[surferjoe2007]

Thanks

Do u know if fenugreek is estrogenic progress throne or prolactin there is a lot of debate going on about that

All 3 and more. I read a lot of studies showing it is estrogenic, but only in those who already have estrogen. Other studies say it has progesterone effects but only in those who already have progesterone. Others say it has prolactin effects but only in those who already have prolactin. And so on. I think it is an amplifier or increases sensitivity. That is why fenugreek by itself is good. It does everything as long as you already have some to start with. If you are missing a hormone or you have no breasts at all then it may not be as good. If you have too much testosterone or insulin then fenugreek may be a problem because it can make them even higher unless you lower them first. That is probably why fenugreek and saw palmetto is such a good combination: raise everything, except lower testosterone. But only use saw palmetto if your testosterone is not already too low. If you have too much insulin (hypoglycemia), then don't use fenugreek.

So is 3000 mg fenugreek a good way to gain a cup size in three months along with 5000mg msm

Oh I did not notice that you started as 32aa. Nutrition would be the best place to start then. Look at the program in my signature.

6,000 mg fenugreek or more and 3,000 mg MSM would be better. A 50% saponin fenugreek extract would be even better than that, like what Anon got. Even 300-1200 mg if it is a 50% saponin fenugreek extract, that is better than 6,000 mg that is not a 50% saponin extract. More than 3,000 mg MSM doesn't help much more. But I don't think fenugreek and MSM will be enough without good nutrition. It might be enough, but probably not. If you use the nutrition in the program in my signature then you also do not need MSM because it already has enough sulfur.

If you are around 32aa or 32a you might have a problem keeping you from growing larger and you should fix that with good nutrition first or you might be stuck.

I think it may take longer than 3 months no matter what because nutrition may take at least 2 months to help, maybe longer.

I'm a full 32a and I have good nutrition

Then hopefully you will be ok.

IMO try 600 to 1200 mg 50% saponin fenugreek extract, 3,000 mg MSM and 320 mg saw palmetto extract. If you already bought fenugreek then still buy fenugreek extract and use both, except a little bit less extract. If you react badly to saw palmetto extract then stop using it.

Good luck. Hopefully that will work fast. If not then try the nutritional recipe with rice bran, spirulina, brewer's yeast and so on.