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Tiran1
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October 2nd, 2009, 4:59 pm #1 2009-10-02T15:59
JANE!
Thank you for your answer!!!!
I am new to this board so I do not know the rules here...BUT Could you please advice me on which brand to choose??? I think as insider you know it better!!
I know you said ''common sense will take you there''...but mine, when it comes to NBE, is absent )))I alredy bought Ainterol 3-mnth supply, before that St herb from ebay with a dodgy looking sticker ( i guess it was a fake)...
I tried to google Dr Wichai Cherdshewasart...thought m.b he endorses some brand...but looks like no, or may be I just couldn't find...
Then i thought may be Solgar is a good choice as they have reputation to risk...but looks like no gurantees here as well..
SO PLEASE, JANE, TELL ME WHICH 1 TO BUY...I live in UK, not planning to go to Thailand so it should be sth available through internet...
if you are worried writing it here, please e-mail me on inovozhilova@yahoo.co.uk.
Thank you!!!
DebfromEbay
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October 10th, 2009, 10:13 pm #2 2009-10-10T21:13
Just a comment here. The brand that Siriporn makes..the Ro-Bust Cream and the PM Cultivar Caps...The scientist that developed these is a friend and co- worker with Dr Wichai Cherdshewasart. He has studied and worked with him in the past. I am not saying the Dr. endorses this brand..I doubt he would do that unless it was his own. But the Ro-Bust people have good contacts and affiliates.
Tiran1
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October 11th, 2009, 3:43 pm #3 2009-10-11T14:43
Hi Deb!! Thank you for sharing this info with me!!! Do you know anything about effectiveness of this brand??? I don't know much about it (.
Is it a way to go ??
thanks again
Joysangiam
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October 13th, 2009, 9:16 am #4 2009-10-13T08:16
Try the Femagis Breast cream, you should be able to find it in Europe or online.
Optimistic Girl
December 6th, 2009, 6:33 pm #5 2009-12-06T18:33
TEST EXAMPLE 2
Application as Food Aid or Functional Food to Pre-Menopausal Female
Extracts derived from Pueraria mirifica according to the present invention were used as food aids or functional foods and consumed by 97 healthy women who were pre-menopausal and 20-45 years old, as shown in Table 8, below.
TABLE 8
Medicinal Efficacy of Extract from Pueraria mirifica as
Food Aid or Functional Food
Placebo 400 mg/day 800 mg/day
No. of Subjects 31 32 34
Breast Pain 31 14 32
Smooth Skin 31 28 32
Hair Complexity 31 24 30
Charasma Clearness 3/3 4/4
Smooth Vaginal Secretion 31 14 29
Smooth Menstruation 31 2 10
Breast Resilience 31 13 30
Breast Enlargement 31 3 28
Hip Enlargement 31 3 20
31 subjects in a placebo group were each administered 2 tapioca starch capsules a day every other day for 2 months from the first day of their menstruation. All parameters measured in this placebo group were shown not to undergo a significant change.
32 subjects in a first treatment group were each administered 2 Pueraria mirifica capsules, each having 200 mg, per day in the same conditions as in the placebo group. Significant improvements were brought about in various parameters, including breast or bust pain (44%) which partially resulted from breast or bust firmness and enlargement, smooth skin (88%), healthy hair (75%), charasma clearness (100%), vaginal secretion (44%), smooth menstruation (6%), breast or bust firmness (44%) and enlargement (9%), and hip enlargement (9%).
33 subjects in the second treatment group were each administered 4 Pueraria mirifica capsules, each having 200 mg, per day in the same conditions as in the placebo group. After 2 months of the administration, greater improvements were found in all of the parameters measured, including breast or bust pain (94%), healthy hair (88%), charasma clearness (100%), smooth vaginal secretion (85%), breast or bust firmness (94%) and enlargement (88%), and hip enlargement (59%). In some subjects, blood cholesterol levels were observed to decrease after the administration.
Consequently, food aids or functional foods comprising the extract derived from Pueraria mirifica can increase feminine sex appeal through improvement in skin condition, hair complexity, and breast firmness and enlargement.
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Sorry if my question is silly. But according to this, does it mean if I am 23 years old, I should have 800mg of PM per day to achieve better result?
Philli1
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December 7th, 2009, 3:20 pm #6 2009-12-07T15:20
Optimistic Girl... What it means is that although both groups showed increase breast growth, those with double dosage showed a bit more than those with the regular dosage.
It would appear that they were given 100mg capsules, but generally speaking PM is usally available in 300mg caps. So...if you take two of those a day you will be in the middle of the two groups as regards daily comsumption.
Dont let the words 'breast pain' frighten you. They are simply 'growing' pains resulting in firmer breasts.
Dont be fooled into thinking an American product is 'safer' than a Thailand product because there is no such thing. PM grows only in Northern Thailand and it's the soil that gives PM its unique 'power'. Cultivated Ainterol PM is not grown in Thailand and it doesnt work like the rest of the original PM varieties.
If you buy American, you will be paying, in some cases, 10 times the amount for the same thing you can get direct...if you have Paypal. Dont worry if you cant read the writing on the bottle...it's not hard to remember....'Zake 2 a day'.
Tiran1
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December 7th, 2009, 6:53 pm #7 2009-12-07T18:53
Hi, )))
Still very interesting that bringing the dosage up from 400mg to 800mg gave a considerably higher response in breast growth!!!
St herb does caps in 200 mg grown in Thai farm...they reccomend taking 4 a day for 15days on-off. And I think I saw the same report on their web site. OMG, with all this confusion it is soooo difficult to establish the right dose!!! I think brand that Deb mentioned earlier also have it in either 200 or even only 100.
Philli,
How do you know that Ainterol's PM isn't grown in Thailand??? I think all PM come from there....??? and their web site isn't informative at all.
