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About Progesterone Cream
May 23 2007 at 2:32 AM melosh (Login melosh)
Hi waxingmoon
I`m almost done with the second month of using pc. The first month I got a light breakout, didn`t mind that but this month I got a huge breakout. It did nothing to my breasts but it gave me at least 20 new pimples on my back and 10 on my face. i`m thinking about quitting. I know it`s supposed to give an initial breakout as it clears the estrogen receptors but it seems like the breakouts are getting worse. Vitex slowly reduced the number of new breakouts down to maybe 1 pimle on my back and 1 on my face a week which is a major improvement for me but know I`m braking out like crazy. I just wanted to get your opinion before I quit cause you`ve been using it for a while and have more experience with it than I do. The brand I use has 500mg progestrone every ounce and I apply about half a teaspoon twice a day.Thanks waxingmoon...
waxingmoon
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Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 23 2007, 3:26 AM
Hi Melosh,
Hey, I would try to stick it out for another month at least. As I understand it, one of the jobs of progesterone in our bodies is to activate estrogen receptors. When you first use progesterone, more estrogen receptors get turned on and are able to bind more estrogen. The net result is an initial worsening of estrogen dominance symptoms - acne being one of them. If you stop now, you will not balance your estrogen - you will in a sense have made yourself more estrogenic.
You need to continue to use the progesterone until you have achieved the balance you are looking for. Next month should be better and the month after that even better. This is not one of those things where you can just use it sporadically at first and expect to benefit.
My first 3 months of use gave me a lot of ED symptoms, but it also calmed some of my symptoms at the same time. I used it for a total of 8 months and this is the first month since September I have not used it. My rate of use was around 60-80 mg per day (days 12 - 28 of cycle) for the first 2 months and then I dropped to 40 mg and then finally to 20 mg. The reading I had done indicated that those with worse symptoms may do better using more at first. However, don't forget this hormone is not without risk. Long-term high mg use is not good and can actually bring on the very symptoms we are trying to reduce (the progesterone receptors become inactive if overloaded).
I also began using Vitex about 3 months into using PC. I think that is what allowed me to finally stop the PC. I was balanced enough my own body could finally take over.
The amount of mg in you PC is correct. Mine was also 500mg per ounce. Check all the ingredients. Mine had other herbs in it. Yours also might and that may be what you are reacting to.
You would do well to consult a book about PC. My favorite was by Dr John Lee: 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause' -don't let the title fool you - it is good reading no matter what your age. In it he outlines how to use PC to eliminate estrogen dominance and he also suggests other steps as well.
So to summarize (dear Lord I go on and on and on...lol) Yes, I think you should continue. Maybe even increase your dosage a little. If you do increase your dosage make sure you are putting it on thin skinned low body-fat areas. You do not want a high amount stored in body fat where it will not go into circulation.
Hope this has been some help - Let me know if you have any other questions (I'll try to limit the novel length of responses... lol)
waxingmoon
melosh
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Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 24 2007, 10:34 PM
Hi waxingmoon
Thanks for your reply. Here is the problem;
I have mediterannean skin meaning my skin heals by darkening. Every new pimple I get turns into a dark blemish which takes anywhere from 4-6 months to completely go away. Every single pimple I get today will be with me as a dark blemish for 6 looooong months. Therefore I reaaallllyyyy don`t want to get new pimples. I still have the marks from pimples I got last year and I`m not kidding.
The reason I decided to use pc is for breast growth only. I had no pms but now thanks to pc I do now and a whole bunch of pimples that will be with me till the end of this year. Pc did nothing to my breasts, some aching but no growth. Also my legs started to itch just like they did in the 7th month of my pregnancy. (Doctor said it happens in many pregnancies and goes away with medication only I took it and it was gone within a week) I `m guessing that too much progestrone is what`s giving me this itch now but I don`t have the guts to go to my doctor and say I used pc for breast growth so I`m praying the itch will go away on it`s own. (I stopped using the cream today)
I get acne when I use estrogenic herbs and I get it when I use progestrone and I guess I should just forget about growing breasts and just go on with my life. PM is highly estrogenic and so is bovine ovary and I don`t have any other options and that leaves me at the dead end.
when I started with the pc I thought I was giving vitex a hand and speeding up the process of raising my progestrone levels but my body didn`t like the extra progestrone. I know things could get better if I continued to use it but I just don`t want to get anymore acne. And also I know you said pc gave you an inch of growth the first month and that`s what happens to women who are ment to grow with it. They usually grow in the first month. Some grow with continued use but as I said every new acne I get will stay with me for six months. I was thinking about taking a trip to europe to visit my parents and friends this summer but I changed my mine cause my face and back are full of acne and blemishes and I`m tired of people asking me what`s wrong with me, why am I still getting acne at the age of 35. I feel embarressed to wear sleevless or backless tops so no trip to europe for me this summer.
