[EllaC]

Did you post in the wrong section?

I don't think the typical herbs for even larger breasts are what you want long term. Fenugreek, maca and most others used for NBE aren't the best option long term. In the short term shrinking causes deflation and sagging, but eventually the skin catches up and less size makes them perkier.

Instead I think you should do:
320 mg saw palmetto extract. To lower DHT testosterone.
2 cups of spearmint tea made from 2 teaspoons dry spearmint leaves each, or 4 tea bags each. To lower other testosterone.
3,000 mg MSM. For lift. Increases elasticity.
At least a little fresh fruit twice a day. Helps the MSM. Consistency is more important than the amount.
Chest presses and chess flies with dumbbells or etc. Google how. More weight is better than more reps. Also for lift. Pulls upward.
Any kind of moisturizer or aloe or etc.

Once your hormone test comes back that will be helpful to see if your progesterone is low relative to your estrogen or not. If it is you can use progesterone cream, which is super strong, or 500 mg vitex, which is very mild.

ty ^_^ im taking maca and fenu so that as I lose weight I wont lose a lot of breasts im trying to regain some of the size I already lost becus they made them even more saggy then they were so since I have a lot to lose I was hoping to pump + herbs and not have a flat chested AAA with devastating sagginess im also taking the maca to balance my hormones and when I go to the docor what do I ask for exactly.. becus last time I went I asked for my hormones to be checked and she did only test and estrogen my estrogen said total estrogens 74 and she has still not gotten back to me to tell me if its low or safe range so im drinking soy milk plus a soy protein powder and vitamin drink with 1 or 2 bananas in the morning for a big liquid breakfast and I take my vitamins and herbs then to. I've been massaging for months now and im not seeing any of the lose skin tighten up :L ALSO QUESTIOON : could I take 2 pills of 320mg of saw palmetto to lower it faster or will that effect my estro level ? cus im having facial hair and its horrible.. I just want it to go away . and where could I post this to get moe replys in the right section , im new to this and I just wanted help I thought this was where I should post it

Saw palmetto extract only blocks the formation of DHT testosterone from regular testosterone so I don't think more will lower it much faster. But it won't hurt either. There's a big safety study done with 3 x 320 mg and most everyone was fine. Though it was done on men I think. That's why instead you add spearmint on top of the saw palmetto extract to reduce regular testosterone too. If you want to try 2 x 320 mg saw palmetto extract then go for it but I don't know if it will make much difference.

If you eat lots of whole grains or bran, making it the largest part of your diet, it provides your body what it needs to balance out hormones on its own.

You don't need very much protein unless you're trying to be an olympic bodybuilder. Your body converts all of the extra into sugar. The effects of this are absolutely identical in every way to the sugar you get from starches or fats. Including the effects on insulin. Nearly everyone already gets plenty from their diet, so a powder is only empty calories with no benefit whatsoever. I'm guessing the obsession over protein is pushed by the overgrown meat and dairy industries.

Surfer in your studies have you found that saw palmetto is also used as an appetite stimulant suitable for convalescence ? In which case it might cause weight gain? (For which I'd be totally grateful btw?) I've also learnt (googled) saw palmetto is an anti estrogen so what is the benefit of people taking both FG and SP at the same time ? Or do you have to cycle it?
Why would you tKe FG to raise hormones only to kill estrogens with saw palmetto? All this confuses me..

me to I read that on the forums and was super confused so I started to take an extra fenugreek pill just incase and im only going to take 1 saw palm cus im already little low in estro.

Too much Sp will upset your tummy too (well not everyone) but I found even one 160mg of SP would instantly give me pimples. Then theres cellulite.. which might come in part with the increase in weight if it has that effect on you.