Optimistic Girl,
I don't think that the study you posted here does assume that if you are 23 you need a higher dosage than some one older than you...I read it somewhere here and saw it somewhere else (on Premium Pueraria website I think)that women who are in or after menopause do need a higher dose...But as I mention before people on this board as well as manufacturers all have different opinions on dosage, it is quite tricky! Some take 1000mg, some say that even going above 200mg is asking for trouble ...I hope it will clear up somehow !!)))
Tiran1
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December 7th, 2009, 6:54 pm #8 2009-12-07T18:54
Hi, )))
Still very interesting that bringing the dosage up from 400mg to 800mg gave a considerably higher response in breast growth!!!
St herb does caps in 200 mg grown in Thai farm...they reccomend taking 4 a day for 15days on-off. And I think I saw the same report on their web site. OMG, with all this confusion it is soooo difficult to establish the right dose!!! I think brand that Deb mentioned earlier also have it in either 200 or even only 100.
Philli,
How do you know that Ainterol's PM isn't grown in Thailand??? I think all PM come from there....??? and their web site isn't informative at all.
Optimistic Girl,
I don't think that the study you posted here does assume that if you are 23 you need a higher dosage than some one older than you...I read it somewhere here and saw it somewhere else (on Premium Pueraria website I think)that women who are in or after menopause do need a higher dose...But as I mention before people on this board as well as manufacturers all have different opinions on dosage, it is quite tricky! Some take 1000mg, some say that even going above 200mg is asking for trouble ...I hope it will clear up somehow !!)))
Sarah
December 8th, 2009, 12:20 am #9 2009-12-08T00:20
Philli,
I am not sure why you say Ainterol is not effective. I thought so too, only because so many people on this forum have given it a bad name. I have been using Ainterol for almost 2 months so far with no problems. I receive all the benefits, like the great skin and the breast enlargement as well. I take the recommended dosage of 500 mg twice a day except during my period, when I take none.
I have gone from an small B to almost a full C. So I am happy! I will buy more and I continue to take this PM for at least 10 months. Then I will take a maintenance dose, probably forever! I'm joking, not forever but for a while because I love all the other benefits like my hair growth, clear skin, and energy.
I took herbs before and didn't like the way I felt after taking them, although I did experience fullness in my breasts. I was scared to try Ainterol because of all the bad comments, but most of them were not from people who were even taking PM. I am thinking those comments were from those who didn't know much about PM, or were on the forum to promote a more expensive brand.
I am glad that I at least gave it a try for myself or else I would have just thrown away these pills thinking that they don't work.
IGNORANCE IS A CRIME!
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December 8th, 2009, 3:06 am #10 2009-12-08T03:06
Girls
You still don't seem to get it. Anterol is grown in Thailand but its wild, wild junk.
Its does not have very much miroestrol and no deoxymiroestrol.
The farm cultivars are something entirely different, St Herb is in Thailand. Because of there irresponsible recommendations..........no more Pueraria mirifica capsules in Japan. They are a rinky dink little company with no liabilities. There recomendations will get PM capsules banned in England and the US.
Yes 800 mg/ day works better. The problem is young women don't understand the topicals work far better.
Why do you insist om taking large amount of capsules. DO YOU SEE A MAJOR RESPONSIBLE SUPPLEMENT COMPANY MAKING PM CAPSULES WITH THESE DOSAGES FOR BREAST ENLARGEMENT IN THE US ...NO! Why? they don't want the liabilities!!!
Are you starting to get it!
C
Philli1
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December 8th, 2009, 8:55 am #11 2009-12-08T08:55
Carla, I'm afraid its you who just doesn't get it. You dont see American companies producing it BECAUSE they cant get thier hands on enough of it. PM is not a product that can be produced artificially like most American drugs. There's no need to mix it with anything to make a cocktail pill like all American bust improvement tabs which dont work.
It's a Thai product, home grown...it's thier discovery, and they are hanging onto it....and why not. You'd be surprised how many great products come from OUTSIDE America. Expand your horizons, young lady and realise that there is a world out there that does not have Made in USA stamped on it.
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December 8th, 2009, 10:21 am #12 2009-12-08T10:21
Dear grasshopper
my company has tons of it just awaiting US companies to buy it. They are scared ****less.
We have tons and it won't be enough when it takes off. I speak to industry people all the time. Not only are
they scared of it...they are more scared of consumers doing exactly what your doing and so is the FDA.
A little heat from the press and the FDA will go after it.......simple as that.
What percentage of the population is now using ....a fraction like 00000001 per cent of world pop.
Philli1
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December 8th, 2009, 10:35 am #13 2009-12-08T10:35
Didn't somebody once say that women with small breasts are more intelligent than those with bigger breasts?
One thing seems sure...logic and common sense seems to be lacking a lot on this Forum. The eternal question never seems to get answered.. How many should I take a day?
For those wishing to put thier troubled minds at rest.. here is the answer. Whichever product you buy from the internet, READ the manufacturers recommendations for daily dosage. If they say 'take 2 a day' ..do it, while you are using THAT product. If you change to a different brand and they say 'Take 3 a day' ...do it while using THAT brand. Is is so difficult to follow the instruction related to the particular brand you are using?.
If you wish to OD because you want huge boobs tomorrow, go ahead, but dont come back here complaining that the product made you ill.
All 'Pill' manufacturers have a responsibilitiy to thier customers to give a recommended dosage of thier product. If you READ the information given on thier Webpage or Ebay site instead of listening to some of the bimbos on this Forum, you should be very satisfied with your results.
There are far more difficult problems to solve in this life such as Why are Hotdogs sold in 10 packs and buns only in 8 packs?
carlaa1124
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December 8th, 2009, 11:16 am #14 2009-12-08T11:16
that's just it Philli. Pill MFG have a responsibility in your country to give responsible recommendations.
that is the key phrase...in their country. St herb does not make these type of recommendations in Thailand but
they do it when they send stuff overseas.
MFG from Thailand are not multi-million dollar companies and don't have anything to loose. Consequently they
will cut off their nose to spite their face for fast money. Try and sue them. You can't. If they make you
sick good luck.
