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mad cow disease concerns?
November 14 2008 at 1:05 AM tiffanyd  (Login tiffanyd)

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Just curious if there has been any reports on bo and mad cow disease... i just found out the FDA is not requiring companies to perform mad cow disease tests on cows anymore cuz it was too expensive so i would b concerned bout that. Any articles or studies on bo and disease tranferanse?

 
     

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Dionne
(Login Dionne.C) Re: mad cow disease concerns? November 14 2008, 9:43 AM 


Bovine ovary was listed by the FDA as low risk for mad cow disease (note not as no risk but as low risk).

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Has anyone died yet?
December 9 2006 at 1:48 PM Patricia (no login)

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Has anyone died yet from contracting mad cowe disease?



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Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS Re: Has anyone died yet? December 9 2006, 8:49 PM


According to the UK government there have been 162 cases of vCJD in the UK. This is the disease which is believed to be caused by eating infected bovine products and the information is almost up-to-date (29 September 2006). Note that 6 of those 162 cases are not confirmed because those 6 people are still alive. It's only possible to be certain someone has the mad cow vCJD by carrying out a brain examination after their death.



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Anna
(no login) Re: Has anyone died yet? December 13 2006, 9:05 AM


I thought mad cowe disease had a lag time of 15 years, so it's a bit soon to die already


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jellyboobs
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Has anyone died yet? December 13 2006, 10:00 AM


now thats scary !


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Sissy
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Has anyone died yet? December 13 2006, 11:29 AM


Well, it will be pretty funny at my funeral when everybody is saying how strange it is that I died of Mad Cow disease, when I rarely eat meat....but WOW, don't her boobs look nice and big!! lol


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Molly
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EVE MEMBERS Re: Has anyone died yet? December 14 2006, 6:24 PM


Regarding it being too soon to die of vCJD, the first confirmed cases were people who died in 1995. 3 people died then and the number of deaths increased each year until it reached a high of 28 in the year 2000. Since then the number of deaths has been declining and so far this year there have been only 5. The total number of cases in the UK since 1995 now stands at 164 (from government statistics dated 7 December).


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michelle choi
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SENIOR MEMBER Sissy you're too funny! December 14 2006, 7:24 PM


Sorry guys, i know it's really not a laughing matter about mad cow disease, but Sissy you cracked me up!! Thanks for the laugh.


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Sissy
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SENIOR MEMBER Of course it's not funny..... December 15 2006, 12:17 AM


but I have faith that our BO is from healthy cows and am trying not to think of the chance that I am taking by trying to better my boobs. Then I see that question here and wonder of the purpose? We have just as much chance of MCD as those who eat a quarter pounders and t-bones don't we? I never did any research on the disease, and try not to think about it -- like I am sure other BO users are not doing, but I am taking about the equivelant of what, less than two-teaspoons of cow daily? That's a bite of a Big Mac.

I know that the BO in BB is from outside the states, but still, I am no more worried than I am about the herbs I take being filled with cancer causing pesticides.

Glad you liked that Michelle



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Vicky A
(Login VickyA) Re: Has anyone died yet? December 15 2006, 9:44 AM


You are wrong to imply that the mad cow risk is decreased if you only consume a small amount of a bovine product. It is believed that if you eat an infected bovine product then you are infected yourself. Any infected material will do, even a tiny amount. You are also wrong to suggest that those who eat quarter pounders have the same risk. According to the FDA, that is not true at all and the prime meat of a cow is not regarded as as a transmitter of the infection. Good quality meat has never been regarded as dangerous, whereas the glandular parts of a cow are a known risk. You also made a third error in assuming that medicinal herbs are grown with the use of pesticides, as many medicinal herbs are organically grown and use no pesticides at all.


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Sissy
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SENIOR MEMBER ??? December 15 2006, 10:53 AM


Vicki, we are all entitled to our opinion. So I am wrong, I'm not getting into a debate over the safety of the pills I am taking. We are told that th FDA also inspects the BO products. I have faith that that that the product is not from diseased cows, just as we have to have faith that the herbs we take are grown organic like we are told.

By the way, you are wrong, I didn't say that the herbs ARE filled with pesticides, I said I'm not worried about it, meaning that I have to believe they are not, just as you do apparently.



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Vicky A
(Login VickyA) Re: Has anyone died yet? December 15 2006, 2:57 PM


It's hard to see how the FDA could inspect bovine ovary products, especially as they come from overseas. I think someone may have told you a fairy story there. However, one positive thing is that the FDA has at least not banned bovine ovary, unlike the UK government which banned it several years ago. The FDA has though stated that bovine ovary is proven to carry the mad cow infectious agent, so it does acknowledge that there is a risk there.

On the subject of herbs, not all medicinal herbs are grown organically, although many of them are.


