17-06-2012, 11:51 AM
Hi Isabelle,
So if I have this right you cut your dosage in half ... and last night was the 1st night of the change.
Here's the 6 things that you listed that hops influence
1. It binds to melatonin receptors, setting the clock to night time.
2. It binds to serotonin receptors.
3. It binds to estrogen receptors.
4. It decreases DHT.
5. It increases dopamine.
6. It decreases LH in high doses.
I don't think binding is going to clear that quickly and LH always moves kinda behind changes. That leaves 4 ... DHT and 5 ... dopamine. I guess it could have been one of those two ...
I've never tried any "real deal" hops ... but I have tried lots of changes in the amount of hops that I've taken ... I have not seen a "predictable" overnight change in any symptom when changing hops dosages. There have been times that I "thought" I saw a pattern ... but it was quick to change over the next day or two to the point of not being a "valid and predictable" result.
For what it's worth there have been times when I "thought I was on to something" ... only to find out that I wasn't.
You idea of repeating the dosages and maintaining a level a little longer may help determine a cause/effect. I also found that "other changes" (like what I had to eat on any given day) seeming to play a role in what I was experiencing.
Oh Yeah ... and for me ... cause I don't have the years of expereince in this that you do ... I think that often times I "made myself think" I had it figured out.
Some of my thoughts here too ... you've been "doing some pretty heavy thinking" lately ... or so it seems. And you posted this "I was hoping my libido, activity level, mood, social life, and drive to start all kinds of big projects would jump start." It sure does make me think about that "rut" that you talked about is what you want to get out of. Maybe, just maybe, that you need to change somethings in your life too and not just your herbal program. There are lots of things around us every day that can influence how we feel besides herbs.
People on this board ... and believe me I respect them all and I'm not telling them that they should do anything differently than they want ... but there are cases where people have become dependant on "herbs and such" making them feel a certain way .... I'm not pointing to anyone ... it's all in general terms ... POINT BEING that there are lots more things in our lives that make us "feel" the way we do ... sometimes we "mask" those things never realizing what the true factors are.
Hugs to all ... karen
So if I have this right you cut your dosage in half ... and last night was the 1st night of the change.
Here's the 6 things that you listed that hops influence
1. It binds to melatonin receptors, setting the clock to night time.
2. It binds to serotonin receptors.
3. It binds to estrogen receptors.
4. It decreases DHT.
5. It increases dopamine.
6. It decreases LH in high doses.
I don't think binding is going to clear that quickly and LH always moves kinda behind changes. That leaves 4 ... DHT and 5 ... dopamine. I guess it could have been one of those two ...
I've never tried any "real deal" hops ... but I have tried lots of changes in the amount of hops that I've taken ... I have not seen a "predictable" overnight change in any symptom when changing hops dosages. There have been times that I "thought" I saw a pattern ... but it was quick to change over the next day or two to the point of not being a "valid and predictable" result.
For what it's worth there have been times when I "thought I was on to something" ... only to find out that I wasn't.
You idea of repeating the dosages and maintaining a level a little longer may help determine a cause/effect. I also found that "other changes" (like what I had to eat on any given day) seeming to play a role in what I was experiencing.
Oh Yeah ... and for me ... cause I don't have the years of expereince in this that you do ... I think that often times I "made myself think" I had it figured out.
Some of my thoughts here too ... you've been "doing some pretty heavy thinking" lately ... or so it seems. And you posted this "I was hoping my libido, activity level, mood, social life, and drive to start all kinds of big projects would jump start." It sure does make me think about that "rut" that you talked about is what you want to get out of. Maybe, just maybe, that you need to change somethings in your life too and not just your herbal program. There are lots of things around us every day that can influence how we feel besides herbs.
People on this board ... and believe me I respect them all and I'm not telling them that they should do anything differently than they want ... but there are cases where people have become dependant on "herbs and such" making them feel a certain way .... I'm not pointing to anyone ... it's all in general terms ... POINT BEING that there are lots more things in our lives that make us "feel" the way we do ... sometimes we "mask" those things never realizing what the true factors are.
Hugs to all ... karen