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confused about types of progesterone cream
December 8 2007 at 2:13 PM northernmom (no login)
I am planning to add progesterone cream to my routine but am confused about the types of cream available. I found one type in my local health food store that has wild yam and diosgenin ; on the internet I came across Renaissace brand that is still natural but contains no wild yam. Which one is better, or does it matter? The website claims that diosgenin isnt strong enough, but "Helen"s postings recommends the wild yam version.
Any suggestions?
Sarah
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 3:51 AM
I too, had that question when I became aware that progesterone cream might be one of the things I need in my NBE program. I got some advice from waxingmoon who had used it in her program and got really nice growth. The important thing about the progesterone cream is that it needs to have natural USP ingredients. I don't know what USP stands for, but apparently it's a natural hormone, similar to what our body generates. The brand I was recommended to try was NOW. Another good thing about this brand is that it comes in pump bottle, so that you can easily dispense the same amount every time, each pump containing 20 mg. It's also rather cheap.
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=779&at=0
The above site has the best price and particularly good thing about them is that if you live outside of the US, their shipping rate is the best. I have spent a lot of time looking for the best value at different online health food shops, and found this one to be the best, because of the shipping charges. If you are in the US, then there is no issue. Many websites are comparable and most of them offer $4.99 flat shipping no matter how big your order is.
Hope this helps.
Sarah
northernmom
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 3:02 PM
Thank you Sara. I will check out the site. I think being close to 40 is throwing my hormones off balance even more than usual...
Durga
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 10:43 PM
Fun info fact:
USP stands for the United States Pharmacopeia, which is an independent science-based public non-profit health organization. They set standards for all prescription and over-the-counter medications, dietary supplements and other healthcare products that are manufactured in the U.S. These standards are also recognized and used in 130 other countries.
Also, I've been researching wild yam and the information out there is conflicting. It seems like the companies that are selling it specifically for use regarding progesterone promote it as such (obviously), however most scientific studies I've found have inconclusive to no evidence that it aids progesterone levels within the body.
Regards,
Durga
hopeful88
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 10:48 PM
I'm surprised to hear that most most scientific studies haven't any evidence that it aids progesterone levels within the body... This is really interesting to me, do keep us updated on your findings. Thanks Durga
Durga
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 14 2007, 6:58 AM
Hello again,
So, I've been searching like mad, sifting through as much info as I can about Wild Yam and natural progesterone cream. It is certainly confusing because there is a common connection between the two: and that is...diosgenin. Here's what I found from several resources (online) that supported each other in this:
Wild yam does not contain progesterone, nor can your body make progesterone from the hormone-like compound, diosgenin, in wild yam. In fact, diosgenin on it's own appears to have estrogenic properties in mice and lacks progesterone.
In the lab diosgenin-extracted from wild yam-is reacted with other substances to make a bio-identical progesterone. Although this version is "unnaturally" synthesized, it is identical to naturally ocurring progesterone and the body recognizes it as such. This is what they call "natural progesterone".
Cool, huh? If only my breasts (and hormones) could have been a source of motivation for interest in science back in high school! Ah well. Better late than never.
So, while diosgenin from wild yam can be converted to progesterone in the lab, it can NOT be in the human body. Unconverted diosgenin is a cheap way to produce a (probably ineffective) progesterone cream. So it seems, look only for USP progesterone! The two brands Northernmom listed both have it as an ingredient.
Durga
(Note of interest: there are other synthetic pharmaceutical progesterones-called progestins- that I understand are based on the diosgenin-extraction, however, it is only SIMILAR, not identical , to progesterone in the body. I believe some may even try to market these as "natural progesterone", but the product actually contains synthetics such as medroxyprogesterone acetate(MPA). Why don't pharmaceutical companies make just the bio-identical progesterone? It was suggested that it's all about patents and money. Apparently, you can't patent -and thus "own" and monopolize a profit- a substance that is bio-identical.)
This message has been edited by durga on Dec 14, 2007 8:29 AM
Durga
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 14 2007, 8:41 AM
It also sounds best to stick with the creams and not bother with pills. Apparently, when taken orally, 80-90% of the hormone is lost when it passes through the liver.
northernmom
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 15 2007, 1:18 PM
wow Durga! thank you for all the info. i've ordered the cream from iHerb which has natural progesterone and Sarah has used it so i felt better with that one.
i'm quite excited with the purchase. i'm moving away from taking too much herbs and added collegen to my routine as well. skin looks amazing and the boobies too. not huge but looks bette than it ever has, and i have two kids and am approaching forty. (kids both breast fed - 1 for two months; second one for five months)
i know i'll never have "big ones" but NBE really made a visible difference!
thank you again! happy holidays too...
