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I just bought whole fenugreek and fennel seeds and coconut oil.
October 9 2009 at 9:38 AM tiha (Login ellet)
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Hey guys.
I just bought whole fenugreek and fennel seeds and coconut oil.
Do u see better results when taking herbs orally or when applyiing directly on to the skin?
How should I go by using these? I already did a search but didn't see anything.
Also, I'm 5'4, 25 yrs old, 3 kids, 115 lbs or so.
My boobs were already stretched to their maximum when I was breast feeding, probably like an F cup or so. Now its just
Tiny little tee bags, 34B. But very loose
Will I see quicker and probably better results because they've been
Stretched or is it the opposite?
Shoot! I can't remember the rest of my questions. I'll be back tho.
Wahaika, and everyone else, please help me here.
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tiha
(no login) Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 12:13 PM
Has anyone only used massage for NBE?
Wahaika? How do I prepare fennel seeds and whole fenugreek
With olive oil to make the massage oil???
Heeeelllpppppppp
I looove this forum, and will not leave until I see results LOL
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 5:29 PM
tiha/ellet,
>>"
I am 25 yrs.
3 kids
120 lbs,
non smoker
i'm an athlete
currently a 34 b i think . but they look like tea bags from breast feeding.i cannot fit into an A cup. which is weird. even tho i am so small
i want to start off with this:
2000 g fennugreek
1000 g fennel
2000 saw palmetto
2000 wild yam
massage with olive oil probably, i'm in saudi arabia and i would have to call my mom to send me certain herbs that i will order from amazon probably if i cant find them here. I have royal jelly powder and fennugreek seeds... the rest i'm still in a quest of finding...
<<"
Your routine looks good. You can go up to 3000mg of each of those herbs as a maximum. If you were starting in the spring that is what I would suggest. Be sure to use fresh potent herbs.
Use fennel as a tea, not as a powdered herb. Wrap up a teaspoon of it in a coffee filter and boil it in a cup or two (should be a cup when finished) of water for 20 minutes. Drink one or two cups per day. You can make larger batches and keep in the refrigerator.
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) fennugreek
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) saw palmetto
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) wild yam
1000mg evening primrose oil three times per day.
1000mg flax seed oil three times per day.
3 tsp per day of unflavored gelatin. Knox is a good brand.
6000mg MSM - See this thread: http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...h+with+MSM
Take a good multivitamin that has: a B complex, zinc, A, C, E, D, and at least 125mcg of iodine.
L-Tyrosine, especially this time of year. This is a good one:
http://www.amazon.com/TwinLab-L-Tyrosine...B001G7R57C
If you were over 30 or 35 I would suggest taking 1500-2000mg of GABA at night. It increases growth hormone. In the fall/winter programs it may be a good addition anyway.
If you only have access to the seeds, you can make your own herbal powder with a wheat grinder or maybe a blender.
The best time to start a program is on the first day of spring. This has the best track record. If you are going into winter, it is the opposite so be patient or wait. Take a one month (one full cycle) break every three months. If you miss dosages don't worry about it. If you get headaches, it is fenugreek lowering your blood sugar. Take some hard candy or soda and the headache should be gone within minutes, then up your carb intake slightly to compensate. Make sure you are getting protein every day - as in chicken, fish, beef, eggs, etc, not soy. (Although soy milk can be a good addition for *some people*, soy protein works for *some people*.) If you have thyroid problems, definitely avoid soy.
Massage/heat
Make a batter out of olive oil, borage oil, fenugreek powder. Massage into breasts somewhat firmly for about 5 minutes then cover with thick plastic wrap (like Saran) and add heat (such as a heated pad set to low, or clothes out of the dryer) for about 30 minutes. Do this twice per day if possible. Leave on at night.
See "Transdermal Considerations" in this thread: http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029
As it shows in the first message in that thread, ramp up your dosages gradually. Don't just start all at once. You can ramp up to your desired dosage or you can ramp up until you start feeling changes and then evaluate/tweak from there. Personally, I think you are OK at 3000mg of each of the herbs. But ramp them up one at a time. Also, don't take them all at once. Divide it up and take it three times per day to equal the total per day of herbs. If you were taking 3000mg, then take 1000mg three times per day. An empty stomach is best, but if you get stomach upset, then take them with food. I don't know why, but orange juice works very well.