My point your not grasping.........these little **** companies have nothing to loose. The major MFG ARE NOT MAKING this stuff yet. They will not provide wacko recommendations when they do make it.....because they are scared ****less of getting of lawsuits.
EBAY.......ITS the lowest common denomnator of cheap....anything goes, alot of the stuff there is stolen!
get it
Philli1
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December 8th, 2009, 1:00 pm #15 2009-12-08T13:00
Good grief Carla, you cetainly do have a 'thing' against Thai companies, dont you? And against Ebay, it would seem. Sure, Ebay is not responsible for the items offered for sale, but, believe it or not, they do have scruples and take action against questionable suppliers....at least here in Germany they do. And I'm sure people aren't stealing PM pills from other sellers apart from American concerns who repackage them and up the price 500%.
And getting back to companies responsibilities, The Thai concerns have realised that they are sitting on a goldmine with PM and have a product that American companies cannot compete with. They would be foolish to make rash and dangerous recommendations as to its useage and risk lawsuits that would mean it being banned for sale outside its own country. Sure, American companies would love to see that happen, but the only people abusing it are those, like here on this Forum, who willingly OD in the hope of acheiving bigger boobs quicker than 'normal growth'.
If such a lawsuit were to ban its sale and an American company was able to sell it...at a very hiked price, people would still mis-use it anyway.
Tiran1
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December 8th, 2009, 3:20 pm #16 2009-12-08T15:20
Hi Philli,
I will try to explain you how and why many on this forum feel about this dosage issue as I am the one who keeps bringing it up here.
The reason why I don't rely on the directions that written on the bottle is not because I can't read it or have trouble following someone else's directions. You see I thought that St Herb is a big manufacturer there in Thailand, but now I do have doubts from reading what Carla said about them. Why I start having doubt??BECAUSE there is no mean for me to know for sure because I am in UK, have never been to Thailand, speak no Thai, have none I know who lives there....what is the way for me to research this company???? ???? May be they are reliable, may be not....may be their business strategy is to become industry leader...but may be as well their strategy is to ''hit and run''...the chances are even! At the worst scenario than can put whatever they like in the shell and ship it....now ebay is a separate story...plenty of sellers, some are selling genuine ''stHerbs'' some sell fake ones at least theoretically! There is no way ebay can do a due diligence!!!
I know that Germany is very strict in protecting its consumer (I lived there for 2 years), but I doubt that it is simply doable to control e-bay sellers...In that sense that PM is allowed in Germany=PM is probably safe, but do they research every manufacture or seller, I doubt...but it is only my opinion. And, no Philli, I am not Thai phobic or dont trust ''other'' countries , I am grateful to Thailand for the PM, don't get me wrong...
All this brands are have different directions on their bottles from 50mg to 1000mg. I don't have an access to reliable research papers on PM. Even that research that Optimistic Girl put in here is very confusing....there is no recommendation from reliable sources. There is no way knowing for sure which manufacturer is reliable and who's only *** trying to jump on the bandwagon to make quick $$$.
I still take my chance with PM. Even with all the gaps in information. I stick to the safer side...the reason I keep asking the same question again and again is because I hope may be someone have better resources to research it...not because I can't get a grip!!!
And there should be a consensus on the dosage. Just like in drugs there is Nurofen with Ibuprofen but there are also generic brands...but because they still have same Ibuprofen in it the recommended dosage is the same as with Nurofen. I do understand that that with Herbs there is a issue of purity, etc but the range can't vary from 50 mg to 1000mg. I rest my case! I hope I made it clear!
PS sorry for the ''book'' I've written...
Tiran1
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December 8th, 2009, 3:23 pm #17 2009-12-08T15:23
I wish we could bring this famous professor (sorry, can't remember his name) to this board and he could enlighten us ))) as we are the pioneering consumers (outside of Thailand))) and very dedicated ones!!
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December 9th, 2009, 7:06 am #18 2009-12-09T07:06
Hi Philli,
First of all, I apologize from everyone here for writing this message (which is useless except Phili). But I feel offended about Phili's calling people bimbos or pathetics or all the other stuff, and I don't want to feel like this anymore. I was enjoying reading all the different experience and ideas of people until recently. And don't want this negative energy she is bringing in by approaching people you don't understand, you don't know, you can't read blah blah.
Phili, I seriuosly can't see the reason why you keep attacking people here in this forum about their knowledge or level of IQ. Do you think you are a genius just because you are "capable" of reading an Ebay page or instructions on a pill?
See the higher level of intelligence: There is no CONSISTENCY about the dosage and as well as cycling of PM between companies even tough they are talking about the SAME PRODUCT which is PM, and you can also see this if you read enough. It is not about reading!!! or a problem in capturing what you read! That's why people here keep asking and sharing their knowledge which is the main purpose of a forum.
Now I went and bring my PM which is the same one as you're using, I am typing out what it writes on it:
1 capsule each time
1 time daily after meal
Now I am copying and pasting what is written on Ebay page that I ordered:
Dosage
1 capsule after meal daily
So what does this mean? To me it seems like only 1 a day. But if you take 1 capsule after each meal it may make 3 at the same time or depending on your meals it may be 2.
Or if you listen to bimbos here such as yourself at the first place, talking about taking 2 at the beginning but ramping to 4 capsules/a day to confuse your body and be able to see the effect of it.
It is you who was taking 4/a day of these ones in the noogleberry forum. You must already be aware of what you wrote. In another post Tinaz also mentioned about how you told people that you were using 4/ a day of these ones in noogleberry forum and now coming here and telling people that they are taking too many because of Greed to grow.(her post is at the end of this long message)
The main purpose of this forum is to learn and to share, not to insult, you should better watch your language. I have been reading this forum every day for 10 months even tough I couldn't write much earlier and I didn't see an attacker like you before except the spammers. People including me as well as Tiran and many others asked about dosage or cycling before since there are many different views and we re trying to learn. Instead of insulting people try to LEARN at the firsr place.