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emmie
(Login emmiedee) come on ladies December 15 2006, 3:39 PM


lets not get picky. vicky et al, thank you for the information and the warning. noted and logged, and those of us taking bo know that there may be a tiny chance that new zealand (where at least mine come from) might have come up with a case of mad cow and the cow from whom the ovaries i toss down my throat fifteen times a day may have eaten another cow (cannibal cows... im sure they have already made a movie about it...). however, factual evidence is always appreciated, so thank you for the concern and the info.

lets just not get catty, please, ladies, and start arguments?

people have different tolerances of risk. live and let live? i like roller coasters, but draw the line at carnival rides because they are just a little too risky (though i also carry a gun and go to areas where people shoot at me for a year at a time, but still i will not get on the zipper down at the shore...). some people will take all kinds of herbs, but draw the line at bo... to each their own. as long as the risks are known and acknowledged, everyone gets to make their own decisions...

and plus, as sissy said, at the funeral everyone can say "boy, such a shame... but what nice boobies!"

hugs to all, ladies, bo takers or not!


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Patricia
(no login) Re: Has anyone died yet? December 15 2006, 7:47 PM


The purpose of the original question was curiosity.


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Katrina
(no login) Truth about Mad Cow Disease... December 16 2006, 12:12 AM


*What is the cause of Mad Cow Disease?*

Currently the most accepted theory is that the causative agent is a modified form of a normal cell surface protein called a prion (pronounced PREE-ON) protein.

*Where did Prions come from? Are they a type of virus or bacteria? What are they?*

A prion is neither a virus nor a bacteria. Prions are proteins that contain no DNA or RNA, two substances previously felt to be essential for reproduction of a living tissue.

Prions are normal constituents of the body when in their normal form or conformation, but they can become twisted in a conformational change ( a change in shape - in the way the molecule is folded), and then they are thought to cause disease.

Prions exist, but it is extremely doubtful that the Prion is the "CAUSE" of ANY disease. Prions are much more likely to be the "RESULT" of a sick and dying body. Prions are most probably a RESPONSE to the illness that was actually CAUSED by a grossly improper diet and other unhealthy lifestyle factors.

"Factory farming" of animals, with the massive use of hormones, pesticides and other harmful substances destroy the animal's immune system.

*How to avoid Mad Cow Disease*

You can avoid beef that has been raised this way by buying grass-fed beef.

Eating beef that is grass-fed eliminates the chance of ingesting these hormones, pesticides and other harmful substances.

Why? Because grass-fed cattle are fed only grass. Not diseased animals that have been ground up and put into the cattle feed, as is the case with the majority of traditional beef.

You can now order grass-fed beef online, at Grassfed Organics. The beef is available in a variety of cuts, shipped to your door overnight.

~Hope this helps!~

Don't worry...BE HAPPY

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Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly?
July 13 2007 at 5:30 AM firmemup (Login firmemup)

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So I'm thinking about taking the plunge and am so glad you ladies are here and shared your success stories!

I know that BB is very $$, so was thinking about ordering the NBE, but read that NBE is smelly? Is that really true? I really want to be as sure as possible that the ovaries used in fact come from healthy, non-infected-with-anything cows... so then I'm thinking maybe the BB is better? It would seem like if all of the suppliers get their raw material for the supplements from the same "safe" countries, then either all should smell or all should not smell.

I'm wondering because I saw some article on the Web about someone's mother and neighbor getting CJD and he insists it was from bovine glandular supplements they were taking. So now I'm looking for reassurance, I guess.

Anyone know much about the companies selling the products, or know if women in other countries have been doing this for years and we're finally catching up in the US? Have any links to research it?

And yes, I do eat meat, no I don't eat hot dogs or sausage; I've even eaten pig brains - I'm not sensitive about if it's the hoof or the tail, just wanting to know that there is someone out there who knows more about the reliability of the vendors than I do.

PS Anybody know anyone who took BO more than 5 years ago?

Thank you!



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Barbara
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 13 2007, 12:19 PM


If you ask the suppliers if they can certify that the ovaries they supply come from cows that are free of mad cow disease, they will reply by saying that they don't have that very specific information and are therefore unable to certify such a thing.
As for women in other countries doing this for years, it seems that you can't even get bovine ovary in other countries. All the sites that have been mentioned here selling bovine ovary are in the US.


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lindyrose
(Login lindyrose) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 13 2007, 1:37 PM


What is CJD?

I feel pretty safe taking BB since they did inform where they get their ovaries from.


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Supercow
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 13 2007, 6:13 PM


DNE (not called NBE) also say where they get their ovaries from. And if the cattle is grass fed, there is no chance that they can get mad cow disease. I think they even guarantee that the animals are fed only vegetarian fodder.


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Cyclops
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 13 2007, 7:05 PM


Ignore the uninformed remark above that if cattle are grass fed there is no chance that they can get mad cow disease. There are definitely cases on record of grass fed cattle with mad cow disease. In fact these days all cattle are grass fed anyway and have been for many years. Animal feed for cows is prohibited everywhere as it's known to spread that kind of disease and can easily lead to an epidemic. However note that it's not been found to CAUSE the disease, just lead to it being spread.


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Molly
(Login MollyH)
EVE MEMBERS Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 13 2007, 7:15 PM


CJD is Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease. It has several types but the one relevant here is the one linked to BSE (also known as mad cow disease). So far it has caused 170 known human deaths, including 161 in the UK.


