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Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no???
May 7 2008 at 1:23 PM tianna (Login Tianna_86)
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Im so confused, everyone seems so divided on this. Some sites say they dont interfere, some say they do. I asked Deb on ebay, she said you cant take both, but I asked peuraria uk and they said its perfectly ok.
Which is it?!
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 7 2008, 8:18 PM
I am under the impression you need to ask the company that you are buying the product from.
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tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 7 2008, 9:53 PM
I guess your right, its so confusing though! What do you think about mixing it with other herbs? Ive seen other nbe pills where theres herbs and pm together, is this ok do you think? Like if I added pm to wonderup or something?
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Tianna May 7 2008, 10:44 PM
I don't know about mixing PM with other herbs. I would copy and paste that question and put it on the main board as I don't get much response from people in this section. I posted a question on the main board about possible NBE side effects and from the response from Hopeful was any NBE whatever it be can throw your hormones off. I guess your body needs an adjustment period. I am not used to having bleeding for 6 or more days. I will give it 3 months and maybe BCP will help?
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Tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 8 2008, 2:34 AM
They say that bcp balances hormones....i dont know though cuz doesnt it give you a fake period? Im on yasmin and i really like it. My periods are super light and short, and its made my skin nice and doesnt make me grumpy. So if your looking into bcp i recommend yasmin.
Also I saw you post in the main forum about how your boobs are now after breast-feeding, mine were like that too, and the pm cream really helps.
If you are going to try pm pills (not sure if you are already) peuraria uk is a lot better. They have a higher dose and its cheaper (ebay especially) and they say you can take it with bcp
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SoCal.grl
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SENIOR MEMBER Be careful! May 8 2008, 3:02 AM
Higher doses of Pueraria doesn't necessarily means it's better or more effective. Shell, who had amazing growth on (2 different commercial brands of) PM, developed a blood clot while using the UK brand:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th...+thombosis
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th.../FOR+SHELL
More info:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th...aria.co.uk
Also, one girl grew 14 cm (5.4 in) taking only 330 mg of Pueraria daily:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...nhancement
Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Tianna May 8 2008, 3:45 PM
Yeah my boobs are jelly like and my bigger boobs nipple is now inverted which I hate and think is sooo ugly. I am thinking about the PM pills but not sure if I should try them yet as I am just using the PM soap and am having the longest period of my life...also I am only 6 months post lactating and must be careful in what I use. I am seeing my OB at the end of this month because I normally have irregular periods and I think she will put me on the pill.
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pm gal
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 9 2008, 12:45 AM
i have no idea. this is a good question because im trying to do research on it too. the reason why full potential pm pills say not to use bcp with the pm pills is because their estrogen formulation is similar, so they end up blocking each other out or something... i dont know, something like that. either the bcp or pm pills or both dont work properly when used together. but thats why im not understanding why pueraria uk is saying bcp is okay to use with pm pills. if both of their main ingredients are pueraria mirifem, then the phytoestrogen business with bcp pills not working with full potential should be the same with the pueraria uk pills logically, right? im confused
i want to go on bcp (currently on the depo shot and i think its screwing up my estrogen levels) but i just started full potential.
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Tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 9 2008, 8:54 PM
im so confused with this too, is driving me crazy!!! because logically they should all be saying the same thing as is the same product essentially. Heres a copy of my email to peuraria uk:
HI ANNA
YES THEASE ARE SAFE TO TAKE WITH THE PILL TESTS HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE IS NO INTERATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO SHIPPING TO CANADA YES THIS IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL
REGARDS DJ
Anna Petrou wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering if you ship to canada and also if its ok to take Peuraria Mirifica while on the birth control pill?
Thank you!
Anna
Also, I dont care what anyone says, depo is horrible for you! I was on it for 2 years, and it made me psycho! we need to have a period =)
Kekie-the cream will really help with jelly boobs (lol) thats exactly how mine were, i hated it! Its like theres nothing in there almost. Dont worry the cream will get them fuller again. I wish I could keep the boobs I had when i was pregnant/breastfeeding lol they were huge!
