good but inexpensive recordings.
this i look from a discussion on the beboard....
princess says: "I am skeptical if hypnosis for BE really works or not, I find it hard to believe that just because "someone" is talking to you, that your boobs will grow.
If it does work, how much percentage would you give it for causing your boobs to grow. aside from the rest of your "herbs and pills"??
Thank Ya "
SugarQ replies: "i find it more skeptical that someone can take a herbal pill and get growth. the success rate with herbs isn't impressive. especially the prearranged formulas chuck full of 10 or 20 different herbs.
hypnosis has long history as being able to have an effect the body. there are even cases like the ice cube and blisters or the women that broke out in sores and started bleeding on her forehead because she was hypnotized to believe she wore a crown of thorns on her head. stigmata cases are believed to have a link with the mind causing the body to break out in sores on the hand. this even goes beyond just the religion of Christianity. even Muslim faith has related cases.
hypnosis generally works on the principal there is a part of you mind that regulates stuff you don't voluntarily have control over and forcing it to do what you want. like for instance blinking. you normally don't think about blinking every time you do it. but you can control it (staring contest) if you put in the effort and want to do it(you are consciously thinking about it). another example is heart rate. you don't think about it. your body generally regulates your heart beat according to what it needs (when you run your heart beats faster then if you are sitting down and relaxing). but during time when you heart is racing you can try to control it by relaxing and trying to be calm. its the same thing you are trying to do with your breasts through hypnosis.you normally dont think about what hormones to release and when to release them. your brain and your body will do that on its own without you thinking about it. we are trying to find a way to trigger breast enlargement with the brain by talking to the subconciouse. some women dont need hypnosis to do this. if you read flat 2 fab lucille talks about an experiment where women used visualization to cause NBE and according to the book 50% success rate was seen. so just taking the time to pay attention to your breasts may be enough for some to experience growth.
hypnosis forces your mind and body to pay more attention to your breasts. they give suggestions, like the "voice "tells you that you are feeling tingles or tension in the breast and you imagine it. you imagine what it feels like. and maybe your start actually start feeling these sensations and maybe unknowingly your body is sending more blood to your breasts and increases circulation( remember that i said that on some level we may have control of our heart rate. we may also have control over where the blood goes) to get you to feel these sensations and increase nutrients and hormones that get into the breasts. and possibly the imagined sensations may force your brain to release hormones that may have an effect on breast enlargement. or the suggestions try to take you back to a time when you were a teen and should have started growing. the mind may have memory of what hormones and stuff were swirling around during that time so when the suggestions tell you to go back to your teens which may trigger memories and the body may start reenacting what was happening during that time. hypnosis for BE works on so many levels other then just stimulating growth. it also gives you positive messages to keep you focused on your goals and helps you believe in what you are doing. if you don't believe in NBE and the method you chose then you wont do as well as someone who believes and has faith. hypnosis helps to take away mental blocks that prevent you from growing.
the closest idea on how this thing works in real life is the case where a woman thinks she is pregnant (but really she isn't). she begins to gain weight and her belly extends. her breasts enlarge and starts producing colostrum, her period stops etc. there is no medical reason for her to have this reaction and she isn't on any medication but because she believed she was pregnant her mind had an effect on her body that caused it to develop these symptoms. of cause this is rare and usually people who respond to suggestions are better at being hypnotized but it can and does happen. it may happen more for people who are insanely desperate (for or against it happening). now a good hypnotist isn't going to say " your breast are growing big and large etc..." they are going to suggest sensations and imagery to get you to have the mind set of a women with larger breasts. make you imagine yourself with larger breasts. feel a difference in your breast size (which may not immediately be there ) . feel sensations like sore nipples and swollen, hot breasts. maybe a sucking sensation or a itchy or tingly sensation. etc... a response to hypnosis may take several months of daily frequent listening. so don't expect to come out of your first hypnosis session with larger breasts automatically.
so far hypnosis success cases isn't better then herbs or any internal pill or hormone therapy but there is a big possibility it could work. its worth a try. hypnosis Cd's are cheaper then buying a 1 year supply of pills and herbs and you can use it for as long as you would like. right now hypnosis is a back up to a routine. you do it in combination with other NBE methods. just like massaging or taking herbs or BO etc.
its not a matter of whether it does work. but can it work? is there any link to proven sciences that can say if it can work? there are many links that would suggest hypnosis may work for nbe. so the potential is there. but right now there isn't a trend that definitively proves it works. its just something anyone that is serious about NBE should consider doing and hope that every little bit helps. just like with herbs. there is nothing that proves it works but members here can cite other related medical occurrences and experiments that suggest there is good enough potential to give herbs a try. and hypnosis doesn't have to cost anything if you are running short on cash. you can download some hypnosis Mp3 online or you can ask a member here to burn you a copy. so there really isn't a good enough excuse not to give hypnosis a fair try. even if you are not good at sitting still for long or fall a sleep during the session you may still benefit from what little you can get out of it.
someone brought an article of this program at a gym for natural breast enhancement where members massage their breasts and the instructor gives hypnotic suggestions out loud to the women. its no surprise to me that a program like that would be around. and women were reporting success. one of the oldest wife's tale was if you talk to your breasts it will grow. lol. IT ACTUALLY MAY WORK."