And again, the best time to start a program is on the first day of spring.
Lots of questions? Fire away!
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 11:57 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 11:54 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 9:40 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 9:10 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 6:52 PM
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tiha
(no login) thank u soo much October 9 2009, 6:09 PM
Wahaika, u have made my day by replying.
I went to the pharmacy today and got this:
Vitamin B complex
fenugreek tea bags
fenugreek oil
iron pills
evening primrose oil
still calling around pharmacies for fenugreek capsules and fennel capsules, wild yam, and saw palmetto...
so what do i do with the fenugreek oil? do i use it as a massage or can i take it internally.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and already feel some painful tingle. and they don't look like raisins anymore, but more like grapes.
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tiha
(no login) Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 7:07 PM
I just wrote a whole response, and don't know where it went, ok, let me remember what i said.
wahaika, thank you so much for responding. u made my day!
I went to the pharmacy today and got the following.
fenugreek oil
fenugreek tea bags
evening primrose oil
vitamin b complex
iron pills
i'm still looking for fenugreek capsules, wild yam, saw palmetto, and fennel capsules.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and am already feeling some shart tingles the first day. is this normal? also, i have many stretch marks on my breasts, that usually are very visible and easy to see. but today, when i look, i would have to look for them. almost like they used to be raisins, but now are looking more like grapes.
wahaika, remember, while breast feeding they used to be like ballooons. F cup probably. so they've been stretched to their maximum.
can fenugreek oil be taken orally? or should it only be used externally? should i mix it with something? or by itself.
i will make the fennel tea as u described.
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tiha
(Login ellet) thanks so much October 10 2009, 8:38 AM
Hey Dr. Wahaika, (ur a doctor now, if u weren't already)
thank you so much for replying. You made my day.
Ok, Here is what I found and currently have with me.
Fenugreek capsules
Fenugreek tea bags
Fenugreek whole
Fenugreek oil (Is the oil the same as the fenugreek extract?) How can i use this oil? can it be taken orally?
list continues:
evening primrose oil
vitamin b complex
iron pills
fennel seeds whole
coconut oil
spearmint tea
I am currently taking yasmin pill.
still looking for fennel capsules, wild yam, saw palmetto, borage oil. I feel like the most important i don't have. lol
u said that the best day to start is the first day of spring, does it matter that i am in saudi arabia and that it's still 100 degrees here everyday, it will get cooler tho within a month.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and they look different already, the stretch marks are stretched out now, they used to look like raisins, but now they look more like grapes. lol.
remember i mentioned in another thread that they blew up like balloons, and they probably were a size D or F even. so they've been stretched to their maximum. i hope that is a good thing.
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Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 4:30 PM
tiha / ellet (which one would you prefer that I use?)
Fenugreek Oil: You can use it externally but very sparingly. Use a couple of drops in your batter, or massage it in first then your batter. I don't know of any internal use for the oil unless you dilute it like other oils or extracts where you try 1 drop in a cup of water per day, then 2, then 3, etc. But for now, just use it externally only.
If coconut oil is working for you then that is great, add some Vitamin E to it. - Like 500mg each side.
The best day to start, being the first day of spring is based on length of day, not temperature per se. It could also depend on where you are from originally and how long you have been in Saudi Arabia. You can try it and see how it goes.
>>"remember i mentioned in another thread that they blew up like balloons, and they probably were a size D or F even. so they've been stretched to their maximum. i hope that is a good thing."
Yep. It is, but what is more important is that you have lactated which completes the development. Still, take your time and be patient.
Wahaika
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tiha
(Login ellet) Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 7:51 PM
hi wahaika,
baltimore, maryland:
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/baltim...yland.html
I've been in saudi arabia for 4 years now. I looked up this website to check the daytime length on the east coast. the city is baltimore, and the length of day in may is 13 hours. When right now the day is only 11 hours long.
Here in saudi arabia, it is only 1 exact hour difference between now and Spring.
so does that mean that it is good to do NBE all year round?
i hope so.
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Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 9:03 PM
Yep. One hour difference in daylength should be insignificant. Go for it!