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 10 2008, 4:54 PM
Well I would be happy if my boobs were even and both a 34B instead of A Bcup and an Acup. Also I do not like the inverted nipple that has happened since breastfeeding.
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tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 12 2008, 11:56 PM
hmmm, well maybe if your boobs do grow your nipple will pop back out, you know like your belly button when your pregnant? I dont know if you had it, but when i was preg, my belly button popped out, and then after birth it went back in, maybe your nipple will do the same
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pm gal
(no login) nuvaring? May 13 2008, 3:43 AM
i feel so bad about asking AGAIN about contraceptives and full potential, but it's because i lack the information. does anyone know if nuvaring is okay? i've tried emailing the company but they haven't gotten back to me. i know nuvaring has estrogen in it, but the websites only talk about birth control pills specifically and not contraceptives in general with estrogen in it. does anyone have any information about this?
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 13 2008, 4:04 AM
Well girls what pmgal said about blood clots is a scary thing so be careful and VERY aware of your body any aches pains or changes. I am inclined not to take the PM pills while on BCP. Have any of you asked your OB? I am 37 years old and had the nerve to talk to mine about NBE and she pretty much shrugged it off saying it didn't work.
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Redqueen13
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 16 2008, 10:25 PM
I've been using full potential for about two months and have been off the pill since then. When I was researching this product, they said you should not take the pill with it as FP could compromise the effectiveness of birth control pills.
And, I've also been doing a lot of reading lately on fertility and ovulation, hormones, etc. When I saw my doctor today, certain pieces started to click together.
The purpose of the pill is to keep your estrogen hormones at a low dose because when estrogen rises, the peak will cause you to ovulate and once you ovulate, progresterone becomes prominent and estrogen drops. So, it makes sense to me that going on high doses of estrogenic herbs (which i believe fenugreek is, which is in FP) would raise your estrogen level in your body so that it voids any affect the pill would have. Know what I mean? Estrogen is also responsible for "secondary sexual characteristics" = meaning breasts, which makes sense since all of these herbs we take with estrogenic properties are trying to mimic puberty and gives us more boobage. But the high level of estrogen means it would probably interfere with birth control pill's intention of keeping estrogen low and preventing ovulation.
I'd say if you don't want to risk a pregnancy or any other problems, go off the pill for a while and use some other form of contraception.
There's my shpiel!
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 18 2008, 3:05 PM
Redqueen that is good info thanks!
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Deb from ebay
(no login) The final word................ May 19 2008, 8:14 AM
PM should NOT be used with the BCP. The people at Pueraria UK are wrong . They do interact and compete for receptor sites within the body and can make both the BCP and the PM less than effective. The exception is the progesterone implant and the shot...depoprovera. All other estrogen based contraceptive methods including the patches should not be used with PM . Now I sell the products so I should know. I am looking for a new line that is not so expensive ...the st herb just went through the roof. I hope my comments helped some of you.
Deb
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pm gal
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 21 2008, 5:04 AM
then i wonder what's going on with the ladies who have breast size increase once they get on bcp. if its meant to keep your estrogen levels low, i wonder why some (lucky) women are still growing in breast size because of it?
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pm gal
(no login) wonderup + bcp May 21 2008, 5:32 AM
i know bcp + pm is a no-no. does anyone know if wonderup is okay to take with bcp? on the website, it says that wonderup is okay, but then again on certain pm websites, it also says its okay, but i would never take bcp with pm. if the ingredients of wonderup (fenugreek, saw palmetto.. etc.) are phytoestrogenic, i would think it has the same canceling effect with bcp. does anyone know?
(sorry i wrote this question on the wonderup forum, too, but it takes forever to get a reply from there)
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER pmgal May 21 2008, 5:02 PM
try posting this on the main forum as well if you don't get a response
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 2 2009, 11:33 AM
While I'm not completely sure on this issue of PM + BCP, I'm thiking it *might* be ok to take bother together, mainly because:
1 - Some people have deffinitely had sucess while on both.