December 8 2007 at 2:13 PM northernmom (no login)
I am planning to add progesterone cream to my routine but am confused about the types of cream available. I found one type in my local health food store that has wild yam and diosgenin ; on the internet I came across Renaissace brand that is still natural but contains no wild yam. Which one is better, or does it matter? The website claims that diosgenin isnt strong enough, but "Helen"s postings recommends the wild yam version.
Any suggestions?
Sarah
(no login)
Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 3:51 AM
I too, had that question when I became aware that progesterone cream might be one of the things I need in my NBE program. I got some advice from waxingmoon who had used it in her program and got really nice growth. The important thing about the progesterone cream is that it needs to have natural USP ingredients. I don't know what USP stands for, but apparently it's a natural hormone, similar to what our body generates. The brand I was recommended to try was NOW. Another good thing about this brand is that it comes in pump bottle, so that you can easily dispense the same amount every time, each pump containing 20 mg. It's also rather cheap.
http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=779&at=0
The above site has the best price and particularly good thing about them is that if you live outside of the US, their shipping rate is the best. I have spent a lot of time looking for the best value at different online health food shops, and found this one to be the best, because of the shipping charges. If you are in the US, then there is no issue. Many websites are comparable and most of them offer $4.99 flat shipping no matter how big your order is.
Hope this helps.
Sarah
northernmom
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 3:02 PM
Thank you Sara. I will check out the site. I think being close to 40 is throwing my hormones off balance even more than usual...
Durga
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 10:43 PM
Fun info fact:
USP stands for the United States Pharmacopeia, which is an independent science-based public non-profit health organization. They set standards for all prescription and over-the-counter medications, dietary supplements and other healthcare products that are manufactured in the U.S. These standards are also recognized and used in 130 other countries.
Also, I've been researching wild yam and the information out there is conflicting. It seems like the companies that are selling it specifically for use regarding progesterone promote it as such (obviously), however most scientific studies I've found have inconclusive to no evidence that it aids progesterone levels within the body.
Regards,
Durga
hopeful88
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 13 2007, 10:48 PM
I'm surprised to hear that most most scientific studies haven't any evidence that it aids progesterone levels within the body... This is really interesting to me, do keep us updated on your findings. Thanks Durga
Durga
(Login durga)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 14 2007, 6:58 AM
Hello again,
So, I've been searching like mad, sifting through as much info as I can about Wild Yam and natural progesterone cream. It is certainly confusing because there is a common connection between the two: and that is...diosgenin. Here's what I found from several resources (online) that supported each other in this:
Wild yam does not contain progesterone, nor can your body make progesterone from the hormone-like compound, diosgenin, in wild yam. In fact, diosgenin on it's own appears to have estrogenic properties in mice and lacks progesterone.
In the lab diosgenin-extracted from wild yam-is reacted with other substances to make a bio-identical progesterone. Although this version is "unnaturally" synthesized, it is identical to naturally ocurring progesterone and the body recognizes it as such. This is what they call "natural progesterone".
Cool, huh? If only my breasts (and hormones) could have been a source of motivation for interest in science back in high school! Ah well. Better late than never.
So, while diosgenin from wild yam can be converted to progesterone in the lab, it can NOT be in the human body. Unconverted diosgenin is a cheap way to produce a (probably ineffective) progesterone cream. So it seems, look only for USP progesterone! The two brands Northernmom listed both have it as an ingredient.
Durga
(Note of interest: there are other synthetic pharmaceutical progesterones-called progestins- that I understand are based on the diosgenin-extraction, however, it is only SIMILAR, not identical , to progesterone in the body. I believe some may even try to market these as "natural progesterone", but the product actually contains synthetics such as medroxyprogesterone acetate(MPA). Why don't pharmaceutical companies make just the bio-identical progesterone? It was suggested that it's all about patents and money. Apparently, you can't patent -and thus "own" and monopolize a profit- a substance that is bio-identical.)
This message has been edited by durga on Dec 14, 2007 8:29 AM
Durga
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Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 14 2007, 8:41 AM
It also sounds best to stick with the creams and not bother with pills. Apparently, when taken orally, 80-90% of the hormone is lost when it passes through the liver.
northernmom
(no login)
Re: confused about types of progesterone cream
December 15 2007, 1:18 PM
wow Durga! thank you for all the info. i've ordered the cream from iHerb which has natural progesterone and Sarah has used it so i felt better with that one.
i'm quite excited with the purchase. i'm moving away from taking too much herbs and added collegen to my routine as well. skin looks amazing and the boobies too. not huge but looks bette than it ever has, and i have two kids and am approaching forty. (kids both breast fed - 1 for two months; second one for five months)
i know i'll never have "big ones" but NBE really made a visible difference!
thank you again! happy holidays too...