22-03-2015, 03:54
(22-03-2015, 03:25)surferjoe2007 Wrote:I'm a full 32a and I have good nutrition(22-03-2015, 01:07)Beautywithboobs Wrote:Oh I did not notice that you started as 32aa. Nutrition would be the best place to start then. Look at the program in my signature.(21-03-2015, 23:03)surferjoe2007 Wrote:(21-03-2015, 22:16)Beautywithboobs Wrote:All 3 and more. I read a lot of studies showing it is estrogenic, but only in those who already have estrogen. Other studies say it has progesterone effects but only in those who already have progesterone. Others say it has prolactin effects but only in those who already have prolactin. And so on. I think it is an amplifier or increases sensitivity. That is why fenugreek by itself is good. It does everything as long as you already have some to start with. If you are missing a hormone or you have no breasts at all then it may not be as good. If you have too much testosterone or insulin then fenugreek may be a problem because it can make them even higher unless you lower them first. That is probably why fenugreek and saw palmetto is such a good combination: raise everything, except lower testosterone. But only use saw palmetto if your testosterone is not already too low. If you have too much insulin (hypoglycemia), then don't use fenugreek.(21-03-2015, 21:50)surferjoe2007 Wrote: I hope I am not being in a bother but since you are in a hurry I will add what I know...
Fenugreek and saw palmetto is a popular combination. But either 6,000 mg fenugreek or about 3,000 mg fenugreek + 3,000 mg something else (like wild yam) is a more typical amount. With only 3,000 mg you should be very patient and 3 months might not be long enough. You can also find a 50% saponin fenugreek extract and then you only need a little bit, 300 mg or more. This is what Anon uses; it is not the same as fenugreek that is not an extract. Some women with low testosterone do not need saw palmetto, and making your testosterone too low may be a problem. If you lose libido, stop using saw palmetto. Likewise you can use about 3,000 mg saw palmetto or 320 mg saw palmetto extract with around 90% fatty acids. For both fenugreek and saw palmetto an extract with ##% of something is much more, so you only use a little bit if it is an extract standardized to ##% of something. If it is not an extract you use a lot more. More information is in my sig.
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Do u know if fenugreek is estrogenic progress throne or prolactin there is a lot of debate going on about that
So is 3000 mg fenugreek a good way to gain a cup size in three months along with 5000mg msm
6,000 mg fenugreek or more and 3,000 mg MSM would be better. A 50% saponin fenugreek extract would be even better than that, like what Anon got. Even 300-1200 mg if it is a 50% saponin fenugreek extract, that is better than 6,000 mg that is not a 50% saponin extract. More than 3,000 mg MSM doesn't help much more. But I don't think fenugreek and MSM will be enough without good nutrition. It might be enough, but probably not. If you use the nutrition in the program in my signature then you also do not need MSM because it already has enough sulfur.
If you are around 32aa or 32a you might have a problem keeping you from growing larger and you should fix that with good nutrition first or you might be stuck.
I think it may take longer than 3 months no matter what because nutrition may take at least 2 months to help, maybe longer.