[sweetorange]

Hey, Lotus

Quick but actually good question for you: when should cis-females take phytoestrogens? I'm asking this since Chiyomilk took them during follicular phase while MissMadScientist suggested to take em only during luteal phase; and then I see it's pretty common here to use them every day of the cycle.

So, what do you think about it? What would be the best approach?

[Lotus]

Hey, Lotus

Quick but actually good question for you: when should cis-females take phytoestrogens? I'm asking this since Chiyomilk took them during follicular phase while MissMadScientist suggested to take em only during luteal phase; and then I see it's pretty common here to use them every day of the cycle.

So, what do you think about it? What would be the best approach?

That's a great question sweets, I'll post some ideas tomorrow. Have a great night.

[Lotus]

Hey, Lotus

Quick but actually good question for you: when should cis-females take phytoestrogens? I'm asking this since Chiyomilk took them during follicular phase while MissMadScientist suggested to take em only during luteal phase; and then I see it's pretty common here to use them every day of the cycle.

So, what do you think about it? What would be the best approach?

That's a great question sweets, I'll post some ideas tomorrow. Have a great night.

Hi sweets. 

I want to make sure I provide responsible information on this matter, so I'll need more time. I'll post something asap. 

[sweetorange]

Thank you L!

I think it's essential to know this for everyone on this forum " alt="" title="">

[Lotus]

Thank you L!

I think it's essential to know this for everyone on this forum " alt="" title="">

Hi ladies, 

Chiyomilks program in follicular phase was PM, pig placenta and collagen based.

MissEllens program in luteal phase is flaxseed, soy flour and Microgynon-30 BCP (birth control pill) based. Her BCP has 0.15 mg of levonorgestrel (progesterone) and 0.03 mg ethinylestradiol (estrogen).

Here's where I ask for the ladies (who's interested in helping) of this forum to list they're menstrual cycle (e.g. 28 days?, 32 days?). I need to get an average. 

Where I'm going with this?. We're going to break breast growth into 4 stages. For example, in early follicular day 0 to day 5 morphological changes are absent (meaning, chance of breast growth during these days are zero).

Stage 1) Early follicular Day 0 to Day 5
Stage 2) Late follicular Day 6 to Day 15
Stage 3) Early luteal Day 16 to Day 24
Stage 4) Late luteal Day 25 to Day 28. 

I want to lay out the best days to advance breast growth based on scientific research relating to what hormones are present and what's happening to breast lobules...or more to the point—aveolargenesis.

Additionally, we can link what phytoestrogens and/or natural therapies we have available during each one of these stages. 

Please, I encourage newbies and senior members to participate, please don't be shy...this will help you streamline your breast growth.
L.

Also, if you can include what herbals (if any) you are currently taking during each phase it would be extremely helpful.

Has anyone ever used kinesio tape (KT for short) for covering nipples while pumping?. I found it extremely durable, thus eliminating the need for TP rolls and the like. In fact, you get a nice round pull during a pump session.

[sweetorange]

Hello, Lotus!

My cycle depends on the month, sometimes is 30 and sometimes 28. The last two months have been 28, but I recall february/march/april have been 30.

Noppe, I haven't tried the KT. Is it effective??!

PS: I just take Zinc daily (15mg currently) and DIM day 6 to 12 once a day.

[Lotus]

Hello, Lotus!

My cycle depends on the month, sometimes is 30 and sometimes 28. The last two months have been 28, but I recall february/march/april have been 30.

Noppe, I haven't tried the KT. Is it effective??!

PS: I just take Zinc daily  (15mg currently) and DIM day 6 to 12 once a day.

Hi sweets, 

You gave good homework assignment for me.? Aside from Chiyomilk and Missellen's programs I want to share what direction I'm heading for. In the upcoming posts I'll share a 3 part series of the following:

1. How to address differential body types based on hormones. Meaning when/how can we manipulate desired body shape(s) based on menstrual cycles.
   
2. Facial attractiveness based on cycles...and of course, there's scientific evidence supporting upcoming findings. (no make-up required).
   
3. Follicular/Luteal breast development (with coordinated herbal and natural methods). This one lol...will be the most ambitious undertaking yet. 
   

Btw, thanks for sharing your cycle (w/supplements). The KT (kinesio tape) is really an unexpected pleasant find. I found as long as you apply the type inside the dome (covering as much of the breast and nipple as possible) you'll get a uniform compression. Two ways addressing nipple coverage:

1. Straight direct tape application over the nipple. The drawback to this application is removing the tape. I might be unpleasant for some lol.
   
2. Cover the nipple with something, cloth?circular unpleed KT tape over the nipple?...whatever you find to cover the nipple. 
   

So what I found is the KT tape is breathable, or rather expandable under pressure. I used the XL contour domes, and as long as I followed the above mentioned steps the tape held up, even for my size, and my breasts swell to around 850cc under pressure. Try it out, hope it works for you.

[sweetorange]

Hello, Lotus!

My cycle depends on the month, sometimes is 30 and sometimes 28. The last two months have been 28, but I recall february/march/april have been 30.

Noppe, I haven't tried the KT. Is it effective??!

PS: I just take Zinc daily  (15mg currently) and DIM day 6 to 12 once a day.