2 - How much the PM and BCP compete depends on the number of the total hormones in your body vs the number of receptrs. And the number of receptors tends to be considerably higher than the number of hormones. This relationship can be observed in NBE from the recomended doses of herbs we take - up to say 5000 mg (varies) of estrgenic herbs, higher you stall. So this means that there is some extra room on the receptors and there is a dose of herbs you can take where the addition will still be greater than competition. And considering how small the dose os estradiol in BCPs is - about 30 micrograms, compared to the daily release of estradiol in the body - about 1-3 miligrams (varies with cycle), it would appear that the hormones in BCP don't take a lot of receptors away from the body's horomes, or the hormones in herbs. But I thik how much room you have left on the receptors may vary between herbs and also between individuals. So it comes down to trying to determine this optimal dose for each herb and also knowing how fast you stall. I dunno, maybe it's possible that for some people, those who stall quick (eg have relatively few estrogenic receptors) BCP and PM really would interfere too much and neither would work. But it's possible that for some people it wouldn't. I would not rely on contraception from BCP while taking it with PM tho.
Anyway this is just my theorising, I'm not 100% sure on anything, but I think there might be something to it.
Snowflake
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 12 2009, 11:48 AM
WonderUp and BCP,,, yes definitely OK.
PM and BO are very strong. A person runs the risk of having blood clots with both, but I do believe it depends on how strong ones BCP is, they are all different strengths. In both forums I have read women who used BCP and their chosen NBE, whether it be BO,PO or PM together and have been fine. I think you really have to know your body. Some have gone off BCP while doing BO or PM. I don't think there is a certain for sure answer for this question. Sorry
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 12 2009, 6:47 PM
I agree with you Snowflake about blood clot risk; I was only addressing the effectivity of PM with BCP for NBE. But the blood clot risk is deffinitely one to be taken into account.
May 7 2008 at 1:23 PM tianna (Login Tianna_86)
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Im so confused, everyone seems so divided on this. Some sites say they dont interfere, some say they do. I asked Deb on ebay, she said you cant take both, but I asked peuraria uk and they said its perfectly ok.
Which is it?!
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Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 7 2008, 8:18 PM
I am under the impression you need to ask the company that you are buying the product from.
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tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 7 2008, 9:53 PM
I guess your right, its so confusing though! What do you think about mixing it with other herbs? Ive seen other nbe pills where theres herbs and pm together, is this ok do you think? Like if I added pm to wonderup or something?
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Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Tianna May 7 2008, 10:44 PM
I don't know about mixing PM with other herbs. I would copy and paste that question and put it on the main board as I don't get much response from people in this section. I posted a question on the main board about possible NBE side effects and from the response from Hopeful was any NBE whatever it be can throw your hormones off. I guess your body needs an adjustment period. I am not used to having bleeding for 6 or more days. I will give it 3 months and maybe BCP will help?
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Tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 8 2008, 2:34 AM
They say that bcp balances hormones....i dont know though cuz doesnt it give you a fake period? Im on yasmin and i really like it. My periods are super light and short, and its made my skin nice and doesnt make me grumpy. So if your looking into bcp i recommend yasmin.
Also I saw you post in the main forum about how your boobs are now after breast-feeding, mine were like that too, and the pm cream really helps.
If you are going to try pm pills (not sure if you are already) peuraria uk is a lot better. They have a higher dose and its cheaper (ebay especially) and they say you can take it with bcp
Edit Message Delete Message
SoCal.grl
(Login SoCal.grl)
SENIOR MEMBER Be careful! May 8 2008, 3:02 AM
Higher doses of Pueraria doesn't necessarily means it's better or more effective. Shell, who had amazing growth on (2 different commercial brands of) PM, developed a blood clot while using the UK brand:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th...+thombosis
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th.../FOR+SHELL
More info:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/484965/th...aria.co.uk
Also, one girl grew 14 cm (5.4 in) taking only 330 mg of Pueraria daily:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...nhancement
Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Tianna May 8 2008, 3:45 PM
Yeah my boobs are jelly like and my bigger boobs nipple is now inverted which I hate and think is sooo ugly. I am thinking about the PM pills but not sure if I should try them yet as I am just using the PM soap and am having the longest period of my life...also I am only 6 months post lactating and must be careful in what I use. I am seeing my OB at the end of this month because I normally have irregular periods and I think she will put me on the pill.
