[Helena St]

I am so excited, I just ordered the Ladies pureria...now I need to figure out how to put it in my program. Since I do not cycle, I feel like it would be too expensive to take all month, so I am thinking about taking it the first half of the month and doing 2X siriporn the second half.

I would also like to make some topical out of their pills. I will alreay have a mixture of Emu, borage and Zhi mu mixing, I wonder if I should put it in that? The only thing is, to me it looks like a little white pill so I am guessing that means it is probably a water soluable extract? I dont know if that means I should dissolve it into some sort of lotion or ceam and that would be the best way to get it delivered or not.

[mochaccino]

I don't know if you're talking about the Ladies PM or the Siriporn, but the Ladies PM is a solid tablet like an aspirin, not a capsule, so I don't think that attempting to make a cream from it will work very well. You might be able to make some kind of topical out of the siriporn, but you'll need to steep it in oil, or alcohol, for at least a week or two, then strain it well. Even then you can't be sure that a lot of miroestrol will be extracted. I've been trying to figure out a viable option to the Ladies PM cream, which is super expensive. For now I'm just going to continue to use Robust. It's really cheap and seems a little better than a lot of the other inexpensive options.

[Doll]

I love how everyone here is so willing to experiment. Lol

I used to use aspirin as a face mask for acne, and the pill dissolved in just water in about a minute. I know most pills don't, so maybe you can crush it up and set it in a few drops of water overnight and see what happens with it. If it does dissolve, it will still be grainy, but I've made grainy breast creams before and they worked really well. I would just apply it at night and dust it off in the morning. lol

[Helena St]

Yeah, I think I will try it (with the ladies PM) If its a white pill like aspirin it would probably have to be made out of an extract right?

I was a little confused about how that worked, I know with the whole herb powders they need to steep, but I dont think a water soluable powered EXTRACT (like my Zhi Mu) needs to steep, since its already "extracted" it just needs like rehydrated then added to a lotion right? once its rehydrated it basically becomes a liquid extract again? The only thing is, I wasnt sure how well it would be absorbed into the skin.

I emailed greenbush, and they didnt answer my questions about powdered extracts, but they did say that the liquid extracts work even better added to topicals than the regular whole powered herbs steeped do......soooo I'm thinking that little white pill will maybe work in the topicals, I dont want to buy the japanese cream.

This was the ONLY info I could find online about using powdered extracts topically - http://http://www.naturalbeautyworkshop....racts.html IDk why the link isnt working right, but it is the first normal web page in the search, under natural beauty workshop

As for my internal PM plan, I think it may look something like this
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[Helena St]

I decided maybe ramping up PM pills sooner is a better idea, normally I ramp up later in my cycle like around day 17 but I didnt get a lot of feelings last month so I went to 2 siriporn last night (day 13) I only did 3 days of 1 pill since I start my PM on day 11.

I definately have aching busy breasts today A little itchy too. I feel like they are sticking out more, it must have to do with the milk ducts, but I cant see any difference. I will see if the feelings continue through the month, or just last a few days.

I also wonder if doing the dandelion during my period helped.

[AbiDrew85]

I decided maybe ramping up PM pills sooner is a better idea, normally I ramp up later in my cycle like around day 17 but I didnt get a lot of feelings last month so I went to 2 siriporn last night (day 13) I only did 3 days of 1 pill since I start my PM on day 11.

See my thread for info on the female cycle. Estrogen tends to, on average, reach it's ceiling around day 14 of the cycle and then start falling to reach a valley by day 16. It then rises again to half the ceiling and stays steady until it starts falling again day 22, reaching its floor by around day 27. Ramping up while it's falling probably wouldn't do you much good if any. So this makes sense.

Honestly, you might consider starting to ramp up around day 8 and starting it around day 3. You might even consider trying out my dosing plan, but with PM only, maybe PC. I've designed it based on a 28 day cycle, so you might need to stretch it out some if you have a longer cycle. IMO, it'd probably be best to simply elongate the floor segment though. The "floor" is from day 27 to 3.

Good luck!

[Helena St]

I decided maybe ramping up PM pills sooner is a better idea, normally I ramp up later in my cycle like around day 17 but I didnt get a lot of feelings last month so I went to 2 siriporn last night (day 13) I only did 3 days of 1 pill since I start my PM on day 11.

See my thread for info on the female cycle. Estrogen tends to, on average, reach it's ceiling around day 14 of the cycle and then start falling to reach a valley by day 16. It then rises again to half the ceiling and stays steady until it starts falling again day 22, reaching its floor by around day 27. Ramping up while it's falling probably wouldn't do you much good if any. So this makes sense.

Honestly, you might consider starting to ramp up around day 8 and starting it around day 3. You might even consider trying out my dosing plan, but with PM only, maybe PC. I've designed it based on a 28 day cycle, so you might need to stretch it out some if you have a longer cycle. IMO, it'd probably be best to simply elongate the floor segment though. The "floor" is from day 27 to 3.

Good luck!

Thanks Abidrew. Im not sure how much this all applies to me since I am on birth control. I havent found ANYTHING on what it does to your hormone levels, except info saying it basically keeps your hormones in the same phase of your cycle (what phase that is IDK) I even called the Dr. and talked to the nurse and she seemed clueless. I got tested on day 20 or 21 with like less than .5 estrogen, 60 progesterone (which is a little high for those on birth control but low for a normal person) low testosterone and high androgens (which I think I have changed with diet).

I dont know if I am still getting any estrogen spike early in the month, so I will probably test that at some point. It seems that my body is still making a little progesterone in the luteal phase though.

[AbiDrew85]

Any idea what kind of BCP? Progestin only or progestin + estrogen?

Your progesterone could be "high for those on birth control" if it's the latter, because the progestin is usually weaker.

I'm afraid I don't really know a lot about conventional birth control though, so I can't really help you understand anything about that.

[Helena St]

It's lutera, low dose estrogen and progesterone. This is what the saliva test/survey of symptoms showed. This is a computer automated response giving me reasons why my hormone levels could show what they do according to some of the symptoms I listed + bioavailable hormone levels (some symptoms which have improves like acne)

I was on herbs at the time, FG FN SP and WY.

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[Helena St]

Making some notes to myself -

This cycle (3) I ramped up to 2 siriporn pills after I think 3 days of taking 1. Normally I ramp up later in my cycle. This seemed to work out very well. I got some good aches, and even my nipples seemed prominent. A little soreness overall also. Today is day 21 and I decided to try going to 3 pills today and see what happens. I will take 3 till day 27 unless I get adverse affects. My breasts actually feel a little bigger, mostly the left one. Normally I dont get cyclic swelling, but it could be from that. I dont know if I want to take pics yet I May wait till the end of this cycle to evaluate.

If I have gained it could be from:
-PM finally having effect (this is 3rd month)
-Adding Borage oil, emu oil and Zhi Mu daily
-Trying to gain a little fat this week. Using coleus and lipoderm during night/morning fasts to keep fat off the tummy, thighs, and arms...hopefully directing it to breast.


Other things I have done this month -

Stopped Saw palmetto. My skin had cleared up pretty well, but may be getting a little acne back from eating halloween candy the last week

Randomly adding liquid dandelion to my robust. Once in a while add goats rue.

Randomly I will take dandelion internally also.