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ARE NATURAL BREAST ENLARGEMENT SAFE?
These herbs are very safe and have been in common use for thousands of years. There are no health warnings of any sort associated with them and they are on the FDA's list of safe foods.
These are plants, not pharmaceutical drugs and their actions are mild. They would be similar in safety to something such as garlic.
They have been found to have many health benefits and are currently under study for controling diabetes, easing the symptoms of PMS and menopause, and preventing breast cancer. They may be a healthy alternative to synthetic hormone replacement therapies.
As with any herb or food there is always the possibility of allergic reactions. These are extremely rare with these herbs. Should you seem to have some sort of problem, you need simply to eliminate one herb at a time until you know which is causing the problem
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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MAX DAILY DOSAGES:
these are the only Maximum dosage amounts I know about, so I thought I would post them:
RED CLOVER-6 Caps-(2,100-2,250mg) No more
FENUGREEK-6 Caps-(3,600-3,720mg) No more
SAW PALMETTO-9 Caps-(4,860-5,400mg) No More
*STOP increasing dosages AS SOON AS you notice growing pains or increased fullness!*
The key is to take as few as possiale and STILL get growth.
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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HERB GUILDLINES:
1. Take herbs every 8 hours or so.
*the idea is to have a steady flow of herbs in your system.
2. Take herbs on an empty stomach, this seems to aid in absorption of the active ingredients.
*if the herbs upset your stomach, then certainly take them with food!*
~take the herbs 1/2 hour BEFORE or 2 hours AFTER eating.
~Allow an hour to pass before drinking soda or coffee.
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do not change routine for at least the first whole month PM
*you should stick with the SAME routine for ALL of cycle 1.
*Dont add herbs or take extra pills~this will not help.
*Be patient for the herbs to kick in and produce results.
~Most women experience tingles-growing pains and soreness within 3-4 weeks and notice breasts getting firmer and looking fuller within 1 month.
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IF NO growing pains AT ALL in 1 whole month:
*Pump up your program SLOWLY.
*Increase your dosage of each herb by 1 capsule per day untill you notice results (tingles,soreness, pains,fullness-any of those)
*Give your body a week or two before adding any additional herbs.
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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THE PREPERATION PHASE:
I guess I should have added this first, oh well here it is any how..
*before starting you will want to make sure your body is prepared for the task ahead.(this is where progesterone cream or milk thistle comes in)
*This helps flush your body of excess hormones to ensure your receptors are open and ready.
*Use the progesterone cream with the last 7 days of your current cycle (a week before next period is due)
*Apply 1/2 teaspoon of the prog. cream 2 times a day to inner thighs, wrist,tummy, underneath inside of arms-just be sure to rub it on a different spot each time instead of the same spot everytime.
~MILK THISTLE~
This can be used instead of prog. cream it can be used for 1 or 2 weeks before getting started on herbs.
*Just follow the directions on the bottle if you use this.
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POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF NBE:
1. Mood Swings
~as your hormones adjust, you might feel more emotional than normal.
Sensitivity, anxiety,irritability are all fairly common.
2. Tiredness
~Some women feel tierd when using certain herbs
~Fenugreek is the most common culprit because it has the effect of lowering blood sugar levels.
~If you feel your tierd either lower your dosage of fenugreek or substitute with something else. (fruit can also help)
3. Water retention
~Because phytoestrogens mimic the effects of estrogen,they can lead to water retention. (any diuretic herb can help counteract this-red clover is one exaMPLE)
4. eARLY OR LATE PERIODS
~May come earlier,later,or heavier than normal.
~they should be normal after the body adjusts to the herbs.
~if your period is more than a week late-STOP all herbs.
5. Lactation
~IF lactation occurs you may want to lower fenugreek.
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BASIC STAGES OF BREAST GROWT:
What you may experience:
1. First you may experience "growing pains"
~Sore breasts or nipples are usually the 1st sign that you are right on track. (NOT everyone gets pains, and some women WILL grow with out ever having pains) They can range from soreness to tingles that last anywhere from a few days to an entire cycle.
2. Next your breasts will look fuller and feel firmer.
~this usually happens a month into it.
~you may feel and look firmer before you see an actuall increase on the tape measure.
3. Your breasts may be swelled before your period.
~DONT BE FOOLED
~measure your growth on day 5 of your period when breasts are naturally at the smallest.
4.Most women are able to increase their breasts by 1/4" to 1/2" PER MONTH!
~It doesnt sound like much but those gains do add up after a few months.