And I am writing all these stuff because I am also aware of the problem which was caused by you and the way you talked in noogleberry forum when Tinaz SIMPLY asked you the colour of your PM. So if you don't want to be warned by the moderator as you were once warned in Noogleberry forum because of the way you talk, you should better know your boundaries.
Tina Z
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 13 2009, 12:08 AM
Actually, Philli said she was taking 4 pills a day on the noogleberry forum. At 300mg that's 1200mg a day! Everyday! Apparently she had no adverse side effects from taking such a high dosage.
It is funny because she said earlier that "are they telling us everything?", saying that girls on here are overdosing which is why PM gives them side effects. It seems that every woman's body is the same so PM should work for everyone, at least Philli is spreading that word!
I think 300mg a day everyday may be fine, if you are lacking estrogen. But I wonder what kind of PM she was taking. Personally, I would say that is a weaker type of PM. Especially if you can take so much without anything side effects.
I had asked Philli what color the powder was inside of the pills and she said I was asking dumb questions. I asked some sellers on ebay and the powder is brown. I am not sure what that means but I know Bella's and some other brands are either beige or white.
If anyone can help me to understand why there are 3 different colors of PM, that would be great! Because I am thinking there should be some consistency, if they are all PM.
Philli1
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December 9th, 2009, 8:33 am #19 2009-12-09T08:33
First off, I didn't appreciate Carla using my login name to say 'You're as thick as a brick'.
Secondly... I've learned over the years that it is wrong to namby pamby people so as not to hurt thier feelings. Hard truth and facts usually wake them up to reality. The main question being asked here...what people really want to know...is NOT how many should I take a day...but How many CAN I take a day. Give a girl a pill and say this will make your breasts grow and she's going to want to know how many she can take to make them grow faster and bigger.
When I was taking 4 a day, they were 100mg capsules. I switched to 2 300mg capsules a days because in the long run, it was cheaper.
When I was taking 2 a day, (I only take 1 now), it was after brekkie and after dinner.
Also, I never called anybody (any girls here) pathetic. I was referring to the Manly attitude in the world that we need big boobs to be successful.
Generally speaking, if you are using 300mg capsules, 2 a day is safe whether you take them both at Brekkie or after two meals.
When I read on here about girls who take everyday a cocktail of PM, Saw Palmetto, Fenugreek, and MSM...all at the same time, I can only shake my head. And you think I'm being reckless. I care more about my health that you can possibly imagine.
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December 9th, 2009, 4:03 pm #20 2009-12-09T16:03
Philli,
Salome,I agree with you. It doesn't help anyone to come on a forum FOR breast enhancement and call others names about enhancing their breasts when you (PHILLI) are doing the same thing. I have been reading posts without trying to start any conflicts but enough is enough. Why do you even come on this forum? Clearly you are not helping anyone by leaving rude and unwanted remarks. We are all here for the same reason, to gain bigger/firmer/rounder/fuller breasts AND to help each other. I am really turned off from the noogleberry forum and eve's forum because of you Philli.
Just because you have "so-called" E size breasts, that does not give you the right to treat others with disrespect. If you don't have anything nice to say just DON'T say anything at all, because you are not helping AT ALL. I learn nothing from your posts, which makes them pointless to me. I am here to gather information and to read about different experiences with PM and to try to help others if I can be letting them know my experience.
Just because PM worked for you that does not mean it will work for everyone. But I guess you know nothing about the human body because no 2 bodies are alike. At first on thought you had some knowledge about PM but the more you type the more I notice that you really don't know much and I was foolish to be asking YOU for advice.
There are plenty of smart people on this forum, clearly you are not one of them because you feel the need to keep putting people down. I knew you were way out of line with your posts and majority of the people on the noogleberry forum think so too and most try to stay away from your posts. I know this because I spoke to many who also think this way. If it was just one person you could say it is that persons fault. But when time and time again, people are telling you something there must be some truth to it.
I am not sure what your problem is but it seems that even though you have increased the size of your breast you still have some other issues that you should deal with internally instead of making them apparent publicly. The people on this forum and the noogleberry forum did nothing to you, so you really need to look within yourself and ask yourself why you behave in such a manner.
Philli1
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December 9th, 2009, 5:31 pm #21 2009-12-09T17:31
Well Tina, at least you learned something from Noogleberry before getting banned from the Forum for using obscene language. I'm really surprised that you resisted the temptation to blast me with all those 'f' words like you did on Noogleberry.
But, in one respect you are correct. This forum is not the place for me to be hanging out. The Noogleberry Forum is full of positive people who enjoy what they are doing and have a sense of humour. I dont believe for a moment that you have gathered a dossier of complaints against me, although you seem like one of those people who remembers dates and times about something negative that was said to you years ago and, at the appropriate time, you throw it back at that person like this...'Do you remember that time back in August 2004 at 3pm in the afternoon, you said this to me..blah blah. And when the person vagually says 'Yes', you reply..'Well I've never forgiven you for that'.
Be that as it may, I came to this Forum with an open mind, but, frankly, it's too full of negative waves, doubters, and indecisive people who cant make up thier minds wether to do something or not, and have no sense of humour. So, I will bid my farewell to this Forum and stick to Noogleberry..where I'm loved.
All I can say is I have grown from a B to an E in 4 years, using PM and Noogling, and you haven't.
No doubt if I come back here in 4 years, people will still be asking wether they should buy PM and how much should they take every day.
tinaz408
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December 9th, 2009, 6:14 pm #22 2009-12-09T18:14
Philli,
I am not banned from the noogleberry forum, I choose not to post there as most of the posts I see are irrelevant to noogleberry or to my situation. I most definitely will not post in any of your messages as I find they are also irrelevant, not helpful, and just plain useless. You are the one who is pathetic.
I did blast you with eff words, just because I thought you were so ignorant and STUPID. So what?