Thanks for taking time to answer my post, appreciate it. Lots of hugs and kisses to you.......
annie2
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Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 25 2007, 2:13 AM
OMG!!!!!!!!!! melosh ,i have the same type of skin like u. every pimple i get leaves back a dark spots. You should see my face now. LOl not funny ,since i started NBE my face is a mess. And still i have no improvement in the boobs department i feel like quitting NBE.
Good luck to u.
Ann
waxingmoon
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Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 25 2007, 3:52 AM
Hey Melosh I feel your pain.
My skin is very light and each blemish shows up as a red mark for about... yeah, six months or in some cases 30 years (I'm 44).
My back and my chest are usually free. It all used to happen on my face but now mostly on my neck right near my chin and jaw line. As a result my face is blotchy and lightly pock-marked. My neck has red marks all under the chin.
I wear foundation every day on my face and neck for my work. I do this mostly for other people so they will be more comfortable around me and not fixate on my face.
If I don't wear makeup, sometime people comment. Mostly they just look and look away quickly. Kids can be the worst and have asked me what is wrong with my face. Those people who are the kindest always tell me how clear my skin looks (mind you it's when I am wearing a very opaque foundation - but God bless them anyway).
When I go to the beach I don't wear makeup, just sun-screen. When I go to the gym for myself I don't wear makeup, just sweat. I have learned to be oblivious to others in this regard.
I know this may not help you, but I wish you would go with your friends to the beach. Don't let others ruffle your feathers about a few minor skin problems. A good friend once told me that most people are so insecure about what they look like they don't have any extra brain space to notice what you are looking like. If you have fun and act nonchalant about your blemishes, most other people will pretend not to notice them. Those that don't aren't worth your time.
About the PC. Yeah, if you were not having estrogen dominance symptoms then I would not proceed with it. Especially since your initial reaction was so extreme.
Don't use it just for NBE. Your hormonal balance is too important to risk just for larger breasts. I agree, most who do grow with PC do so very quickly.
Since I have achieved hormonal balance I have not used the PC. I cannot add any strong phytoestrogens, but I do use low dose ones like Flax seed and fennel. I am also trying Fenugreek since I could not find it listed as a phytoestrogen, rather it is a steroidal saponin - which may give it another pathway of action. I am very slowly ramping up the dose and am still well below what many others are taking.
You might try the crushed flax seed or flaxseed oil. If your trouble is over-reaction to estrogen, this can help to block the estrogen receptors with this very low dose phytoestrogen. That should at least help with the acne.
I am holding in my mind an image of you on a beautiful sunlit beach - you are having the time of your life - you radiate an inner glow that far outshines any external slight imperfection.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
May 23 2007 at 2:32 AM melosh (Login melosh)
Hi waxingmoon
I`m almost done with the second month of using pc. The first month I got a light breakout, didn`t mind that but this month I got a huge breakout. It did nothing to my breasts but it gave me at least 20 new pimples on my back and 10 on my face. i`m thinking about quitting. I know it`s supposed to give an initial breakout as it clears the estrogen receptors but it seems like the breakouts are getting worse. Vitex slowly reduced the number of new breakouts down to maybe 1 pimle on my back and 1 on my face a week which is a major improvement for me but know I`m braking out like crazy. I just wanted to get your opinion before I quit cause you`ve been using it for a while and have more experience with it than I do. The brand I use has 500mg progestrone every ounce and I apply about half a teaspoon twice a day.Thanks waxingmoon...
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 23 2007, 3:26 AM
Hi Melosh,
Hey, I would try to stick it out for another month at least. As I understand it, one of the jobs of progesterone in our bodies is to activate estrogen receptors. When you first use progesterone, more estrogen receptors get turned on and are able to bind more estrogen. The net result is an initial worsening of estrogen dominance symptoms - acne being one of them. If you stop now, you will not balance your estrogen - you will in a sense have made yourself more estrogenic.
You need to continue to use the progesterone until you have achieved the balance you are looking for. Next month should be better and the month after that even better. This is not one of those things where you can just use it sporadically at first and expect to benefit.
My first 3 months of use gave me a lot of ED symptoms, but it also calmed some of my symptoms at the same time. I used it for a total of 8 months and this is the first month since September I have not used it. My rate of use was around 60-80 mg per day (days 12 - 28 of cycle) for the first 2 months and then I dropped to 40 mg and then finally to 20 mg. The reading I had done indicated that those with worse symptoms may do better using more at first. However, don't forget this hormone is not without risk. Long-term high mg use is not good and can actually bring on the very symptoms we are trying to reduce (the progesterone receptors become inactive if overloaded).
I also began using Vitex about 3 months into using PC. I think that is what allowed me to finally stop the PC. I was balanced enough my own body could finally take over.
The amount of mg in you PC is correct. Mine was also 500mg per ounce. Check all the ingredients. Mine had other herbs in it. Yours also might and that may be what you are reacting to.
You would do well to consult a book about PC. My favorite was by Dr John Lee: 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause' -don't let the title fool you - it is good reading no matter what your age. In it he outlines how to use PC to eliminate estrogen dominance and he also suggests other steps as well.