5.Your breasts may slow down growing after a few months.
~the herbs seem to loose their effectivness after about 3 months.
~this is why breaks are important,because our bodies get used to the herbs.
6. Most women require 6 months to 1 year to reach their goal.
~It is possible to get results you desire sooner.
~Commit your self to the long haul to avoid disappointment.
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~HAVE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS~
This requires time and patience!
~Results are rarely as drastic as surgery.
~Most all women experience increased fullness and firmness.
~67% gain AT LEAST a cup size.
~Some LUCKY ladies will gain as much as 3 cup sizes, this is the EXCEPTOIN NOT THE RULE.
Factors that can impact your results:
1. Body weight
2.hormones
3.age
BODY WEIGHT
There are 2 reasons why body fat is essential for BE:
1.The conversion of testosterone into estrogen takes place in the fatty tissue.
2.Your breasts consist of a certain amount of fat.
~puberty is triggered when a girls body accumulates at least 20%-22% of body fat.
~You need to have enough body fat to trigger your breasts to grow again.
~you should have at least a body mass of 19 for NBE to work.
YOUR HORMONES
~breast enlargement is all about hormones. Your hormones need to be as balanced as possible.
*excess estrogen is a very common hormonal imbalance in women in thier 30's and 40's.
WAYS TO ALSO HELP BALANCE HORMONES
1. Avoid toxins and second hand hormones.
2. Use Prog. cream for 2 weeks during breaks.
3. Use milk thistle as often as needed for detox puposes.
BRING TESTOSTERONE DOWN BY:
1.cutting down on carbs
2.Keep stress undercontrol
3. Increase Saw Palmetto
AGE
AGE can play a role in determining results if you are over age 30
2 factors can impact results:
1.growth hormones have declined
2. glands have begun to atrophy.
(all the info in the above 2 threads plus this one where obtained from the F2F book)
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WHAT IS PROGESTERONE CREAM:
it is used in NBE to open up receptors and make sure they are able to accept phytoestrogens. If the receptors are shut down-breast growth is said to be a no go. Is that true? well I dont have proof-thats just what I have read.
Progesterone balances the effects of excess estrogen and prepares your body for breast enlagement.
Using it before you start a routine will ensure your receptors will be ready to respond once you get started.
Progesterone cream can be used also during breaks to keep hormones balanced.
Prog. cream flushes the body of excess hormones.
*So you can think of it like this:
Pretend for example you have to much estrogen. And think of the receptor sites looking like a honey comb, with 6 little holes in it.
Now pretend that all 6 holes are filled up with estrogen. You only need 3 of those holes filled up with estrogen (pretend) and the other 3 holes that are filled up are EXCESS unneeded estrogen or second hand toxins-but they binded in there and now all 6 holes of that receptor site are filled and there is no room for any more.
Well-by using the prog. cream you KEEP the estrogen you DO need but it discards (gets rid of) the other 3 that you DO NOT NEED.
So now you have a receptor (honeycomb) with 3 full spots and 3 empty spots right? Well now it is OPEN and ready to take on these herbs. The herbs can bind into it and do their job.
If all your receptors are full-no herbs can bind to the receptor sites-so they cant "plug in" and do the job. And thats my "honeycomb" example lol
Ok-now you dont nessisarilly have to use only the cream (I did, but it can be a pain kind of) You can instead use MILK THISTLE. It does the same exact thing you just dont have to rub the cream in you just take it by mouth as many times recommended on the bottle.
If you use progesterone cream you can start using it a week before your period is due and then stop once you recieve your period. You dont want to use it all the time or everyday for a long time. Just before your routine and during breaks from NBE. Just a week before your period.
Now-If you use MILK THISTLE: you can take it up to 2 weeks before your period. you may use it with your other herbs if you like to, or just before beginning and during breaks as well.
I hope this helped you out Vivian, sorry its so long!
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HOW DOES THE HERBS WORK?
How Does Natural Herbs Enlarge Breasts?
Breast development begins at puberty, when a young woman's body receives chemical signals from the pituitary gland. These signals orchestrate powerful changes in a young woman's body. Scientific research has concluded that foundational breast tissue growth occurs most efficiently with the balanced presence of estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, prostaglandins, and GF compounds (human growth factor hormones). Along with other complications, improper balances of these hormones lead to poor breast development. At some point after adolescence, the body ceases to produce GF compounds, resulting in a completion of breast tissue growth. Natural herbal combinations stimulate changes in concentration of these hormones, as well as increase the level of GF compounds. This is the reason using natural herbs to enlarge breasts by creating new breast tissue is the safe and satisfying choice.
Methods for Breast Enlargement:
Implant - Breast implant surgery (breast augmentation) is the fastest and most popular method of making breasts larger. However, risks and maintenance can be costly.
Silicone Breast Enhancers - Silicone Breast Enhancers are made of a specially formulated medical quality silicone gel that has the look and feel of natural breast tissue. Again, the risks and maintenance could prove to be very costly.