"...although you seem like one of those people who remembers dates and times about something negative that was said to you years ago."
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October 2nd, 2009, 4:59 pm #1 2009-10-02T15:59
JANE!
Thank you for your answer!!!!
I am new to this board so I do not know the rules here...BUT Could you please advice me on which brand to choose??? I think as insider you know it better!!
I know you said ''common sense will take you there''...but mine, when it comes to NBE, is absent )))I alredy bought Ainterol 3-mnth supply, before that St herb from ebay with a dodgy looking sticker ( i guess it was a fake)...
I tried to google Dr Wichai Cherdshewasart...thought m.b he endorses some brand...but looks like no, or may be I just couldn't find...
Then i thought may be Solgar is a good choice as they have reputation to risk...but looks like no gurantees here as well..
SO PLEASE, JANE, TELL ME WHICH 1 TO BUY...I live in UK, not planning to go to Thailand so it should be sth available through internet...
if you are worried writing it here, please e-mail me on inovozhilova@yahoo.co.uk.
Thank you!!!
DebfromEbay
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October 10th, 2009, 10:13 pm #2 2009-10-10T21:13
Just a comment here. The brand that Siriporn makes..the Ro-Bust Cream and the PM Cultivar Caps...The scientist that developed these is a friend and co- worker with Dr Wichai Cherdshewasart. He has studied and worked with him in the past. I am not saying the Dr. endorses this brand..I doubt he would do that unless it was his own. But the Ro-Bust people have good contacts and affiliates.
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October 11th, 2009, 3:43 pm #3 2009-10-11T14:43
Hi Deb!! Thank you for sharing this info with me!!! Do you know anything about effectiveness of this brand??? I don't know much about it (.
Is it a way to go ??
thanks again
Joysangiam
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October 13th, 2009, 9:16 am #4 2009-10-13T08:16
Try the Femagis Breast cream, you should be able to find it in Europe or online.
Optimistic Girl
December 6th, 2009, 6:33 pm #5 2009-12-06T18:33
TEST EXAMPLE 2
Application as Food Aid or Functional Food to Pre-Menopausal Female
Extracts derived from Pueraria mirifica according to the present invention were used as food aids or functional foods and consumed by 97 healthy women who were pre-menopausal and 20-45 years old, as shown in Table 8, below.
TABLE 8
Medicinal Efficacy of Extract from Pueraria mirifica as
Food Aid or Functional Food
Placebo 400 mg/day 800 mg/day
No. of Subjects 31 32 34
Breast Pain 31 14 32
Smooth Skin 31 28 32
Hair Complexity 31 24 30
Charasma Clearness 3/3 4/4
Smooth Vaginal Secretion 31 14 29
Smooth Menstruation 31 2 10
Breast Resilience 31 13 30
Breast Enlargement 31 3 28
Hip Enlargement 31 3 20
31 subjects in a placebo group were each administered 2 tapioca starch capsules a day every other day for 2 months from the first day of their menstruation. All parameters measured in this placebo group were shown not to undergo a significant change.
32 subjects in a first treatment group were each administered 2 Pueraria mirifica capsules, each having 200 mg, per day in the same conditions as in the placebo group. Significant improvements were brought about in various parameters, including breast or bust pain (44%) which partially resulted from breast or bust firmness and enlargement, smooth skin (88%), healthy hair (75%), charasma clearness (100%), vaginal secretion (44%), smooth menstruation (6%), breast or bust firmness (44%) and enlargement (9%), and hip enlargement (9%).
33 subjects in the second treatment group were each administered 4 Pueraria mirifica capsules, each having 200 mg, per day in the same conditions as in the placebo group. After 2 months of the administration, greater improvements were found in all of the parameters measured, including breast or bust pain (94%), healthy hair (88%), charasma clearness (100%), smooth vaginal secretion (85%), breast or bust firmness (94%) and enlargement (88%), and hip enlargement (59%). In some subjects, blood cholesterol levels were observed to decrease after the administration.
Consequently, food aids or functional foods comprising the extract derived from Pueraria mirifica can increase feminine sex appeal through improvement in skin condition, hair complexity, and breast firmness and enlargement.
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Sorry if my question is silly. But according to this, does it mean if I am 23 years old, I should have 800mg of PM per day to achieve better result?
Philli1
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December 7th, 2009, 3:20 pm #6 2009-12-07T15:20
Optimistic Girl... What it means is that although both groups showed increase breast growth, those with double dosage showed a bit more than those with the regular dosage.
It would appear that they were given 100mg capsules, but generally speaking PM is usally available in 300mg caps. So...if you take two of those a day you will be in the middle of the two groups as regards daily comsumption.
Dont let the words 'breast pain' frighten you. They are simply 'growing' pains resulting in firmer breasts.
Dont be fooled into thinking an American product is 'safer' than a Thailand product because there is no such thing. PM grows only in Northern Thailand and it's the soil that gives PM its unique 'power'. Cultivated Ainterol PM is not grown in Thailand and it doesnt work like the rest of the original PM varieties.
If you buy American, you will be paying, in some cases, 10 times the amount for the same thing you can get direct...if you have Paypal. Dont worry if you cant read the writing on the bottle...it's not hard to remember....'Zake 2 a day'.
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December 7th, 2009, 6:53 pm #7 2009-12-07T18:53
Hi, )))
Still very interesting that bringing the dosage up from 400mg to 800mg gave a considerably higher response in breast growth!!!
St herb does caps in 200 mg grown in Thai farm...they reccomend taking 4 a day for 15days on-off. And I think I saw the same report on their web site. OMG, with all this confusion it is soooo difficult to establish the right dose!!! I think brand that Deb mentioned earlier also have it in either 200 or even only 100.
Philli,
How do you know that Ainterol's PM isn't grown in Thailand??? I think all PM come from there....??? and their web site isn't informative at all.
