[chiquitabella]

Hi Isabelle! I hope you are doing well. I wanted to ask your opinion on a cream

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000GFJJHY

Because the progesterone is from soy, is this something I could use anytime? Or is it still the last half of the cycle? Or should I not use it at all because it is still a progesterone cream and might interfere with my results?
Hope you don't mind me asking on your thread!

Deionized water, aloe vera gel, esteryl alcohol, caprylic/capric triglyceride, glycerin, cromollient SCE, glyceryl cocoate, cetyl alcohol, natural progesterone USP from soy (500 mg per ounce), dimethicone, wild yam extract, tocopheryl acetate (natural vitamin E), glyceryl stearate, stearic acid, jojoba oil, squalene, triethanolamine, methylparaben, lecithin phospholipid, xanthan gum, propylparaben, potassium benzoate, disodium EDTA, rosemary oil, panax ginseng root extract and grapefruit seed extract, 500mg of progesterone per ounce and 22mg per 1/4 teaspoon.

[Isabelle]

Hi chiquitabella,

It's a strange cocktail. It doesn't only contain the progesterone, but wild yam extract, which is for the second half of the cycle, and panax ginseng extract, which is an estriol herb. Estriol is the estrogen of pregnant women. It's as effective as estradiol for NBE, if it's applied every 1-4 hours. Between longer intervals, the estrogenic effect drops rapidly. So on average between normal application times, it's not a sufficiently strong estrogen to limit its use to the first half of the cycle.

So overall, I'd say this cream is for the second half of the cycle.

I don't think the fact that the progesterone is synthesized from soy makes a difference. In the end, it's progesterone. "USP" means it's United States Pharmacopeia (USP) grade progesterone. Only, I couldn't find on
www.usp.org
what criteria a progesterone product has to meet to be USP grade.

[Isabelle]

I have used 320 g of broken flax seed since December 13th:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=8419&pid=41669#pid41669

That's 320 g in 19+31+4=54 days, or 5,900 mg a day. I want to go down to 3,000 mg, but not now: first wait until I finish my bag of oat flakes, so I get a confirmation of the oats dose. I emptied the previous bag of oat flakes at 14,500 mg a day, but since decreased the dose to half of that.

Flax seed increase Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), and oats decrease it. Since SHBG increases naturally with age, I want to keep the oats dose well above the flax dose.

[Pansy-Mae]

I don't think the fact that the progesterone is synthesized from soy makes a difference. In the end, it's progesterone. "USP" means it's United States Pharmacopeia (USP) grade progesterone. Only, I couldn't find on
www.usp.org
what criteria a progesterone product has to meet to be USP grade.

Hi both,
The following quote form the Wellsprings site may be of interest:

Each sealed jar of Serenity Natural Progesterone Cream contains 2.1ozs (60gm/60ml) of the finest quality liposome moisturising cream with not less than 1,260 mgs of USP Pharmaceutical grade bio-identical Natural Progesterone extracted in the USA from plant saponins.
The Certified-Potency Natural Progesterone content (2.34%) has been carefully calculated so those who suffer with the symptoms resulting from unopposed oestrogen can utilise the cream on a schedule which parallels their own body’s natural cycles of progesterone production.
http://www.progesterone.co.uk/whatisit.htm

[Isabelle]

Thank you Pansy-Mae,

So it just means the progesterone is pharmaceutical grade, then. That's probably why I couldn't find a specific standard for progesterone on the USP site.

[Isabelle]

Weight is back to 84 kg. OK, before the week-end, it was 82 kg. Breasts haven't grown, but Waist to Hip Ratio (WHR) is back where it was before my elder daughter's birthday party two weeks ago.

So tripling my goat's rue dose to three cups a day hasn't helped for breast growth. I won't decrease it now, because I want to experiment with reducing the flax dose from 6 to 3 g. Just because 6 g sounds too much like a stalling dose, and because flax increases SHBG, which goes up with age anyhow.

Height: 178.5 cm = 5 * 30.48 + 10 * 2.54 = 5' 10"
Weight: 84.0 kg * 2.2046 lbs/kg = 185 lbs
Body Mass Index (BMI): 84.0/1.785/1.785 = 26.4
Breast: 114 cm = 45 "
Under: 96 cm = 38" Difference Breast - Under = 114 - 96 = 18 cm = 7 ", US bra size 42C
Waist: 87 cm = 34"
Hip: 103 cm = 41" (actually the widest part around my butt)
Waist to hip ratio (WHR): 87/103 = 0.86

Progress:
Day 11/7 26/7 08/8 22/8 05/9 19/9 3/10 17/10 31/10 14/11 28/11 12/12 27/12 09/1 23/1 06/2
BMI: 26.5 26.4 26.2 25.7 25.3 26.0 25.70 25.70 25.70 25.60 26.00 25.90 25.90 25.7 26.7 26.4
B-U: 8.00 5.00 8.00 8.00 8.00 10.0 10.00 13.00 11.00 14.00 15.00 16.00 16.00 17.0 18.0 18.0
WHR 0.95 .945 0.94 0.92 0.92 0.96 0.930 0.940 0.910 0.880 0.880 0.880 0.870 0.84 0.86 0.84
B-U = Breast - Under in cm

I deleted the goals from the right hand side of this table. I wanted a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 23.0 by early 2014, which is still feasible, but I have to be careful with herbs that put on weight, like maca, and possibly fenugreek.