Herbal Supplements – Herbs offer outstanding benefits versus other modalities while leaving no scars. Although the herbal breast enlargement process may take longer than the couple of hours the surgical procedure would take, it is cost-effective, safe and healthier.
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PHYTOESTROGENS
Definition of a Phytoestrogen
What exactly are phytoestrogens, and how can we use them to our benefit in the development of the breasts, as a hormonal balancer for menopausal symptoms, and as a healthy, preventative addition to our diet? Phytoestrogens are also quickly becoming the buzz as natural breast enlargement alternatives, and hormone replacement therapy for women going through menopause.
The word "phytoestrogen" is derived from "phyto", meaning plant, and then "estrogen" is because of their ability to affect estrogenic activity in the body. It is important to know that although phytoestrogens may have some similar actions to estrogens, they are not the same as the true hormonal estrogens that our bodies produce. Phytoestrogens are actually a group of compounds found in plants that influence our own estrogen activity by mimicking it's effects in the female body.
Categories of Phytoestrogens Phytoestrogens are categorized into four main groups and these are then further subdivided. The four groups of phytoestrogens are soy isoflavones, lignans, coumestans and resorcylic acid lactones, though the latter is not a true phytoestrogen.6, 7 The most chemically effective as a phytoestrogen (estrogen-mimicking supplement), and structurally similar to estrogen, are the soy isoflavones. Soy isoflavones are now being touted as a healthy supplement for menopausal and pre-menopausal women for their "healthy estrogen" enhancing abilities.
Now, what about phytoestrogens as a breast enlarging or breast enhancing supplement? There are several products out there marketed as breast enlargement supplements using phytoestrogen technology combined with other natural herbs known for varying degrees of breast enhancing and hormone balancing qualities. The question is, do they work and are they healthy?
The answer to that is two-fold. You should never stay on any supplement like this for more than nine months at a time, as this may become harmful to your health since it is unnatural to sustain higher estrogen activity for such a long period.
However, under the correct usage and when used with proper diet, phytoestrogens can be used, and have been used, successfully to enlarge and enhance breasts, and even to alleviate symptoms of hormonal imbalance, decrease libido and other hormone-related issues common to women - especially premenopausal or menopausal women.
The bottom line is, we are only beginning to understand the benefits that natural phytoestrogens and phytoestrogen-based supplements can have for women, be it for purposes of breast health, breast enhancement, menopause symptoms relief, and hormonal imbalances.
One must be careful in choosing any phytoestrogen product, as they vary greatly in quality and purity standards. Examine the company you are buying from closely. Don't go on price alone - see if they have credible testimonials or a proven track record for success and quality.
This way, you can be sure to reap the full health and beauty benefits of introducing phytoestrogens into your diet!
August 27 2006 at 12:26 PM
tms81 (Login tms81)
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Main BE herbs
Saw Palmetto(SP),Fenugreek,Fennel,Wild Yam(WY),Red Clover(RC),Hops,Pueara Mirifica(PM)and GLA oil(Borage,Starflower or EPO).Most popular forum BE methods are Individual herbs(single herbs)combined with massage and heat(uasually with a homemade or brand name BE topical cream).The average BE routine lasts about 9 months to acheive best results.U should START on lower doses so u can keep SLOWLY increasing for best results and starting TOO high can actually hinder growth.U can normally expect between 1 half and 2 inches of growth give or take.The most popular STARTER herbs are Fenugreek,SP and a GLA oil,the KEY to BE is finding the RIGHT herbs at the RIGHT doses for YOU and what works for 1 girl may NOT work for u. The advice u get from members is STRICTLY opinion only and if u have any serious concerns u should consult an herbalist.Best Wishes!
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DOSAGES:
Dosages for Fenugreek and breast size usually are 1800 mg to 2400 mg for AAA-B cups and higher dosages of up to 3000mg for C cups and bigger.
Saw Palmetto is recommended for everyone smaller than a B cup and might not be necessary if your boobs are bigger than this.
Saw Palmetto doses in extract form range from 160mg to 320mg, I am not sure about the berries but would guess that taking up to 3000mg a day is okay, but a lower dose of 500mg to 2000 may well be enough.
Saw Palmetto is used to reduce elevated testosterone levels so if you have an androgen dominance you should incorporate it into your routine and a higher dose may be possible to take for that as well.
Always try the lower doses first for a month or two and if you experience tingles, breast tenderness or breast growth stick to it. If you don't notice anything within a month or two, up your dose by maybe one pill and see if you notice any changes with that.
For more information and guidance you can look at the personal programs page of this forum and there is also plenty of information in the "has anyone tried herbs individually" thread which you can search for on this forum.
The flat to fab book has also been recommended by members such as Sunset, the book gives lots of information on single herbs and NBE.