Optimistic Girl,
I don't think that the study you posted here does assume that if you are 23 you need a higher dosage than some one older than you...I read it somewhere here and saw it somewhere else (on Premium Pueraria website I think)that women who are in or after menopause do need a higher dose...But as I mention before people on this board as well as manufacturers all have different opinions on dosage, it is quite tricky! Some take 1000mg, some say that even going above 200mg is asking for trouble ...I hope it will clear up somehow !!)))
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December 7th, 2009, 6:54 pm #8 2009-12-07T18:54
Hi, )))
Still very interesting that bringing the dosage up from 400mg to 800mg gave a considerably higher response in breast growth!!!
St herb does caps in 200 mg grown in Thai farm...they reccomend taking 4 a day for 15days on-off. And I think I saw the same report on their web site. OMG, with all this confusion it is soooo difficult to establish the right dose!!! I think brand that Deb mentioned earlier also have it in either 200 or even only 100.
Philli,
How do you know that Ainterol's PM isn't grown in Thailand??? I think all PM come from there....??? and their web site isn't informative at all.
Optimistic Girl,
I don't think that the study you posted here does assume that if you are 23 you need a higher dosage than some one older than you...I read it somewhere here and saw it somewhere else (on Premium Pueraria website I think)that women who are in or after menopause do need a higher dose...But as I mention before people on this board as well as manufacturers all have different opinions on dosage, it is quite tricky! Some take 1000mg, some say that even going above 200mg is asking for trouble ...I hope it will clear up somehow !!)))
Sarah
December 8th, 2009, 12:20 am #9 2009-12-08T00:20
Philli,
I am not sure why you say Ainterol is not effective. I thought so too, only because so many people on this forum have given it a bad name. I have been using Ainterol for almost 2 months so far with no problems. I receive all the benefits, like the great skin and the breast enlargement as well. I take the recommended dosage of 500 mg twice a day except during my period, when I take none.
I have gone from an small B to almost a full C. So I am happy! I will buy more and I continue to take this PM for at least 10 months. Then I will take a maintenance dose, probably forever! I'm joking, not forever but for a while because I love all the other benefits like my hair growth, clear skin, and energy.
I took herbs before and didn't like the way I felt after taking them, although I did experience fullness in my breasts. I was scared to try Ainterol because of all the bad comments, but most of them were not from people who were even taking PM. I am thinking those comments were from those who didn't know much about PM, or were on the forum to promote a more expensive brand.
I am glad that I at least gave it a try for myself or else I would have just thrown away these pills thinking that they don't work.
IGNORANCE IS A CRIME!
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December 8th, 2009, 3:06 am #10 2009-12-08T03:06
Girls
You still don't seem to get it. Anterol is grown in Thailand but its wild, wild junk.
Its does not have very much miroestrol and no deoxymiroestrol.
The farm cultivars are something entirely different, St Herb is in Thailand. Because of there irresponsible recommendations..........no more Pueraria mirifica capsules in Japan. They are a rinky dink little company with no liabilities. There recomendations will get PM capsules banned in England and the US.
Yes 800 mg/ day works better. The problem is young women don't understand the topicals work far better.
Why do you insist om taking large amount of capsules. DO YOU SEE A MAJOR RESPONSIBLE SUPPLEMENT COMPANY MAKING PM CAPSULES WITH THESE DOSAGES FOR BREAST ENLARGEMENT IN THE US ...NO! Why? they don't want the liabilities!!!
Are you starting to get it!
C
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December 8th, 2009, 8:55 am #11 2009-12-08T08:55
Carla, I'm afraid its you who just doesn't get it. You dont see American companies producing it BECAUSE they cant get thier hands on enough of it. PM is not a product that can be produced artificially like most American drugs. There's no need to mix it with anything to make a cocktail pill like all American bust improvement tabs which dont work.
It's a Thai product, home grown...it's thier discovery, and they are hanging onto it....and why not. You'd be surprised how many great products come from OUTSIDE America. Expand your horizons, young lady and realise that there is a world out there that does not have Made in USA stamped on it.
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December 8th, 2009, 10:21 am #12 2009-12-08T10:21
Dear grasshopper
my company has tons of it just awaiting US companies to buy it. They are scared ****less.
We have tons and it won't be enough when it takes off. I speak to industry people all the time. Not only are
they scared of it...they are more scared of consumers doing exactly what your doing and so is the FDA.
A little heat from the press and the FDA will go after it.......simple as that.
What percentage of the population is now using ....a fraction like 00000001 per cent of world pop.
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December 8th, 2009, 10:35 am #13 2009-12-08T10:35
Didn't somebody once say that women with small breasts are more intelligent than those with bigger breasts?
One thing seems sure...logic and common sense seems to be lacking a lot on this Forum. The eternal question never seems to get answered.. How many should I take a day?
For those wishing to put thier troubled minds at rest.. here is the answer. Whichever product you buy from the internet, READ the manufacturers recommendations for daily dosage. If they say 'take 2 a day' ..do it, while you are using THAT product. If you change to a different brand and they say 'Take 3 a day' ...do it while using THAT brand. Is is so difficult to follow the instruction related to the particular brand you are using?.
If you wish to OD because you want huge boobs tomorrow, go ahead, but dont come back here complaining that the product made you ill.
All 'Pill' manufacturers have a responsibilitiy to thier customers to give a recommended dosage of thier product. If you READ the information given on thier Webpage or Ebay site instead of listening to some of the bimbos on this Forum, you should be very satisfied with your results.
There are far more difficult problems to solve in this life such as Why are Hotdogs sold in 10 packs and buns only in 8 packs?
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December 8th, 2009, 11:16 am #14 2009-12-08T11:16
that's just it Philli. Pill MFG have a responsibility in your country to give responsible recommendations.
that is the key phrase...in their country. St herb does not make these type of recommendations in Thailand but
they do it when they send stuff overseas.
MFG from Thailand are not multi-million dollar companies and don't have anything to loose. Consequently they
will cut off their nose to spite their face for fast money. Try and sue them. You can't. If they make you
sick good luck.
