[surferjoe2007]

If you're not worried about lowering testosterone and want testosterone, testicle activity and fertility as high as possible here's the way:
- 2,000 mg 100:1 tongkat ali. Begin with 500 mg and increase as long as the soreness isn't uncomfortable.
- Any amount of fenugreek, shatavari or goat's rue or their extracts. Increase as long as the soreness isn't uncomfortable.
- 30 mg zinc. Or zinc + manganese. Or oysters and mussels are even better for a wider variety of important minerals including these two.

Maca and/or DHEA help a little but they're pretty weak sauce. Likewise for a few other herbs like nettle. The first two options are in their own league. Zinc, manganese and etc. aren't helpful so much as they are essential. Extra won't help more if you're already getting enough from food, but you can't have male function without them. It's common to have low zinc though.

Thank you. And how much PM should go with this regime? I sent you a message also.

I don't know really. I only know that these by themselves are good for male function and that they may block some detrimental estrogen effects on male function. But I don't know how well they block estrogen's effects on male function if you're intentionally adding a lot.

And PM isn't as harmful to male function as real estrogen which can drop male function to zero after not too long. Some in the forums managed ok for a bit. Search the forums and gather lots of examples after different periods of time.