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mel67
(Login mel67) Re: Untitled October 13 2009, 7:35 AM
Wahaika, if you don't mind, can you explain this a little further?
"what is more important is that you have lactated which completes the development."
if someone was always a small A, but became a small B only while lactating, would this make it easier to grow a couple of years after lactating??
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Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 13 2009, 9:12 PM
Mel67,
The breasts are considered to be fully developed after lactating.
BE seems to work better for women who have lactated.
Therefore,
If someone was always a small A but became small B while lactating should have an easier time getting success from BE than someone who is a small A and has never lactated.
Wahaika
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ellet
(Login ellet) Re: Untitled October 14 2009, 3:08 PM
hey wahaika,
so i will start as soon as i receive my herbs. God willing.
Do i have to start the day i get my period? or can i start any day?
also, should i start on 500mg a day, then double it the next day. then go up to 2000 a day?
and when can i start taking 3000mg a day?
is it true that if the growth is still there after your period that it's a keeper?
thanks doc.
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Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 14 2009, 4:47 PM
Hello Ellet,
Start with 500mg on day one of your period. Do this for three days. On the third day evaluate if it is working then decide to go to two 500mg per day. One in the morning, then one at night. After three days, decide if that works for you or if to go further. Going further, add another one at lunch time making the total three 500mg capsules per day (total now 1500mg) ...and so on until you feel growing pains or to a maximum of 3000mg per day.
If you still have your growth on day 10, it's considered permanent. Growth could be lost at any time by losing weight rapidly or by sickness that lowers weight rapidly.
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 14, 2009 4:58 PM
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Butterfly
(Login Butterfly84) Re: Untitled October 15 2009, 1:20 AM
Could someone who was always a small A but grew to a small B while lactating grow beyond their lactating cup size? Like to a full B, small C? I hope..
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 15 2009, 6:35 AM
Yep, it's possible and has already been done. (growing beyond lactating size)
October 9 2009 at 9:38 AM tiha (Login ellet)
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Hey guys.
I just bought whole fenugreek and fennel seeds and coconut oil.
Do u see better results when taking herbs orally or when applyiing directly on to the skin?
How should I go by using these? I already did a search but didn't see anything.
Also, I'm 5'4, 25 yrs old, 3 kids, 115 lbs or so.
My boobs were already stretched to their maximum when I was breast feeding, probably like an F cup or so. Now its just
Tiny little tee bags, 34B. But very loose
Will I see quicker and probably better results because they've been
Stretched or is it the opposite?
Shoot! I can't remember the rest of my questions. I'll be back tho.
Wahaika, and everyone else, please help me here.
Author Reply
tiha
(no login) Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 12:13 PM
Has anyone only used massage for NBE?
Wahaika? How do I prepare fennel seeds and whole fenugreek
With olive oil to make the massage oil???
Heeeelllpppppppp
I looove this forum, and will not leave until I see results LOL
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 5:29 PM
tiha/ellet,
>>"
I am 25 yrs.
3 kids
120 lbs,
non smoker
i'm an athlete
currently a 34 b i think . but they look like tea bags from breast feeding.i cannot fit into an A cup. which is weird. even tho i am so small
i want to start off with this:
2000 g fennugreek
1000 g fennel
2000 saw palmetto
2000 wild yam
massage with olive oil probably, i'm in saudi arabia and i would have to call my mom to send me certain herbs that i will order from amazon probably if i cant find them here. I have royal jelly powder and fennugreek seeds... the rest i'm still in a quest of finding...
<<"
Your routine looks good. You can go up to 3000mg of each of those herbs as a maximum. If you were starting in the spring that is what I would suggest. Be sure to use fresh potent herbs.
Use fennel as a tea, not as a powdered herb. Wrap up a teaspoon of it in a coffee filter and boil it in a cup or two (should be a cup when finished) of water for 20 minutes. Drink one or two cups per day. You can make larger batches and keep in the refrigerator.
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) fennugreek
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) saw palmetto
2000 mg / day (or 3000mg) wild yam
1000mg evening primrose oil three times per day.
1000mg flax seed oil three times per day.
3 tsp per day of unflavored gelatin. Knox is a good brand.