So to summarize (dear Lord I go on and on and on...lol) Yes, I think you should continue. Maybe even increase your dosage a little. If you do increase your dosage make sure you are putting it on thin skinned low body-fat areas. You do not want a high amount stored in body fat where it will not go into circulation.
Hope this has been some help - Let me know if you have any other questions (I'll try to limit the novel length of responses... lol)
waxingmoon
melosh
(Login melosh)
Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 24 2007, 10:34 PM
Hi waxingmoon
Thanks for your reply. Here is the problem;
I have mediterannean skin meaning my skin heals by darkening. Every new pimple I get turns into a dark blemish which takes anywhere from 4-6 months to completely go away. Every single pimple I get today will be with me as a dark blemish for 6 looooong months. Therefore I reaaallllyyyy don`t want to get new pimples. I still have the marks from pimples I got last year and I`m not kidding.
The reason I decided to use pc is for breast growth only. I had no pms but now thanks to pc I do now and a whole bunch of pimples that will be with me till the end of this year. Pc did nothing to my breasts, some aching but no growth. Also my legs started to itch just like they did in the 7th month of my pregnancy. (Doctor said it happens in many pregnancies and goes away with medication only I took it and it was gone within a week) I `m guessing that too much progestrone is what`s giving me this itch now but I don`t have the guts to go to my doctor and say I used pc for breast growth so I`m praying the itch will go away on it`s own. (I stopped using the cream today)
I get acne when I use estrogenic herbs and I get it when I use progestrone and I guess I should just forget about growing breasts and just go on with my life. PM is highly estrogenic and so is bovine ovary and I don`t have any other options and that leaves me at the dead end.
when I started with the pc I thought I was giving vitex a hand and speeding up the process of raising my progestrone levels but my body didn`t like the extra progestrone. I know things could get better if I continued to use it but I just don`t want to get anymore acne. And also I know you said pc gave you an inch of growth the first month and that`s what happens to women who are ment to grow with it. They usually grow in the first month. Some grow with continued use but as I said every new acne I get will stay with me for six months. I was thinking about taking a trip to europe to visit my parents and friends this summer but I changed my mine cause my face and back are full of acne and blemishes and I`m tired of people asking me what`s wrong with me, why am I still getting acne at the age of 35. I feel embarressed to wear sleevless or backless tops so no trip to europe for me this summer.
Thanks for taking time to answer my post, appreciate it. Lots of hugs and kisses to you.......
annie2
(Login annieboobs)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 25 2007, 2:13 AM
OMG!!!!!!!!!! melosh ,i have the same type of skin like u. every pimple i get leaves back a dark spots. You should see my face now. LOl not funny ,since i started NBE my face is a mess. And still i have no improvement in the boobs department i feel like quitting NBE.
Good luck to u.
Ann
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: to waxingmoon about pc
May 25 2007, 3:52 AM
Hey Melosh I feel your pain.
My skin is very light and each blemish shows up as a red mark for about... yeah, six months or in some cases 30 years (I'm 44).
My back and my chest are usually free. It all used to happen on my face but now mostly on my neck right near my chin and jaw line. As a result my face is blotchy and lightly pock-marked. My neck has red marks all under the chin.
I wear foundation every day on my face and neck for my work. I do this mostly for other people so they will be more comfortable around me and not fixate on my face.
If I don't wear makeup, sometime people comment. Mostly they just look and look away quickly. Kids can be the worst and have asked me what is wrong with my face. Those people who are the kindest always tell me how clear my skin looks (mind you it's when I am wearing a very opaque foundation - but God bless them anyway).
When I go to the beach I don't wear makeup, just sun-screen. When I go to the gym for myself I don't wear makeup, just sweat. I have learned to be oblivious to others in this regard.
I know this may not help you, but I wish you would go with your friends to the beach. Don't let others ruffle your feathers about a few minor skin problems. A good friend once told me that most people are so insecure about what they look like they don't have any extra brain space to notice what you are looking like. If you have fun and act nonchalant about your blemishes, most other people will pretend not to notice them. Those that don't aren't worth your time.
About the PC. Yeah, if you were not having estrogen dominance symptoms then I would not proceed with it. Especially since your initial reaction was so extreme.
Don't use it just for NBE. Your hormonal balance is too important to risk just for larger breasts. I agree, most who do grow with PC do so very quickly.
Since I have achieved hormonal balance I have not used the PC. I cannot add any strong phytoestrogens, but I do use low dose ones like Flax seed and fennel. I am also trying Fenugreek since I could not find it listed as a phytoestrogen, rather it is a steroidal saponin - which may give it another pathway of action. I am very slowly ramping up the dose and am still well below what many others are taking.
You might try the crushed flax seed or flaxseed oil. If your trouble is over-reaction to estrogen, this can help to block the estrogen receptors with this very low dose phytoestrogen. That should at least help with the acne.
I am holding in my mind an image of you on a beautiful sunlit beach - you are having the time of your life - you radiate an inner glow that far outshines any external slight imperfection.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon