Thank you Prettymama,
Yesss, I'd like that! Booty greed
I'm not going to measure yet. Tape day is next Monday. The day after I last measured, my weight was 84 kg instead of 85, so I had lost a pound in two weeks, instead of gaining one. So I'm going to change very little now. Just wait and see what the maca does.
I added the green tea back in this morning. It's slightly anti-androgen. If my mood turns bad, I can decrease it, or add more maca. If I would break out on maca, I still have plenty of anti-androgens: mint tea, mint-licorice tea, barley grass, and my emergency anti-androgen formula: pumpkin seed oil and SP. I want to balance maca with anti-androgens until my break in October.
I still haven't decided on how to take goat's rue: as tea, or topical? I have olive and borage oil, but I don't like messy. Maybe in glycerin or carbomer gel.
It's strange how many people suddenly think goat's rue now. Before MydreamisGcup's success with only PM and L-arginine and a multi, there were only three programs: Greenbush, Eve M, and Chiyomilk. Right now I'm one of the maca girls. Both lled34aa and GorgeousBlonde are on PM and goat's rue. I worked with MoK217 on cycling PM, and with Belabrasil and Bibi on cycling phyto-estrogens and phyto-progestins. I wonder what else is possible.
Susan came up with FG and PM. I can't see why not: FG is not a phyto-estrogen. It should work more or less like PM and GR, so we can just wait until lled34aa and GorgeousBlonde update.
Another very simple program would be aguaje and L-arginine. Because aguaje contains lots of vitamins, the multi is no longer necessary. A B complex may do. I wonder if anyone on the forum lives in a place where they sell fresh aguaje.
The "potency" of 8-prenylnaringenin in hops and deoxymiroestrol in PM is not very different. Alexis wrote she's considering to try this combination.