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Natasha
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 15 2007, 10:44 AM


The cause of BSE has not been established (but it did exist before cows were ever given food that was animal in nature).


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Christine
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 16 2007, 8:28 AM


In reply to the original poster, I too have heard stories about people claiming that they contracted CJD from taking bovine supplements. However, I have to point out that I don't see how they can *know* that this is what happened. It seems they are just guessing.


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waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 16 2007, 11:58 PM


If you really want to read a thorough article about BSE and the human transmittable variant CJD then check out this link

http://www.americanscientist.org/templat...005/page/1

It is a well written (although very scientificy) article that goes in depth with how the disease was transmitted and how it has been brought under control.

There will always be a slight chance of any cow having BSE, but these spontaneous flare ups are very, very rare. It was the feeding of infected carcasses back to the cows that brought about what would never have happened in nature. Since they have changed the way they feed cattle, the risk of any cow having BSE is very, very low.

Also, the infectious agent was not found in all cow tissue. Brain, spinal tissue and lympho-reticular tissues (lymph glands and blood creating tissues like marrow and spleen) were the transmittable tissues. When these tissues entered the food supply in hotdogs, sausages, some pre-made burger patties and stews they infected about 150 - 200 people most of whom lived in the UK. Unlike most CJD victims (which is by the way a very, very rare disease) the victims of vCJD (the cow infected) were young, most under the age of 30. Apparently, as we age our intestines become more resistant to this disease vector.

So, would you be likely to contract vCJD from taking bovine ovary? Probably not. The risk of cows having BSE is back to where it was before the 'mad cow scare'. The tissue they use to make the bovine ovary is not the primary tissue listed as infectious.

Is it 100% certain that you cannot get vCJD from bovine ovary or other glandular products? Nothing in life is certain. You would have to know for sure that none of the cows had BSE and that the glands were extracted without any contact with any tissue that could be infectious. That being said, it is very, very, very unlikely that you would contract vCJD from BO.

Mind you, this is just my two cents. Read the article.

waxingmoon






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firmemup
(no login) Thank you waxingmoon July 17 2007, 2:18 AM


The article is very reassuring, as is your post. Thank you. The articles says that "A host of new regulations were either implemented or proposed, of which the most important were these: prohibition of tissues known to be infectious in BSE cows (cranium, vertebral column, distal ileum, lymphoreticular tissues) for use by either animals or human beings; "

This is a little confusing since I thought BB contains pituitary? Does anybody know?

The BO product is very appealing and I'm *almost* convinced it would be safe. I know there are no guarantees, but would really like to ensure no possibility of infection due to poor manufacturing or unethical retailing (claiming the product comes from cows in NZ but the truth may be different, etc). The ovary seems safe enough but after reading now it's the pituitary I'm wondering about...

PS I noticed a product on the market called Female Caps by Solary - it contains a bunch of bovine product:

Ingredients: Amount per serving: % Daily Value: +
Dong Quai (Angelica sinensis) (root) 100 mg ~
Proprietary Blend: Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa) (root), Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra) (root), Raspberry (Rubus idaeus) (leaves), Passion Flower (Passiflora incarnata) (flower Chamomile) 125 mg ~
Pituitary (bovine) 20 mg ~
Uterus (bovine) 200 mg ~
Clove (Eugenia caryophllatta) (flower) 35 mg ~
Mammary (bovine) 50 mg ~
Ovary (bovine) 220 mg ~



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Julia
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 20 2007, 7:04 PM


I think it's pretty safe but I'll admit it can't be 100% safe. I believe that story about the people who caught the mad cow disease from bovine glandulars, because I think it's unrealistic to say it's impossible for that to happen.


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firmemup
(no login) Good news July 22 2007, 1:35 AM


Hi Ladies,

I saw my chiro this week and he is a very conservative doctor (does not even do the rack'em crack'em stuff - sorry for those who like that Anyway, I asked him about taking bioidentical hormones (long story, mine may be early meno causing the breast tissue changes). He volunteered that he doesn't believe that the plant derivatives are as safe as touted to be. He said he would not recommend them, and in particular he would tell any female patient to avoid plant derived estrogens. Instead he recommend hormones and supplements derived from animals -- not plants. I asked what he meant and he promptly said he and his wife take bovine pituitary and they just put their 14 year old daughter on bovine thyroid because her hair is falling out (among other symptoms).

I asked about TSEs and he said due to the process of dessicating the glands, it is highly unlikely any TSE could survive. He mentioned that they are cheap and readily available and that the company he uses has been in business 50 years. I am going to ask the name of the company next time I see him; I'll put it in the post.

So for all those out there who have heard stories, given how conservative this man is, and how much research he does before taking even a vitamin, seems to me to be a very positive testimony.




Emma
(no login) Re: Ultra Glandulars, NBE, BB, VP - smelly? July 22 2007, 8:07 AM


I wouldn't call that positive. He sounds like a complete crank to me.