My point your not grasping.........these little **** companies have nothing to loose. The major MFG ARE NOT MAKING this stuff yet. They will not provide wacko recommendations when they do make it.....because they are scared ****less of getting of lawsuits.
EBAY.......ITS the lowest common denomnator of cheap....anything goes, alot of the stuff there is stolen!
get it
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December 8th, 2009, 1:00 pm #15 2009-12-08T13:00
Good grief Carla, you cetainly do have a 'thing' against Thai companies, dont you? And against Ebay, it would seem. Sure, Ebay is not responsible for the items offered for sale, but, believe it or not, they do have scruples and take action against questionable suppliers....at least here in Germany they do. And I'm sure people aren't stealing PM pills from other sellers apart from American concerns who repackage them and up the price 500%.
And getting back to companies responsibilities, The Thai concerns have realised that they are sitting on a goldmine with PM and have a product that American companies cannot compete with. They would be foolish to make rash and dangerous recommendations as to its useage and risk lawsuits that would mean it being banned for sale outside its own country. Sure, American companies would love to see that happen, but the only people abusing it are those, like here on this Forum, who willingly OD in the hope of acheiving bigger boobs quicker than 'normal growth'.
If such a lawsuit were to ban its sale and an American company was able to sell it...at a very hiked price, people would still mis-use it anyway.
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December 8th, 2009, 3:20 pm #16 2009-12-08T15:20
Hi Philli,
I will try to explain you how and why many on this forum feel about this dosage issue as I am the one who keeps bringing it up here.
The reason why I don't rely on the directions that written on the bottle is not because I can't read it or have trouble following someone else's directions. You see I thought that St Herb is a big manufacturer there in Thailand, but now I do have doubts from reading what Carla said about them. Why I start having doubt??BECAUSE there is no mean for me to know for sure because I am in UK, have never been to Thailand, speak no Thai, have none I know who lives there....what is the way for me to research this company???? ???? May be they are reliable, may be not....may be their business strategy is to become industry leader...but may be as well their strategy is to ''hit and run''...the chances are even! At the worst scenario than can put whatever they like in the shell and ship it....now ebay is a separate story...plenty of sellers, some are selling genuine ''stHerbs'' some sell fake ones at least theoretically! There is no way ebay can do a due diligence!!!
I know that Germany is very strict in protecting its consumer (I lived there for 2 years), but I doubt that it is simply doable to control e-bay sellers...In that sense that PM is allowed in Germany=PM is probably safe, but do they research every manufacture or seller, I doubt...but it is only my opinion. And, no Philli, I am not Thai phobic or dont trust ''other'' countries , I am grateful to Thailand for the PM, don't get me wrong...
All this brands are have different directions on their bottles from 50mg to 1000mg. I don't have an access to reliable research papers on PM. Even that research that Optimistic Girl put in here is very confusing....there is no recommendation from reliable sources. There is no way knowing for sure which manufacturer is reliable and who's only *** trying to jump on the bandwagon to make quick $$$.
I still take my chance with PM. Even with all the gaps in information. I stick to the safer side...the reason I keep asking the same question again and again is because I hope may be someone have better resources to research it...not because I can't get a grip!!!
And there should be a consensus on the dosage. Just like in drugs there is Nurofen with Ibuprofen but there are also generic brands...but because they still have same Ibuprofen in it the recommended dosage is the same as with Nurofen. I do understand that that with Herbs there is a issue of purity, etc but the range can't vary from 50 mg to 1000mg. I rest my case! I hope I made it clear!
PS sorry for the ''book'' I've written...
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December 8th, 2009, 3:23 pm #17 2009-12-08T15:23
I wish we could bring this famous professor (sorry, can't remember his name) to this board and he could enlighten us ))) as we are the pioneering consumers (outside of Thailand))) and very dedicated ones!!
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December 9th, 2009, 7:06 am #18 2009-12-09T07:06
Hi Philli,
First of all, I apologize from everyone here for writing this message (which is useless except Phili). But I feel offended about Phili's calling people bimbos or pathetics or all the other stuff, and I don't want to feel like this anymore. I was enjoying reading all the different experience and ideas of people until recently. And don't want this negative energy she is bringing in by approaching people you don't understand, you don't know, you can't read blah blah.
Phili, I seriuosly can't see the reason why you keep attacking people here in this forum about their knowledge or level of IQ. Do you think you are a genius just because you are "capable" of reading an Ebay page or instructions on a pill?
See the higher level of intelligence: There is no CONSISTENCY about the dosage and as well as cycling of PM between companies even tough they are talking about the SAME PRODUCT which is PM, and you can also see this if you read enough. It is not about reading!!! or a problem in capturing what you read! That's why people here keep asking and sharing their knowledge which is the main purpose of a forum.
Now I went and bring my PM which is the same one as you're using, I am typing out what it writes on it:
1 capsule each time
1 time daily after meal
Now I am copying and pasting what is written on Ebay page that I ordered:
Dosage
1 capsule after meal daily
So what does this mean? To me it seems like only 1 a day. But if you take 1 capsule after each meal it may make 3 at the same time or depending on your meals it may be 2.
Or if you listen to bimbos here such as yourself at the first place, talking about taking 2 at the beginning but ramping to 4 capsules/a day to confuse your body and be able to see the effect of it.
It is you who was taking 4/a day of these ones in the noogleberry forum. You must already be aware of what you wrote. In another post Tinaz also mentioned about how you told people that you were using 4/ a day of these ones in noogleberry forum and now coming here and telling people that they are taking too many because of Greed to grow.(her post is at the end of this long message)
The main purpose of this forum is to learn and to share, not to insult, you should better watch your language. I have been reading this forum every day for 10 months even tough I couldn't write much earlier and I didn't see an attacker like you before except the spammers. People including me as well as Tiran and many others asked about dosage or cycling before since there are many different views and we re trying to learn. Instead of insulting people try to LEARN at the firsr place.