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pm gal
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 9 2008, 12:45 AM
i have no idea. this is a good question because im trying to do research on it too. the reason why full potential pm pills say not to use bcp with the pm pills is because their estrogen formulation is similar, so they end up blocking each other out or something... i dont know, something like that. either the bcp or pm pills or both dont work properly when used together. but thats why im not understanding why pueraria uk is saying bcp is okay to use with pm pills. if both of their main ingredients are pueraria mirifem, then the phytoestrogen business with bcp pills not working with full potential should be the same with the pueraria uk pills logically, right? im confused
i want to go on bcp (currently on the depo shot and i think its screwing up my estrogen levels) but i just started full potential.Edit Message Delete Message
Tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 9 2008, 8:54 PM
im so confused with this too, is driving me crazy!!! because logically they should all be saying the same thing as is the same product essentially. Heres a copy of my email to peuraria uk:
HI ANNA
YES THEASE ARE SAFE TO TAKE WITH THE PILL TESTS HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE IS NO INTERATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO SHIPPING TO CANADA YES THIS IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL
REGARDS DJ
Anna Petrou
Hi,
I was wondering if you ship to canada and also if its ok to take Peuraria Mirifica while on the birth control pill?
Thank you!
Anna
Also, I dont care what anyone says, depo is horrible for you! I was on it for 2 years, and it made me psycho! we need to have a period =)
Kekie-the cream will really help with jelly boobs (lol) thats exactly how mine were, i hated it! Its like theres nothing in there almost. Dont worry the cream will get them fuller again. I wish I could keep the boobs I had when i was pregnant/breastfeeding lol they were huge!
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Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 10 2008, 4:54 PM
Well I would be happy if my boobs were even and both a 34B instead of A Bcup and an Acup. Also I do not like the inverted nipple that has happened since breastfeeding.
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tianna
(Login Tianna_86) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 12 2008, 11:56 PM
hmmm, well maybe if your boobs do grow your nipple will pop back out, you know like your belly button when your pregnant? I dont know if you had it, but when i was preg, my belly button popped out, and then after birth it went back in, maybe your nipple will do the same
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pm gal
(no login) nuvaring? May 13 2008, 3:43 AM
i feel so bad about asking AGAIN about contraceptives and full potential, but it's because i lack the information. does anyone know if nuvaring is okay? i've tried emailing the company but they haven't gotten back to me. i know nuvaring has estrogen in it, but the websites only talk about birth control pills specifically and not contraceptives in general with estrogen in it. does anyone have any information about this?
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Kekie
(Login Kekie)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 13 2008, 4:04 AM
Well girls what pmgal said about blood clots is a scary thing so be careful and VERY aware of your body any aches pains or changes. I am inclined not to take the PM pills while on BCP. Have any of you asked your OB? I am 37 years old and had the nerve to talk to mine about NBE and she pretty much shrugged it off saying it didn't work.
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Redqueen13
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 16 2008, 10:25 PM
I've been using full potential for about two months and have been off the pill since then. When I was researching this product, they said you should not take the pill with it as FP could compromise the effectiveness of birth control pills.
And, I've also been doing a lot of reading lately on fertility and ovulation, hormones, etc. When I saw my doctor today, certain pieces started to click together.
The purpose of the pill is to keep your estrogen hormones at a low dose because when estrogen rises, the peak will cause you to ovulate and once you ovulate, progresterone becomes prominent and estrogen drops. So, it makes sense to me that going on high doses of estrogenic herbs (which i believe fenugreek is, which is in FP) would raise your estrogen level in your body so that it voids any affect the pill would have. Know what I mean? Estrogen is also responsible for "secondary sexual characteristics" = meaning breasts, which makes sense since all of these herbs we take with estrogenic properties are trying to mimic puberty and gives us more boobage. But the high level of estrogen means it would probably interfere with birth control pill's intention of keeping estrogen low and preventing ovulation.