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SUNSETS CACAO BUTTER MASSAGE
Chi massage 360 rotations 2xday
1. mix up your batter, lotion or oil or whatever you will be using and lather it on your breast. (I find its easier to massage one breast at a time, but if your arms can handle doing both at a time it would probably better stimulate that way-but it does work doing one at a time too)
2. After you lather on the batter take your hand and place it over the breast -fingers wide apart and your nipple under your palm. Try to cover as MUCH of your breasts as possible this way.(some find it easier to place nipple between fingers, so that would work also)
3. Once you have placed your hands on breasts-press in just slightly-not to hard just a little bit. (this ensures you move your breast--NOT just your hand over the breast)
4. Next-move your hand and breasts in an UPWARD and INWARD CIRCULAR motion.
(Be sure you are moving your boob around-not just your hand around)
Your should move them INWARDS towards the MIDDLE of your chest NOT outwards
(outward massageing of the breast "may" DECREASE the size of them..we DONT want that!..lol)
5. You should really try to do massages 2 times a day at 360 rotations EACH time.
*WHY MASSAGE?*
Well massage is important in any NBE routine because it helps circulation. You want blood to flow good through the boobies to encourage they are not only able to grow new cells but it keeps them healthy and may help the herbs be delivered there faster and more efficently. It also stimulates them and "wakes" them up to react better to the herbs.
NEVER DO A DRY MASSAGE! ALWAYS USE A LOTION OR OIL!
Massage can definatly make you plumper, fuller looking and rounder. Also it can make the skin so much more softer there. I dont know if massage alone has ever made anyone grow in cup size...but plumpness and fuller rounder boobies are very nice, and the herbs can help with the actual cup size growth. So dont EVER underestimate the power of MASSAGE!...lol
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HONEBS HYPNOSIS:
Sometimes our biggest breast growing tool is our brain March 23 2006, 8:42 PM
remotehypnosis.com has a downloadable mp3 for NBE and its free but you are asked to leave a donation if you can. many other recordings can run you anywhere from 5-25 bucks so check it out. also check out ebay for some good but inexpensive recordings.
this i look from a discussion on the beboard....
princess says: "I am skeptical if hypnosis for BE really works or not, I find it hard to believe that just because "someone" is talking to you, that your boobs will grow.
If it does work, how much percentage would you give it for causing your boobs to grow. aside from the rest of your "herbs and pills"??
Thank Ya "
SugarQ replies: "i find it more skeptical that someone can take a herbal pill and get growth. the success rate with herbs isn't impressive. especially the prearranged formulas chuck full of 10 or 20 different herbs.
hypnosis has long history as being able to have an effect the body. there are even cases like the ice cube and blisters or the women that broke out in sores and started bleeding on her forehead because she was hypnotized to believe she wore a crown of thorns on her head. stigmata cases are believed to have a link with the mind causing the body to break out in sores on the hand. this even goes beyond just the religion of Christianity. even Muslim faith has related cases.
hypnosis generally works on the principal there is a part of you mind that regulates stuff you don't voluntarily have control over and forcing it to do what you want. like for instance blinking. you normally don't think about blinking every time you do it. but you can control it (staring contest) if you put in the effort and want to do it(you are consciously thinking about it). another example is heart rate. you don't think about it. your body generally regulates your heart beat according to what it needs (when you run your heart beats faster then if you are sitting down and relaxing). but during time when you heart is racing you can try to control it by relaxing and trying to be calm. its the same thing you are trying to do with your breasts through hypnosis.you normally dont think about what hormones to release and when to release them. your brain and your body will do that on its own without you thinking about it. we are trying to find a way to trigger breast enlargement with the brain by talking to the subconciouse. some women dont need hypnosis to do this. if you read flat 2 fab lucille talks about an experiment where women used visualization to cause NBE and according to the book 50% success rate was seen. so just taking the time to pay attention to your breasts may be enough for some to experience growth.
hypnosis forces your mind and body to pay more attention to your breasts. they give suggestions, like the "voice "tells you that you are feeling tingles or tension in the breast and you imagine it. you imagine what it feels like. and maybe your start actually start feeling these sensations and maybe unknowingly your body is sending more blood to your breasts and increases circulation( remember that i said that on some level we may have control of our heart rate. we may also have control over where the blood goes) to get you to feel these sensations and increase nutrients and hormones that get into the breasts. and possibly the imagined sensations may force your brain to release hormones that may have an effect on breast enlargement. or the suggestions try to take you back to a time when you were a teen and should have started growing. the mind may have memory of what hormones and stuff were swirling around during that time so when the suggestions tell you to go back to your teens which may trigger memories and the body may start reenacting what was happening during that time. hypnosis for BE works on so many levels other then just stimulating growth. it also gives you positive messages to keep you focused on your goals and helps you believe in what you are doing. if you don't believe in NBE and the method you chose then you wont do as well as someone who believes and has faith. hypnosis helps to take away mental blocks that prevent you from growing.