Hi sweets, 

You gave good homework assignment for me.? Aside from Chiyomilk and Missellen's programs I want to share what direction I'm heading for. In the upcoming posts I'll share a 3 part series of the following:

1. How to address differential body types based on hormones. Meaning when/how can we manipulate desired body shape(s) based on menstrual cycles.
   
2. Facial attractiveness based on cycles...and of course, there's scientific evidence supporting upcoming findings. (no make-up required).
   
3. Follicular/Luteal breast development (with coordinated herbal and natural methods). This one lol...will be the most ambitious undertaking yet.  " alt="" title="">
   

Btw, thanks for sharing your cycle (w/supplements). The KT (kinesio tape) is really an unexpected pleasant find. I found as long as you apply the type inside the dome (covering as much of the breast and nipple as possible) you'll get a uniform compression. Two ways addressing nipple coverage:

1. Straight direct tape application over the nipple. The drawback to this application is removing the tape. I might be unpleasant for some lol.
   
2. Cover the nipple with something, cloth?circular unpleed KT tape over the nipple?...whatever you find to cover the nipple. 
   

So what I found is the KT tape is breathable, or rather expandable under pressure. I used the XL contour domes, and as long as I followed the above mentioned steps the tape held up, even for my size, and my breasts swell to around 850cc under pressure. Try it out, hope it works for you.

You're AMAZING!!

[sweetorange]

Hey L,

A dumbo-question: forskolin inhibits somatostatin, right? but it is also an aromatase?

I still thinking how to approach the hormone road in my case. I am working in adding up the zinc until I reach 30mg. Then I guess I will upgrade it to 50-70mg for a short period of time, 2 months or so (it can deplete copper) . As you said, I read that at these levels it starts to inhibit quite a lot the DHT.

Now my concerns are, two:

1.- what will happen when I reach 50-70mg? I mean if I block DHT but there's not any aromatase I won't see a growth spurt  in my breasts I guess unless I take White Peony or another aromatase.

2.- And this brings up my second issue: I guess if I put down DHT my muscle building will stop and I'll maintain all I've gained - but what will happen if I add an aromatase?

Also, as far as I seen others and in my case: this does not happen overnight, meaning we may need more than 90 days to see improvement/results. So, this shall be taken with love and patience " alt="" title="">  !

[Lotus]

Hi Sweets, aw thanks, you're pretty awesome too.

Somatostatin inhibits estradiol, GH and aromatase, forskolin too. So, we need to take matters into our hands inhibiting somatostatin (see information below).

As I'll outline the process in upcoming posts it'll start to make sense as to how the menstrual cycle, breast growth and overall health can all live harmoniously in the same universe. 

As you deeper into zinc more of DHT is inhibited, tread carefully though, meaning go slowly monitoring changes (less aggressive, agitation, less stinky, reduction in body hair, etc). For cis-females the dosage will factor around how much androgens your already battling (e.g. BMI, age, what part of the menstrual cycle your in, etc). 

See, LH (luteinizing hormone) is secreted by the anterior pituitary during the proliferative phase (aka-follicular phase).
Why is this important?. Well, LH stimulates androgens from the theca cells thereby converted by granulosa cells, into estrogens. But really?, where do androgens originate?, glad you asked lol, there synthesized from our daily diet,  aka—cholesterol. I'm getting ahead of myself lol because I'll start explaining mitosis and meiosis…however, mitosis is occuring in the granulosa cells during the follicular phase.
Aromatase activity in human granulosa cells during follicular development and the modulation by follicle-stimulating hormone and insulin
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6422764/

In other words Sweets, we don't need more estrogen in the follicular phase...just more conversion of androgens to aromatase. I got the aromatase angle covered though, it'll come via a specific action (or synthesis) to get the job done. 

I wouldn't worry about the loss of DHT and muscle growth. It's more important how you address muscle recovery after working out. I believe a protein synthesis supplement Leucine helps support muscle recovery.

The following information comes by way of the fellas forum regarding inhibiting somatostatin.

On inhibiting somatostatin, it's in breast growers' interest to inhibit its action. Meaning when somatostatin is released it inhibits prolactin, oral estradiol, adenylyl cyclase, growth hormone and TSH (thyroid releasing hormone)...which also inhibits TRH (Thyrotropin releasing hormone). And inhibiting TRH means no prolactin production. In other words prolactin stimulates the aveolargenesis in the lobules of breasts. Vitamin D3 and MSM are very important for alveolar stimulation. 

When you inhibit adenylyl cyclase you inhibit ATP production, and the end result of that is inhibiting aromatase. Insulin inhibits aromatase too. 

See, estrogen stimulates prolactin and growth hormone, so by somatostatin inhibiting their action it seems like an awful waste for breast growth. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neu...matostatin

Antibody experiments (1) have clearly shown that basal GH levels are elevated when somatostatin is neutralized. 

Somatomedin C has also been implicated in the negative feedback regulation of GH, at least partially by stimulating release of somatostatin (5). 
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.100...-7886-4_18

Most effective way to block somatostatin is in the stomach. The release of somatostatin occurs in two places, the pituitary and in the stomach. I believe our best course of action to inhibit somatostatin is in the stomach via the previous post. 

When you inhibit adenylyl cyclase you inhibit ATP production, and the end result of that is it inhibits aromatase. 

Somatostatin is used for treating Gigantism and Acromegaly, and other various conditions:
https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/somatos...alogs.html

Somatostatin agonists for treatment of acromegaly
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697610/

Thanks for being patient Sweets.