[beachbumbythesea]

Hi,

Long story short.. not sure if I have high androgens.. ok I started my PM Friday night (ainterol brand) took one 500 mg, Sat took 1, Sun 2 morn. and bed, Mon 1 then left without them to my sisters (stuck without them for 6 days, going back home Sat or Sun) so I bought FG well I get some tingling not a lot and not all the time mostly just 1 hour after taking it and just a twinge here and then and not long.. I started with 1 Tues noon, then mid eve, then at bed, today I took 2 morn, 1 just now and plan on 1 bed.. now the question is should I feel alot more tingling and such signs stronger... is it possible I may need a higher dose, and when you start feeling good growing signs stay at that dose.. Is it possible at my age 47 I really need my estrogen levels higher.. I also notice when I drink fennel or spearmint tea I get more chin hair, is it possible it is adjusting (cleaning them out) and they will slowly decrease or is it messing it up..I also take the SP which seems like it helps with the chin hair if I dont drink the teas like today no teas, I only take 2 SP 1 morn and mid day I cant take it at night cause it causes me to wake up from sleep ( I find I stop breathing then it turns into a panic attack) but taking during the day I am ok.. When I get back home I plan on going back on the PM but not sure...

So guess that wasnt short

So my point is does it sound like I have low estrogen or does FG and PM effect me dif.. When I took the PM it seemed like it was either clearing my skin bring alot of stuff to the surface...was it adjusting cause some say in like 10 days give or take there skin was awsome.. give it time..

Confused

[Isabelle]

Hi Susan,

I don't know how the FN tea affects this, but the spearmint tea is a weaker anti-androgen than SP. On the male NBE forum, there is agreement that when they take SP, they stick to SP as the only anti-androgen, like many people prefer PM as their only phyto-estrogen. The teas are useful at the start of the ramp-up, before they are replaced by stronger herbs that do the same.

Maybe try that, or give it more time: in the journeys of most male to female transsexuals, facial hair is the one change that takes longer than all the others. And they get anti-androgen medication with lots of side effects, much stronger than SP. And laser hair removal, IPL, and electrolysis.

Another thing you could check is your other supplements that are "good for hair growth". Maybe you're taking too much of one of those too soon, so your anti-androgen ramp-up can't keep up.

For instance, I have a supplement here called "super hair formula". One tablet contains 10,000 % of recommended daily intake of vitamin B12, and also 1,000's of %s of RDI of other B vitamins. On top of that, choline, inositol, L-cystein, PABA, and a few minerals. It's a hair bomb. Take one of those every day, and you'll be growing chin hair out your nose. And no amount of spearmint tea will stop it.

It sounds like FG is working for you. To make sure, try it in massage, and take your time. If it's really your herb, it will give you a swell

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Susan,

I don't know how the FN tea affects this, but the spearmint tea is a weaker anti-androgen than SP. On the male NBE forum, there is agreement that when they take SP, they stick to SP as the only anti-androgen, like many people prefer PM as their only phyto-estrogen. The teas are useful at the start of the ramp-up, before they are replaced by stronger herbs that do the same.

Maybe try that, or give it more time: in the journeys of most male to female transsexuals, facial hair is the one change that takes longer than all the others. And they get anti-androgen medication with lots of side effects, much stronger than SP. And laser hair removal, IPL, and electrolysis.

Another thing you could check is your other supplements that are "good for hair growth". Maybe you're taking too much of one of those too soon, so your anti-androgen ramp-up can't keep up.

For instance, I have a supplement here called "super hair formula". One tablet contains 10,000 % of recommended daily intake of vitamin B12, and also 1,000's of %s of RDI of other B vitamins. On top of that, choline, inositol, L-cystein, PABA, and a few minerals. It's a hair bomb. Take one of those every day, and you'll be growing chin hair out your nose. And no amount of spearmint tea will stop it.

It sounds like FG is working for you. To make sure, try it in massage, and take your time. If it's really your herb, it will give you a swell

Thank you Isabelle. I think you know but just reminding you I am female... but in my case it seems it doesnt matter cause I am thinking I have low estro... I was thinking the same with the supps too but I dont understand if your taking supps to grow hair faster, I know the hair on the chin is hair but if I am female and the estgro is going up wouldnt the normal hair grow for females happen.. actually what I am trying to say if I had the correct female hormone balance my supps for faster hair growth would work in a normal way for a female.. no stupid chin hair.. I took 2 FG and 1 SP this morning.. I really want to do the PM since I have 3 freakin bottles here (well at home I m at my sisters) Isabelle when I go back home probably either tomorrow or Sat.. should I take one day off and restart PM to give my body a break.. I want to give PM another try I think I just need more mgs of it. Sorry for the winded morning..k finishing my coffee and havent had my morn cig

[Isabelle]

Well, Susan,

How could I forget you are female? But seriously, how are you feeling now? Do you still feel tingles on FG? I wouldn´t stop it then. Just read more about taking FG and PM together, and have a go at it if the risks look low.

[beachbumbythesea]

Well, Susan,

How could I forget you are female? But seriously, how are you feeling now? Do you still feel tingles on FG? I wouldn´t stop it then. Just read more about taking FG and PM together, and have a go at it if the risks look low.

I took 2(these are 612 mgs each FG) this morning felt some tingling thankfully on the left one it is the smaller one..haha.. just now took SP just 1.. I didnt take some of my supps.. b's and collagen a feel a little better over all.. hey I looked into adrenal fatigue and have alot of this her is the link from Wahaika site I posted a question for him.. didnt feel like putting on here just to lazy today I listed the symptoms I have etc... if you want to..

Thank you for asking your really nice..and so very helpful..your the one that got me to think more about what I am doing.. my gut feeling is with all this is that I most of my hormones are low except testosterone and since I use to have hypothyroidism that I believe is link from adrenal fatigue and something with the cortex.. could be wrong.. Wahaika asked me to decide if I want to do NBE or balance my hormones he said NBE makes them unbalanced, in away I think he maybe off on that to some extent.. I think if other problems come into the picture too..everything I read about my sypmtoms ends in low estrogen and high androgens and for progesterone I have no clue where that comes in play but still reading on that.. but I think if I solve other issues the progest. will work it self out ..maybe..

[Isabelle]

Really happy to see you thinking like that, and that Wahaika is prepared to help you. Many of the symptoms you wrote about point in the direction of an imbalance problem, indeed. If you can fix that, NBE and other goals will come a lot easier.

[beachbumbythesea]

Really happy to see you thinking like that, and that Wahaika is prepared to help you. Many of the symptoms you wrote about point in the direction of an imbalance problem, indeed. If you can fix that, NBE and other goals will come a lot easier.

Thank you.. I needed your opinion... I trust your judgement.. I will keep you post ..k..

Thank you again..

[beachbumbythesea]

Not sure if I should up my PM to 1500 mg a day...not taking SP cause I noticed I get swelling in my legs from it (retension)..now anyone that doesnt know me I am female cause I read alot of males taking up to 3000mg of PM...so any females go up higher the only way I can up a little lower is open the caps cause they are 500mg each..anyway I emailed ainterol this question..waiting on an answer..