6000mg MSM - See this thread: http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/th...h+with+MSM
Take a good multivitamin that has: a B complex, zinc, A, C, E, D, and at least 125mcg of iodine.
L-Tyrosine, especially this time of year. This is a good one:
http://www.amazon.com/TwinLab-L-Tyrosine...B001G7R57C
If you were over 30 or 35 I would suggest taking 1500-2000mg of GABA at night. It increases growth hormone. In the fall/winter programs it may be a good addition anyway.
If you only have access to the seeds, you can make your own herbal powder with a wheat grinder or maybe a blender.
The best time to start a program is on the first day of spring. This has the best track record. If you are going into winter, it is the opposite so be patient or wait. Take a one month (one full cycle) break every three months. If you miss dosages don't worry about it. If you get headaches, it is fenugreek lowering your blood sugar. Take some hard candy or soda and the headache should be gone within minutes, then up your carb intake slightly to compensate. Make sure you are getting protein every day - as in chicken, fish, beef, eggs, etc, not soy. (Although soy milk can be a good addition for *some people*, soy protein works for *some people*.) If you have thyroid problems, definitely avoid soy.
Massage/heat
Make a batter out of olive oil, borage oil, fenugreek powder. Massage into breasts somewhat firmly for about 5 minutes then cover with thick plastic wrap (like Saran) and add heat (such as a heated pad set to low, or clothes out of the dryer) for about 30 minutes. Do this twice per day if possible. Leave on at night.
See "Transdermal Considerations" in this thread: http://beboard.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Routines&action=display&thread=3029
As it shows in the first message in that thread, ramp up your dosages gradually. Don't just start all at once. You can ramp up to your desired dosage or you can ramp up until you start feeling changes and then evaluate/tweak from there. Personally, I think you are OK at 3000mg of each of the herbs. But ramp them up one at a time. Also, don't take them all at once. Divide it up and take it three times per day to equal the total per day of herbs. If you were taking 3000mg, then take 1000mg three times per day. An empty stomach is best, but if you get stomach upset, then take them with food. I don't know why, but orange juice works very well.
And again, the best time to start a program is on the first day of spring.
Lots of questions? Fire away!
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 11:57 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 11:54 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 9:40 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 9:10 PM
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 9, 2009 6:52 PM
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tiha
(no login) thank u soo much October 9 2009, 6:09 PM
Wahaika, u have made my day by replying.
I went to the pharmacy today and got this:
Vitamin B complex
fenugreek tea bags
fenugreek oil
iron pills
evening primrose oil
still calling around pharmacies for fenugreek capsules and fennel capsules, wild yam, and saw palmetto...
so what do i do with the fenugreek oil? do i use it as a massage or can i take it internally.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and already feel some painful tingle. and they don't look like raisins anymore, but more like grapes.
Edit Message Delete Message
tiha
(no login) Re: Untitled October 9 2009, 7:07 PM
I just wrote a whole response, and don't know where it went, ok, let me remember what i said.
wahaika, thank you so much for responding. u made my day!
I went to the pharmacy today and got the following.
fenugreek oil
fenugreek tea bags
evening primrose oil
vitamin b complex
iron pills
i'm still looking for fenugreek capsules, wild yam, saw palmetto, and fennel capsules.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and am already feeling some shart tingles the first day. is this normal? also, i have many stretch marks on my breasts, that usually are very visible and easy to see. but today, when i look, i would have to look for them. almost like they used to be raisins, but now are looking more like grapes.
wahaika, remember, while breast feeding they used to be like ballooons. F cup probably. so they've been stretched to their maximum.
can fenugreek oil be taken orally? or should it only be used externally? should i mix it with something? or by itself.
i will make the fennel tea as u described.
Edit Message Delete Message
tiha
(Login ellet) thanks so much October 10 2009, 8:38 AM
Hey Dr. Wahaika, (ur a doctor now, if u weren't already)
thank you so much for replying. You made my day.
Ok, Here is what I found and currently have with me.
