[eun kyung choi]

Hello everyone!
I have been doing NBE for the last 2 1/2 months. I have seen some small changes. I know it is still early and have a long way to go. My current program is:

2 FG
2 SP
RC Extract
all herbs taken 3x a day.
Massage with flax seed and wild yam extract 1-2 times per day
Multivitamin
400 mg folic acid

-just started 2000 mg milkthistle.

Does my plan sound good? My first month on NBE my period was 4 days late. I stopped all pills and then my period came two days later. I also lost all swelling that I had achieved.

Month 2- started pm once my period ended. Took if for 14 days along with 5 sp (500mg). After the pm I went back to my original routine. I have pain in both breast and very sensitive nipples. Hopefully they r growing. They do feel fuller.
My period was due 7 days ago. Is this something I need to worry about? I am afraid to stop the herbs for fear all progress will be lost again. I don't know what to do. I want my period so I can cycle the pm again. Although when on pm I felt nothing. (I now it was only one cycle and it does take time.)
Starting 34 a - barely.

** if I add vitex will that regulate my cycle?

Please someone give me some guidance it is greatly appreciated.

[gbabe]

hi eun kyung choi I believe that if you cycle pm then you have to take it only up to 1 to 2 days before you ovulate. It sounds like you postponed your ovulation and maybe overdosed on pm? how much pm did you take daily?

I never used vitex but some of the girls here say it could help. Also progesterone cream is good for regaining balance if you use it the last 2 weeks of your cycle after ovulation. Milk thistle is also a good hormone balancer.

Hope this helps

[eun kyung choi]

Thanks for the response!
Once my period ended I took 1 p m pill (500 mg) per day for 7 days. The followings days I took 2 pills (1000mg) per day. I took pm for a total of 14 days and that was all.

[eun kyung choi]

Should I stop my herbs so my period will come? I am not sure what to do. These last few days I have felt very bloated and uncomfortable in my skin. Haven't gained any unwanted weight, which is a good thing. Still 117lbs. Please some one advise. Thanks.

[gbabe]

yes I would definitely stop the pm and wait for my period. If you have progesterone cream you can use that every day until your period comes and then start your pm experiments all over after you get your period. Do you know when you usually ovulate? I took 500mg pm a day from day 2 until day 10 and still delayed my ovulation. Its some pretty strong stuff! In my opinion 1000mg (actually even 500mg can be too much for some people especially if they are starting for the first time) is way too much but you can research more about the dosing yourself and make your own choice.
Have you read Ginie's program? It's called "generic bo this time around" she started it with bo but then switched to pm. Shes got alot of good info about cycling pm. I love her thread and based my own program off of hers. I just got a different pm that is only 100mg per capsule (siriporn like what Ginie used) and going to use it instead for my next cycle since it should be easier to regulate the dose with it.

Good luck I hope you get your period. You can still make it work just need to reset things and focus on getting your cycle back to normal for now. And please be careful with pm its Really Strong!! I will check in later

[gbabe]

PS. also read on here somewhere that it is better not to mix pm with other herbs since pm is already a really strong phytoestrogen. But different people may tell you different so its better to read and do your own research.

[eun kyung choi]

Thanks for listening. I appreciate all your advice Gordybabe. Well tonight I noticed that my period might come very soon. ( very light spotting) so hopefully its going to make an appearance.

I am also wondering if I should put a hold on the pm indefinitely because I am seeing some results with just my other herbs. I just got some lamb placenta in the mail today. Hoping it will incourage my growth. We shall see.

I will look into ginie's program. I want to learn as much as possible about NBE. I thought it was okay to cycle pm and the other herbs just as long as u were not taking them at the same time.

[eun kyung choi]

So.... Today Auntie Flow arrived like nobody's business. .
My question now is should I continue with my herbs (Fg sp rc I also mix wy extract with my flaxseed oil-topical application) OR should I start the pm once my period ends . Only take it for 14 days then stop. After the 14 days start back on my other herbs until my period returns?
I just felt like I did not gain anything when I was on pm before. (I know it was only the first time I ever used it. I probaby should give it more time).

With the other herbs I had a lot of swelling, tenderness and firmness. I felt like it was really working for me. Slowly bit surely.

Pm is supposed to be so much stronger than the other herbs. Why did I not get any feelings of promise in that area?

Thanks.

[Kaitlyn Kitten]

So.... Today Auntie Flow arrived like nobody's business. .
My question now is should I continue with my herbs (Fg sp rc I also mix wy extract with my flaxseed oil-topical application) OR should I start the pm once my period ends . Only take it for 14 days then stop. After the 14 days start back on my other herbs until my period returns?
I just felt like I did not gain anything when I was on pm before. (I know it was only the first time I ever used it. I probaby should give it more time).

With the other herbs I had a lot of swelling, tenderness and firmness. I felt like it was really working for me. Slowly bit surely.

Pm is supposed to be so much stronger than the other herbs. Why did I not get any feelings of promise in that area?

Thanks.

You sound as if your taking the herbs on the wrong days.

You have two phase in your cycle. Follicular is that first half, the day your period starts to the day you ovulate. Then you have you Luteal Phase, after you ovulate till your period starts.
The day your period starts is day 1, so if you start taking FG when your period ends then you should only take it till day 12-13 so you can ovulate on day 14-15. Then you're in your luteal phase where progesterone should be more prominent.