the closest idea on how this thing works in real life is the case where a woman thinks she is pregnant (but really she isn't). she begins to gain weight and her belly extends. her breasts enlarge and starts producing colostrum, her period stops etc. there is no medical reason for her to have this reaction and she isn't on any medication but because she believed she was pregnant her mind had an effect on her body that caused it to develop these symptoms. of cause this is rare and usually people who respond to suggestions are better at being hypnotized but it can and does happen. it may happen more for people who are insanely desperate (for or against it happening). now a good hypnotist isn't going to say " your breast are growing big and large etc..." they are going to suggest sensations and imagery to get you to have the mind set of a women with larger breasts. make you imagine yourself with larger breasts. feel a difference in your breast size (which may not immediately be there ) . feel sensations like sore nipples and swollen, hot breasts. maybe a sucking sensation or a itchy or tingly sensation. etc... a response to hypnosis may take several months of daily frequent listening. so don't expect to come out of your first hypnosis session with larger breasts automatically.
so far hypnosis success cases isn't better then herbs or any internal pill or hormone therapy but there is a big possibility it could work. its worth a try. hypnosis Cd's are cheaper then buying a 1 year supply of pills and herbs and you can use it for as long as you would like. right now hypnosis is a back up to a routine. you do it in combination with other NBE methods. just like massaging or taking herbs or BO etc.
its not a matter of whether it does work. but can it work? is there any link to proven sciences that can say if it can work? there are many links that would suggest hypnosis may work for nbe. so the potential is there. but right now there isn't a trend that definitively proves it works. its just something anyone that is serious about NBE should consider doing and hope that every little bit helps. just like with herbs. there is nothing that proves it works but members here can cite other related medical occurrences and experiments that suggest there is good enough potential to give herbs a try. and hypnosis doesn't have to cost anything if you are running short on cash. you can download some hypnosis Mp3 online or you can ask a member here to burn you a copy. so there really isn't a good enough excuse not to give hypnosis a fair try. even if you are not good at sitting still for long or fall a sleep during the session you may still benefit from what little you can get out of it.
someone brought an article of this program at a gym for natural breast enhancement where members massage their breasts and the instructor gives hypnotic suggestions out loud to the women. its no surprise to me that a program like that would be around. and women were reporting success. one of the oldest wife's tale was if you talk to your breasts it will grow. lol. IT ACTUALLY MAY WORK."
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ARE NATURAL BREAST ENLARGEMENT SAFE?
These herbs are very safe and have been in common use for thousands of years. There are no health warnings of any sort associated with them and they are on the FDA's list of safe foods.
These are plants, not pharmaceutical drugs and their actions are mild. They would be similar in safety to something such as garlic.
They have been found to have many health benefits and are currently under study for controling diabetes, easing the symptoms of PMS and menopause, and preventing breast cancer. They may be a healthy alternative to synthetic hormone replacement therapies.
As with any herb or food there is always the possibility of allergic reactions. These are extremely rare with these herbs. Should you seem to have some sort of problem, you need simply to eliminate one herb at a time until you know which is causing the problem
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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MAX DAILY DOSAGES:
these are the only Maximum dosage amounts I know about, so I thought I would post them:
RED CLOVER-6 Caps-(2,100-2,250mg) No more
FENUGREEK-6 Caps-(3,600-3,720mg) No more
SAW PALMETTO-9 Caps-(4,860-5,400mg) No More
*STOP increasing dosages AS SOON AS you notice growing pains or increased fullness!*
The key is to take as few as possiale and STILL get growth.
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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HERB GUILDLINES:
1. Take herbs every 8 hours or so.
*the idea is to have a steady flow of herbs in your system.
2. Take herbs on an empty stomach, this seems to aid in absorption of the active ingredients.
*if the herbs upset your stomach, then certainly take them with food!*
~take the herbs 1/2 hour BEFORE or 2 hours AFTER eating.
~Allow an hour to pass before drinking soda or coffee.
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do not change routine for at least the first whole month PM
*you should stick with the SAME routine for ALL of cycle 1.
*Dont add herbs or take extra pills~this will not help.
*Be patient for the herbs to kick in and produce results.
~Most women experience tingles-growing pains and soreness within 3-4 weeks and notice breasts getting firmer and looking fuller within 1 month.
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IF NO growing pains AT ALL in 1 whole month:
*Pump up your program SLOWLY.
*Increase your dosage of each herb by 1 capsule per day untill you notice results (tingles,soreness, pains,fullness-any of those)
*Give your body a week or two before adding any additional herbs.
~Follow your heart-
Let your spirits lift you-
And then capture your dreams!
~Best wishes on a growing journey!~
*Sunset*
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THE PREPERATION PHASE:
I guess I should have added this first, oh well here it is any how..
*before starting you will want to make sure your body is prepared for the task ahead.(this is where progesterone cream or milk thistle comes in)
*This helps flush your body of excess hormones to ensure your receptors are open and ready.
