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First half of the cycle?
January 17 2006 at 11:22 AM Solitaire (no login)
A herbalist once told me that herbs for natural breast enhancement should be taken for the first half of the cycle only. Does anyone know the reason for this advice? It does not seem a widespread idea in NBE but I remember this herbalist being quite definite about it.
SugarQ
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Re: First half of the cycle?
January 17 2006, 6:27 PM
There are many ways of trying to understand and reason with why a doctors or herbalists would reommend taking herbs half the cycle. at around half way though a cycle estrogen peaks and progestrone is elevated. its beleived that having too much estrogen at this time is just as bad for NBE and having low levels. it prevents growth. so taking any prescription estrogen drugs or herb during the time when estrogen is already pretty high my prevent growth and probably cause some irregular cycles.
For example Mirifem (a pm pill an cream brand) had a pill that the recommeded people take from day 1(when you start your period. at this time estrogen and progesterone levels should be at their lowest) to day 15 (estrogen and progesterone levels should be elevated). after that you dont take any pills until the next cycle begins. Mirifem had Pills with 200mg of Pueraria Mirifica (which is as far the herb with the strongest Phytoestrogens) and you take 4 a day. i dont think its an accident that the makers recommmed this way of using their product. but now they reformulated Mirifem pills to a 1 a day capsule of 100mg and you take this through out the cycle. so that is a big difference.
with other herbs like fennel and fenugreek im not too sure whats the best way to use it. fenugreek is not considered a strong phytoestrogen and there are many women with success with taking it though out the month with some breaks every 3-12 months. other herbs like red clover, licorice root, hops etc are considered high in phytoestrogens. but there is some debate on weither they act like estrogen enough to cause NBE or do they lower natrual estrogen levels in the body. so i really cant say which is the most effect way to take other herbs for nbe. maybe someone like molly with some more background may chime in with some advice but as far as i know you are suppose to take other herbs through out the month.
you can try taking herbs for half a cycle for a 3-6 months and see if you get any results. if not then switch to a full cycle. this would mean that you would have to do more trial and error work with your routine if you are using individual herbs. you already have to do adjustments with dosages which already can take some time to find the right mix for you.now you have to figure out if you get better results with a half cycle or full cycle routine. if you are a person who does trial and error methodically and you give enough time in between changes(2-3 months) to see if those changes make a difference then this will be a very expensive and time consuming method. it can take well over 2 years to figure out that NBE herbs dont work for you. but there really isnt a way to get around trial and error because there is no method or science that can give the perfect formula for NBE specifically for you. this topic is really interesting and members should think about it before they start a routine.
the half cycle routine isnt nearly as common a method as the full cycle so it would be interesting to see if people do end up getting better result with it.
hopefully someone else chimes in soon with another view to share cause im really interested as well to learn more.
prettysoulful
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Re: First half of the cycle?
January 18 2006, 2:58 PM
Many people have the belief that estrogen and follicular growth are the most important facets to lasting BE. As a result the emphasis is placed on this time in the cycle which is the first half of the cycle. This belief is based on the idea that since estrogen causes the body to store fat, that only growth during this phase will remain, and growth at any other time is merely swelling that will go away later in the cycle or after NBE ends.
Others take a more holistic view of the process. The role of progesterone, prolactin, and HgH is not dismissed.
'Progesterone promotes development of the lobules and alveoli of the breasts causing the alveolar cells to proliferate to enlarge and to become secretory in nature. However, progesterone does not cause the alveoli to secrete milk unless stimulated by prolactin from the pituitary. Progesterone cause the breasts to enlarge partially due to changes in the lobules and alveoli, but also partly from increased fluid retention in subcutaneous tissues.'
For that reason, the whole cycle is addressed during NBE. For some, massage alone(prolactin stimulation) can encourage growth; the same goes for using only natural progesterone cream. Each woman is different.
Personally, most of my growth has taken place during my luteal phase(when estrogen is low and progesterone is high). And except for an inch plus lost during whole body weight-loss, I have retained this growth for nearly a year.
Molly
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Re: First half of the cycle?
January 24 2006, 8:14 AM
Was it a Chinese herbalist? This idea only seems popular in China and other countries in the Far East. Herbalists in European and American countries don't seem to accept it.