Fenugreek capsules
Fenugreek tea bags
Fenugreek whole
Fenugreek oil (Is the oil the same as the fenugreek extract?) How can i use this oil? can it be taken orally?
list continues:
evening primrose oil
vitamin b complex
iron pills
fennel seeds whole
coconut oil
spearmint tea
I am currently taking yasmin pill.
still looking for fennel capsules, wild yam, saw palmetto, borage oil. I feel like the most important i don't have. lol
u said that the best day to start is the first day of spring, does it matter that i am in saudi arabia and that it's still 100 degrees here everyday, it will get cooler tho within a month.
i started massaging with coconut oil, and they look different already, the stretch marks are stretched out now, they used to look like raisins, but now they look more like grapes. lol.
remember i mentioned in another thread that they blew up like balloons, and they probably were a size D or F even. so they've been stretched to their maximum. i hope that is a good thing.
Edit Message Delete Message
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 4:30 PM
tiha / ellet (which one would you prefer that I use?)
Fenugreek Oil: You can use it externally but very sparingly. Use a couple of drops in your batter, or massage it in first then your batter. I don't know of any internal use for the oil unless you dilute it like other oils or extracts where you try 1 drop in a cup of water per day, then 2, then 3, etc. But for now, just use it externally only.
If coconut oil is working for you then that is great, add some Vitamin E to it. - Like 500mg each side.
The best day to start, being the first day of spring is based on length of day, not temperature per se. It could also depend on where you are from originally and how long you have been in Saudi Arabia. You can try it and see how it goes.
>>"remember i mentioned in another thread that they blew up like balloons, and they probably were a size D or F even. so they've been stretched to their maximum. i hope that is a good thing."
Yep. It is, but what is more important is that you have lactated which completes the development. Still, take your time and be patient.
Wahaika
Edit Message Delete Message
tiha
(Login ellet) Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 7:51 PM
hi wahaika,
baltimore, maryland:
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/baltim...yland.html
I've been in saudi arabia for 4 years now. I looked up this website to check the daytime length on the east coast. the city is baltimore, and the length of day in may is 13 hours. When right now the day is only 11 hours long.
Here in saudi arabia, it is only 1 exact hour difference between now and Spring.
so does that mean that it is good to do NBE all year round?
i hope so.
Edit Message Delete Message
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 12 2009, 9:03 PM
Yep. One hour difference in daylength should be insignificant. Go for it!
Edit Message Delete Message
mel67
(Login mel67) Re: Untitled October 13 2009, 7:35 AM
Wahaika, if you don't mind, can you explain this a little further?
"what is more important is that you have lactated which completes the development."
if someone was always a small A, but became a small B only while lactating, would this make it easier to grow a couple of years after lactating??
Edit Message Delete Message
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 13 2009, 9:12 PM
Mel67,
The breasts are considered to be fully developed after lactating.
BE seems to work better for women who have lactated.
Therefore,
If someone was always a small A but became small B while lactating should have an easier time getting success from BE than someone who is a small A and has never lactated.
Wahaika
Edit Message Delete Message
ellet
(Login ellet) Re: Untitled October 14 2009, 3:08 PM
hey wahaika,
so i will start as soon as i receive my herbs. God willing.
Do i have to start the day i get my period? or can i start any day?
also, should i start on 500mg a day, then double it the next day. then go up to 2000 a day?
and when can i start taking 3000mg a day?
is it true that if the growth is still there after your period that it's a keeper?
thanks doc.
Edit Message Delete Message
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 14 2009, 4:47 PM
Hello Ellet,
Start with 500mg on day one of your period. Do this for three days. On the third day evaluate if it is working then decide to go to two 500mg per day. One in the morning, then one at night. After three days, decide if that works for you or if to go further. Going further, add another one at lunch time making the total three 500mg capsules per day (total now 1500mg) ...and so on until you feel growing pains or to a maximum of 3000mg per day.
If you still have your growth on day 10, it's considered permanent. Growth could be lost at any time by losing weight rapidly or by sickness that lowers weight rapidly.
Wahaika
This message has been edited by Wahaika on Oct 14, 2009 4:58 PM
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Butterfly
(Login Butterfly84) Re: Untitled October 15 2009, 1:20 AM
Could someone who was always a small A but grew to a small B while lactating grow beyond their lactating cup size? Like to a full B, small C? I hope..
Wahaika
(Login Wahaika)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Untitled October 15 2009, 6:35 AM
Yep, it's possible and has already been done. (growing beyond lactating size)