*Use the progesterone cream with the last 7 days of your current cycle (a week before next period is due)
*Apply 1/2 teaspoon of the prog. cream 2 times a day to inner thighs, wrist,tummy, underneath inside of arms-just be sure to rub it on a different spot each time instead of the same spot everytime.
~MILK THISTLE~
This can be used instead of prog. cream it can be used for 1 or 2 weeks before getting started on herbs.
*Just follow the directions on the bottle if you use this.
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POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS OF NBE:
1. Mood Swings
~as your hormones adjust, you might feel more emotional than normal.
Sensitivity, anxiety,irritability are all fairly common.
2. Tiredness
~Some women feel tierd when using certain herbs
~Fenugreek is the most common culprit because it has the effect of lowering blood sugar levels.
~If you feel your tierd either lower your dosage of fenugreek or substitute with something else. (fruit can also help)
3. Water retention
~Because phytoestrogens mimic the effects of estrogen,they can lead to water retention. (any diuretic herb can help counteract this-red clover is one exaMPLE)
4. eARLY OR LATE PERIODS
~May come earlier,later,or heavier than normal.
~they should be normal after the body adjusts to the herbs.
~if your period is more than a week late-STOP all herbs.
5. Lactation
~IF lactation occurs you may want to lower fenugreek.
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BASIC STAGES OF BREAST GROWT:
What you may experience:
1. First you may experience "growing pains"
~Sore breasts or nipples are usually the 1st sign that you are right on track. (NOT everyone gets pains, and some women WILL grow with out ever having pains) They can range from soreness to tingles that last anywhere from a few days to an entire cycle.
2. Next your breasts will look fuller and feel firmer.
~this usually happens a month into it.
~you may feel and look firmer before you see an actuall increase on the tape measure.
3. Your breasts may be swelled before your period.
~DONT BE FOOLED
~measure your growth on day 5 of your period when breasts are naturally at the smallest.
4.Most women are able to increase their breasts by 1/4" to 1/2" PER MONTH!
~It doesnt sound like much but those gains do add up after a few months.
5.Your breasts may slow down growing after a few months.
~the herbs seem to loose their effectivness after about 3 months.
~this is why breaks are important,because our bodies get used to the herbs.
6. Most women require 6 months to 1 year to reach their goal.
~It is possible to get results you desire sooner.
~Commit your self to the long haul to avoid disappointment.
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~HAVE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS~
This requires time and patience!
~Results are rarely as drastic as surgery.
~Most all women experience increased fullness and firmness.
~67% gain AT LEAST a cup size.
~Some LUCKY ladies will gain as much as 3 cup sizes, this is the EXCEPTOIN NOT THE RULE.
Factors that can impact your results:
1. Body weight
2.hormones
3.age
BODY WEIGHT
There are 2 reasons why body fat is essential for BE:
1.The conversion of testosterone into estrogen takes place in the fatty tissue.
2.Your breasts consist of a certain amount of fat.
~puberty is triggered when a girls body accumulates at least 20%-22% of body fat.
~You need to have enough body fat to trigger your breasts to grow again.
~you should have at least a body mass of 19 for NBE to work.
YOUR HORMONES
~breast enlargement is all about hormones. Your hormones need to be as balanced as possible.
*excess estrogen is a very common hormonal imbalance in women in thier 30's and 40's.
WAYS TO ALSO HELP BALANCE HORMONES
1. Avoid toxins and second hand hormones.
2. Use Prog. cream for 2 weeks during breaks.
3. Use milk thistle as often as needed for detox puposes.
BRING TESTOSTERONE DOWN BY:
1.cutting down on carbs
2.Keep stress undercontrol
3. Increase Saw Palmetto
AGE
AGE can play a role in determining results if you are over age 30
2 factors can impact results:
1.growth hormones have declined
2. glands have begun to atrophy.
(all the info in the above 2 threads plus this one where obtained from the F2F book)
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WHAT IS PROGESTERONE CREAM:
it is used in NBE to open up receptors and make sure they are able to accept phytoestrogens. If the receptors are shut down-breast growth is said to be a no go. Is that true? well I dont have proof-thats just what I have read.
Progesterone balances the effects of excess estrogen and prepares your body for breast enlagement.
Using it before you start a routine will ensure your receptors will be ready to respond once you get started.
Progesterone cream can be used also during breaks to keep hormones balanced.
Prog. cream flushes the body of excess hormones.
*So you can think of it like this:
Pretend for example you have to much estrogen. And think of the receptor sites looking like a honey comb, with 6 little holes in it.
Now pretend that all 6 holes are filled up with estrogen. You only need 3 of those holes filled up with estrogen (pretend) and the other 3 holes that are filled up are EXCESS unneeded estrogen or second hand toxins-but they binded in there and now all 6 holes of that receptor site are filled and there is no room for any more.