January 17 2006 at 11:22 AM Solitaire (no login)
A herbalist once told me that herbs for natural breast enhancement should be taken for the first half of the cycle only. Does anyone know the reason for this advice? It does not seem a widespread idea in NBE but I remember this herbalist being quite definite about it.
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: First half of the cycle?
January 17 2006, 6:27 PM
There are many ways of trying to understand and reason with why a doctors or herbalists would reommend taking herbs half the cycle. at around half way though a cycle estrogen peaks and progestrone is elevated. its beleived that having too much estrogen at this time is just as bad for NBE and having low levels. it prevents growth. so taking any prescription estrogen drugs or herb during the time when estrogen is already pretty high my prevent growth and probably cause some irregular cycles.
For example Mirifem (a pm pill an cream brand) had a pill that the recommeded people take from day 1(when you start your period. at this time estrogen and progesterone levels should be at their lowest) to day 15 (estrogen and progesterone levels should be elevated). after that you dont take any pills until the next cycle begins. Mirifem had Pills with 200mg of Pueraria Mirifica (which is as far the herb with the strongest Phytoestrogens) and you take 4 a day. i dont think its an accident that the makers recommmed this way of using their product. but now they reformulated Mirifem pills to a 1 a day capsule of 100mg and you take this through out the cycle. so that is a big difference.
with other herbs like fennel and fenugreek im not too sure whats the best way to use it. fenugreek is not considered a strong phytoestrogen and there are many women with success with taking it though out the month with some breaks every 3-12 months. other herbs like red clover, licorice root, hops etc are considered high in phytoestrogens. but there is some debate on weither they act like estrogen enough to cause NBE or do they lower natrual estrogen levels in the body. so i really cant say which is the most effect way to take other herbs for nbe. maybe someone like molly with some more background may chime in with some advice but as far as i know you are suppose to take other herbs through out the month.
you can try taking herbs for half a cycle for a 3-6 months and see if you get any results. if not then switch to a full cycle. this would mean that you would have to do more trial and error work with your routine if you are using individual herbs. you already have to do adjustments with dosages which already can take some time to find the right mix for you.now you have to figure out if you get better results with a half cycle or full cycle routine. if you are a person who does trial and error methodically and you give enough time in between changes(2-3 months) to see if those changes make a difference then this will be a very expensive and time consuming method. it can take well over 2 years to figure out that NBE herbs dont work for you. but there really isnt a way to get around trial and error because there is no method or science that can give the perfect formula for NBE specifically for you. this topic is really interesting and members should think about it before they start a routine.
the half cycle routine isnt nearly as common a method as the full cycle so it would be interesting to see if people do end up getting better result with it.
hopefully someone else chimes in soon with another view to share cause im really interested as well to learn more.
prettysoulful
(no login)
Re: First half of the cycle?
January 18 2006, 2:58 PM
Many people have the belief that estrogen and follicular growth are the most important facets to lasting BE. As a result the emphasis is placed on this time in the cycle which is the first half of the cycle. This belief is based on the idea that since estrogen causes the body to store fat, that only growth during this phase will remain, and growth at any other time is merely swelling that will go away later in the cycle or after NBE ends.
Others take a more holistic view of the process. The role of progesterone, prolactin, and HgH is not dismissed.
'Progesterone promotes development of the lobules and alveoli of the breasts causing the alveolar cells to proliferate to enlarge and to become secretory in nature. However, progesterone does not cause the alveoli to secrete milk unless stimulated by prolactin from the pituitary. Progesterone cause the breasts to enlarge partially due to changes in the lobules and alveoli, but also partly from increased fluid retention in subcutaneous tissues.'
For that reason, the whole cycle is addressed during NBE. For some, massage alone(prolactin stimulation) can encourage growth; the same goes for using only natural progesterone cream. Each woman is different.
Personally, most of my growth has taken place during my luteal phase(when estrogen is low and progesterone is high). And except for an inch plus lost during whole body weight-loss, I have retained this growth for nearly a year.
Molly
(no login)
Re: First half of the cycle?
January 24 2006, 8:14 AM
Was it a Chinese herbalist? This idea only seems popular in China and other countries in the Far East. Herbalists in European and American countries don't seem to accept it.