The difference between bust and underbust is already 18 cm, where I wanted 15 cm by early 2014, and 20 cm by 2016. Less than an inch to go, to a 42D.

Waist Hip Ratio is doing well: from 0.95 to 0.84 in six months. That shows that the fenugreek dose, which is around 3 g now, is high enough. My goal is to reach the optimum WHR for a man, 0.80, by early 2014. By 2016, I want to be at the optimum for a woman, 0.70. Four years ago, I wore a 26 " corset to parties. My routine size was 28 ". Now that I have a 41 " butt, those corsets would give me WHRs of 0.63 and 0.68. Comfortable lacing is 4 ", so with my 34 " waist, I could fit into my 28 " corsets again, and close them by the end of the night. Hmmm, makes me want to try again

[Isabelle]

I was at www.vanderpigge.nl today to buy 300 g maca root powder from Mattisson. Still € 16.95.

My younger daughter gave me a set of three face products from the body shop, with maca in them. Face wash, eye serum, and toner/moisturizer. I didn't even know maca topicals exist. Wonder what they'll do to my face. Or my breasts

[lostacres6]

Isabelle,
I am at awe learning info from your extensive NBE knowledge. Are you in the medical field or is your knowledge purely from extensive research?
I'm also confused about GR so I've turned to you for clarification. What exactly is the role of GR in NBE? What is the uppermost limits on how much to take? If you stop GR, will all your "results" disappear?
Thanks for taking the time to read my questions.

[Isabelle]

Thank you lostacres6,

My degree is in chemical engineering. Sometimes, I wonder if NBE is at all a medical field. It looks more like a construction project. I have been a professional researcher for 25 years, so literature, experiments, and checking the scientific basis, are routine activites. I would love to do this for a living

Goat's Rue (GR) increases prolactin, so it causes swelling, and it improves insulin sensitivity, so it's a waist slimmer and an antidiabetic. The herb is toxic, but the tea is safe. I have used 4,500 mg a day for three months, and up to 10,000 mg on one day. There is no stalling dose.

Stopping GR after days or weeks will cause the results to deflate. The theory about swelling, though, is that stretched tissue grows in a matter of months. About the feeling of fullness, I don't know: I think it will always help to drink GR tea on the day of the party.

I know goat's rue extract and capsules are overpriced. So I just buy dried, chopped herb to make tea in a tea infuser mug. Other than cost, I have no problem with a maintenance dose. GR may not be the best example, but many other NBE herbs are just health foods. NBE teas just replaced the coffee and soda I used to drink.

[beachbumbythesea]

Hi Isabelle,

How are you!!!! Sorry for not posting.. I have been reading but most of the time too tired to think..reading is easier.. Also been busy and been reading alot about antiadrogens and supps.. I have a question.. I order a green mix powder to supplement my daily vitamins and minerals and nutrients, and it has a vitamin A that is new to ME and wanted to know if you can tell about it, is it greens from the sea and is it better for you then ..scroll down and it gives a break down of the different A's from sea algea and also can you tell me if taking this would be too much for my hormones or how it would effect them If it is hard to read that go to this link it is easier to read:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail

Supplement Facts
Serving Size 1 Tablespoon (8.5 grams)

Servings Per Container 35

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 35
Calories from Fat 10
Total Fat 1 gram 2%†
Saturated Fat 0 grams 0%
Trans Fat 0 grams
Total Carbohydrate 5 grams 2%†
Dietary Fiber 2 grams 8%†
Protein 2 grams
Vitamin A
(as beta-carotene from 103 mg Betatene® D. Salina Dunaliella Sea Algae) 10,000 IU 200%
Iron 1 mg 5%
Sodium 20 mg 1%†
Soy Lecithin 2.14 grams *
Spirulina 1.36 grams *
Apple Fiber 1.35 grams *
Wheat Grass 445 mg *
Alfalfa Leaf 435 mg *
Barley Bran 435 mg *
Brown Rice 350 mg *
Chlorella (broken cell wall) 350 mg *
Soy Sprout 350 mg *
Beet 335 mg *
Natural Mixed Carotenoids
(from Betatene® D. salina Dunaliella Sea Algae) 103 mg *
Beta-Carotene
(from Dunaliella Sea Algae) 7.3 mg *:
Alpha-Carotene
(from Dunaliella Sea Algae) 270 mcg *
Cryptoxanthan
(from Dunaliella Sea Algae) 77 mcg *
Lutein
(from Dunaliella Sea Algae) 39 mcg *
Zeaxanthin
(from Dunaliella Sea Algae) 39 mcg *
Lactobacillus Probiotic Culture
(4 billion CFU per gram at time of manufacture) L. acidophilus, L. bulgaris, L. bifidus, L. lactis, L. rhamnosus, L. casei, L. plantarum, L. brevis, L. salivarius 200 mg *
Bee Pollen 150 mg *
Royal Jelly 150 mg *
Acerola Cherry 115 mg *
Barley Grass 97 mg *
Licorice Root 60 mg *
Dulse Thallus 20 mg *
Ginkgo biloba 20 mg *
Grapeseed Extract
(90% proanthocyanidins) 20 mg *
Green Tea Extract
(50% polyphenols) (leaf) 20 mg *
Milk Thistle Seed Extract
(80% silymarin) 20 mg *
Astragalus Root 10 mg *
Bilberry (fruit) 10 mg *
Echinacea Root 10 mg *
Eleuthero Root 10 mg


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