Well-by using the prog. cream you KEEP the estrogen you DO need but it discards (gets rid of) the other 3 that you DO NOT NEED.
So now you have a receptor (honeycomb) with 3 full spots and 3 empty spots right? Well now it is OPEN and ready to take on these herbs. The herbs can bind into it and do their job.
If all your receptors are full-no herbs can bind to the receptor sites-so they cant "plug in" and do the job. And thats my "honeycomb" example
lolOk-now you dont nessisarilly have to use only the cream (I did, but it can be a pain kind of) You can instead use MILK THISTLE. It does the same exact thing you just dont have to rub the cream in you just take it by mouth as many times recommended on the bottle.
If you use progesterone cream you can start using it a week before your period is due and then stop once you recieve your period. You dont want to use it all the time or everyday for a long time. Just before your routine and during breaks from NBE. Just a week before your period.
Now-If you use MILK THISTLE: you can take it up to 2 weeks before your period. you may use it with your other herbs if you like to, or just before beginning and during breaks as well.
I hope this helped you out Vivian, sorry its so long!
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HOW DOES THE HERBS WORK?
How Does Natural Herbs Enlarge Breasts?
Breast development begins at puberty, when a young woman's body receives chemical signals from the pituitary gland. These signals orchestrate powerful changes in a young woman's body. Scientific research has concluded that foundational breast tissue growth occurs most efficiently with the balanced presence of estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, prostaglandins, and GF compounds (human growth factor hormones). Along with other complications, improper balances of these hormones lead to poor breast development. At some point after adolescence, the body ceases to produce GF compounds, resulting in a completion of breast tissue growth. Natural herbal combinations stimulate changes in concentration of these hormones, as well as increase the level of GF compounds. This is the reason using natural herbs to enlarge breasts by creating new breast tissue is the safe and satisfying choice.
Methods for Breast Enlargement:
Implant - Breast implant surgery (breast augmentation) is the fastest and most popular method of making breasts larger. However, risks and maintenance can be costly.
Silicone Breast Enhancers - Silicone Breast Enhancers are made of a specially formulated medical quality silicone gel that has the look and feel of natural breast tissue. Again, the risks and maintenance could prove to be very costly.
Herbal Supplements – Herbs offer outstanding benefits versus other modalities while leaving no scars. Although the herbal breast enlargement process may take longer than the couple of hours the surgical procedure would take, it is cost-effective, safe and healthier.
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PHYTOESTROGENS
Definition of a Phytoestrogen
What exactly are phytoestrogens, and how can we use them to our benefit in the development of the breasts, as a hormonal balancer for menopausal symptoms, and as a healthy, preventative addition to our diet? Phytoestrogens are also quickly becoming the buzz as natural breast enlargement alternatives, and hormone replacement therapy for women going through menopause.
The word "phytoestrogen" is derived from "phyto", meaning plant, and then "estrogen" is because of their ability to affect estrogenic activity in the body. It is important to know that although phytoestrogens may have some similar actions to estrogens, they are not the same as the true hormonal estrogens that our bodies produce. Phytoestrogens are actually a group of compounds found in plants that influence our own estrogen activity by mimicking it's effects in the female body.
Categories of Phytoestrogens Phytoestrogens are categorized into four main groups and these are then further subdivided. The four groups of phytoestrogens are soy isoflavones, lignans, coumestans and resorcylic acid lactones, though the latter is not a true phytoestrogen.6, 7 The most chemically effective as a phytoestrogen (estrogen-mimicking supplement), and structurally similar to estrogen, are the soy isoflavones. Soy isoflavones are now being touted as a healthy supplement for menopausal and pre-menopausal women for their "healthy estrogen" enhancing abilities.
Now, what about phytoestrogens as a breast enlarging or breast enhancing supplement? There are several products out there marketed as breast enlargement supplements using phytoestrogen technology combined with other natural herbs known for varying degrees of breast enhancing and hormone balancing qualities. The question is, do they work and are they healthy?
The answer to that is two-fold. You should never stay on any supplement like this for more than nine months at a time, as this may become harmful to your health since it is unnatural to sustain higher estrogen activity for such a long period.
However, under the correct usage and when used with proper diet, phytoestrogens can be used, and have been used, successfully to enlarge and enhance breasts, and even to alleviate symptoms of hormonal imbalance, decrease libido and other hormone-related issues common to women - especially premenopausal or menopausal women.
The bottom line is, we are only beginning to understand the benefits that natural phytoestrogens and phytoestrogen-based supplements can have for women, be it for purposes of breast health, breast enhancement, menopause symptoms relief, and hormonal imbalances.
One must be careful in choosing any phytoestrogen product, as they vary greatly in quality and purity standards. Examine the company you are buying from closely. Don't go on price alone - see if they have credible testimonials or a proven track record for success and quality.
This way, you can be sure to reap the full health and beauty benefits of introducing phytoestrogens into your diet!