I'd say if you don't want to risk a pregnancy or any other problems, go off the pill for a while and use some other form of contraception.
There's my shpiel!
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Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 18 2008, 3:05 PM
Redqueen that is good info thanks!
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Deb from ebay
(no login) The final word................ May 19 2008, 8:14 AM
PM should NOT be used with the BCP. The people at Pueraria UK are wrong . They do interact and compete for receptor sites within the body and can make both the BCP and the PM less than effective. The exception is the progesterone implant and the shot...depoprovera. All other estrogen based contraceptive methods including the patches should not be used with PM . Now I sell the products so I should know. I am looking for a new line that is not so expensive ...the st herb just went through the roof. I hope my comments helped some of you.
Deb
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pm gal
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? May 21 2008, 5:04 AM
then i wonder what's going on with the ladies who have breast size increase once they get on bcp. if its meant to keep your estrogen levels low, i wonder why some (lucky) women are still growing in breast size because of it?
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pm gal
(no login) wonderup + bcp May 21 2008, 5:32 AM
i know bcp + pm is a no-no. does anyone know if wonderup is okay to take with bcp? on the website, it says that wonderup is okay, but then again on certain pm websites, it also says its okay, but i would never take bcp with pm. if the ingredients of wonderup (fenugreek, saw palmetto.. etc.) are phytoestrogenic, i would think it has the same canceling effect with bcp. does anyone know?
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i wrote this question on the wonderup forum, too, but it takes forever to get a reply from there)Edit Message Delete Message
Kekie
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SENIOR MEMBER pmgal May 21 2008, 5:02 PM
try posting this on the main forum as well if you don't get a response
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 2 2009, 11:33 AM
While I'm not completely sure on this issue of PM + BCP, I'm thiking it *might* be ok to take bother together, mainly because:
1 - Some people have deffinitely had sucess while on both.
2 - How much the PM and BCP compete depends on the number of the total hormones in your body vs the number of receptrs. And the number of receptors tends to be considerably higher than the number of hormones. This relationship can be observed in NBE from the recomended doses of herbs we take - up to say 5000 mg (varies) of estrgenic herbs, higher you stall. So this means that there is some extra room on the receptors and there is a dose of herbs you can take where the addition will still be greater than competition. And considering how small the dose os estradiol in BCPs is - about 30 micrograms, compared to the daily release of estradiol in the body - about 1-3 miligrams (varies with cycle), it would appear that the hormones in BCP don't take a lot of receptors away from the body's horomes, or the hormones in herbs. But I thik how much room you have left on the receptors may vary between herbs and also between individuals. So it comes down to trying to determine this optimal dose for each herb and also knowing how fast you stall. I dunno, maybe it's possible that for some people, those who stall quick (eg have relatively few estrogenic receptors) BCP and PM really would interfere too much and neither would work. But it's possible that for some people it wouldn't. I would not rely on contraception from BCP while taking it with PM tho.
Anyway this is just my theorising, I'm not 100% sure on anything, but I think there might be something to it.
Snowflake
(no login) Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 12 2009, 11:48 AM
WonderUp and BCP,,, yes definitely OK.
PM and BO are very strong. A person runs the risk of having blood clots with both, but I do believe it depends on how strong ones BCP is, they are all different strengths. In both forums I have read women who used BCP and their chosen NBE, whether it be BO,PO or PM together and have been fine. I think you really have to know your body. Some have gone off BCP while doing BO or PM. I don't think there is a certain for sure answer for this question. Sorry
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Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ok, once and for all-the pill and PM, yes or no??? February 12 2009, 6:47 PM
I agree with you Snowflake about blood clot risk; I was only addressing the effectivity of PM with BCP for NBE. But the blood clot risk is deffinitely one to be taken into account.