And I am writing all these stuff because I am also aware of the problem which was caused by you and the way you talked in noogleberry forum when Tinaz SIMPLY asked you the colour of your PM. So if you don't want to be warned by the moderator as you were once warned in Noogleberry forum because of the way you talk, you should better know your boundaries.
Tina Z
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: PM...Are they telling us everything? November 13 2009, 12:08 AM
Actually, Philli said she was taking 4 pills a day on the noogleberry forum. At 300mg that's 1200mg a day! Everyday! Apparently she had no adverse side effects from taking such a high dosage.
It is funny because she said earlier that "are they telling us everything?", saying that girls on here are overdosing which is why PM gives them side effects. It seems that every woman's body is the same so PM should work for everyone, at least Philli is spreading that word!
I think 300mg a day everyday may be fine, if you are lacking estrogen. But I wonder what kind of PM she was taking. Personally, I would say that is a weaker type of PM. Especially if you can take so much without anything side effects.
I had asked Philli what color the powder was inside of the pills and she said I was asking dumb questions. I asked some sellers on ebay and the powder is brown. I am not sure what that means but I know Bella's and some other brands are either beige or white.
If anyone can help me to understand why there are 3 different colors of PM, that would be great! Because I am thinking there should be some consistency, if they are all PM.
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December 9th, 2009, 8:33 am #19 2009-12-09T08:33
First off, I didn't appreciate Carla using my login name to say 'You're as thick as a brick'.
Secondly... I've learned over the years that it is wrong to namby pamby people so as not to hurt thier feelings. Hard truth and facts usually wake them up to reality. The main question being asked here...what people really want to know...is NOT how many should I take a day...but How many CAN I take a day. Give a girl a pill and say this will make your breasts grow and she's going to want to know how many she can take to make them grow faster and bigger.
When I was taking 4 a day, they were 100mg capsules. I switched to 2 300mg capsules a days because in the long run, it was cheaper.
When I was taking 2 a day, (I only take 1 now), it was after brekkie and after dinner.
Also, I never called anybody (any girls here) pathetic. I was referring to the Manly attitude in the world that we need big boobs to be successful.
Generally speaking, if you are using 300mg capsules, 2 a day is safe whether you take them both at Brekkie or after two meals.
When I read on here about girls who take everyday a cocktail of PM, Saw Palmetto, Fenugreek, and MSM...all at the same time, I can only shake my head. And you think I'm being reckless. I care more about my health that you can possibly imagine.
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December 9th, 2009, 4:03 pm #20 2009-12-09T16:03
Philli,
Salome,I agree with you. It doesn't help anyone to come on a forum FOR breast enhancement and call others names about enhancing their breasts when you (PHILLI) are doing the same thing. I have been reading posts without trying to start any conflicts but enough is enough. Why do you even come on this forum? Clearly you are not helping anyone by leaving rude and unwanted remarks. We are all here for the same reason, to gain bigger/firmer/rounder/fuller breasts AND to help each other. I am really turned off from the noogleberry forum and eve's forum because of you Philli.
Just because you have "so-called" E size breasts, that does not give you the right to treat others with disrespect. If you don't have anything nice to say just DON'T say anything at all, because you are not helping AT ALL. I learn nothing from your posts, which makes them pointless to me. I am here to gather information and to read about different experiences with PM and to try to help others if I can be letting them know my experience.
Just because PM worked for you that does not mean it will work for everyone. But I guess you know nothing about the human body because no 2 bodies are alike. At first on thought you had some knowledge about PM but the more you type the more I notice that you really don't know much and I was foolish to be asking YOU for advice.
There are plenty of smart people on this forum, clearly you are not one of them because you feel the need to keep putting people down. I knew you were way out of line with your posts and majority of the people on the noogleberry forum think so too and most try to stay away from your posts. I know this because I spoke to many who also think this way. If it was just one person you could say it is that persons fault. But when time and time again, people are telling you something there must be some truth to it.
I am not sure what your problem is but it seems that even though you have increased the size of your breast you still have some other issues that you should deal with internally instead of making them apparent publicly. The people on this forum and the noogleberry forum did nothing to you, so you really need to look within yourself and ask yourself why you behave in such a manner.
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December 9th, 2009, 5:31 pm #21 2009-12-09T17:31
Well Tina, at least you learned something from Noogleberry before getting banned from the Forum for using obscene language. I'm really surprised that you resisted the temptation to blast me with all those 'f' words like you did on Noogleberry.
But, in one respect you are correct. This forum is not the place for me to be hanging out. The Noogleberry Forum is full of positive people who enjoy what they are doing and have a sense of humour. I dont believe for a moment that you have gathered a dossier of complaints against me, although you seem like one of those people who remembers dates and times about something negative that was said to you years ago and, at the appropriate time, you throw it back at that person like this...'Do you remember that time back in August 2004 at 3pm in the afternoon, you said this to me..blah blah. And when the person vagually says 'Yes', you reply..'Well I've never forgiven you for that'.
Be that as it may, I came to this Forum with an open mind, but, frankly, it's too full of negative waves, doubters, and indecisive people who cant make up thier minds wether to do something or not, and have no sense of humour. So, I will bid my farewell to this Forum and stick to Noogleberry..where I'm loved.
All I can say is I have grown from a B to an E in 4 years, using PM and Noogling, and you haven't.
No doubt if I come back here in 4 years, people will still be asking wether they should buy PM and how much should they take every day.
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December 9th, 2009, 6:14 pm #22 2009-12-09T18:14
Philli,
I am not banned from the noogleberry forum, I choose not to post there as most of the posts I see are irrelevant to noogleberry or to my situation. I most definitely will not post in any of your messages as I find they are also irrelevant, not helpful, and just plain useless. You are the one who is pathetic.
I did blast you with eff words, just because I thought you were so ignorant and STUPID. So what?
"...although you seem like one of those people who remembers dates and times about something negative that was said to you years ago."