03-08-2012, 03:58 AM
(25-07-2012, 11:32 AM)Isabelle Wrote: Thank you GorgeousBlonde
And welcome jesse191,
At normal NBE doses, there will be no effect. Even if there is one at high doses, it will be reversible.
I'm not a fan of red clover. The publication you linked says it's 50/50 phyto-estrogens/phyto-progestins. The progestins are not useful for a male starting NBE. They also limit the dose of estrogens you can take without stopping your growth.
All herbs in that study were tested at 2,000 mg. So at that dose, it's effective. You have to compare your body weight to the average body weight of the test subjects in the study. If you weigh more, you need more.
Red clover is one of the expensive herbs. The capsules are only 375 mg, which means you need at least five. A bottle of 100 will last 20 days at best. At $ 6.29, that's $ 10 a month. I take eight herbs and a multivitamin, and the whole program costs € 20 a month, that's $ 30.
Hi Isabelle,
Hope you are doing well, and thanks for your advice.
I am currently 1 week into NBE, and I've used red clover pill (Promensil) which contains 40mg standardised isoflavone, equivalent to 2.5g dry herbs. Due to I'm new, I've taken half the pill per day to monitor any side effect, and I'm upping it to 1 full pill a day from today onwards
However, my B-U actually went down from 10cm to 8cm, not sure if its the red clover side effect or is it my cardio exercise (I lost 3kg last week).
I also plan to start taking fenugreek (from gnc, which contains 610mg of seed powder each pill) and soymilk drink, but not sure when should I start taking these and how much should I take.
Been spending most of my time reading this thread, have to say i'm darn lucky to have found this