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Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008 at 3:05 AM
chocochip (Login chocochip)
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Hi everyone, I first want to thank everyone who post all the wonderful information and personal trials, they're a real help.
I've been a long time lurker, reading back every single pagefor any questions but i really need your expertise now.
For my method of NBE, I decided to use the progesterone cream. I've been using the NOW brand that pumps 30mg. Okay, I understood that you are supposed to use starting day 12 with day one being the first day of your period. I first started using PC cream last month. This is how it's been:
February 6, 2008- first day of period so I counted this as day one.
February 16/17 2008- Applied my first dose of PC cream on the night of the 16th. This is my day 12 of my cycle.
February 25, 2008- Period started again, so I immediately stopped using PC cream that night. (Counted this as day One again)
March 7,2008- Day 12, so started up PC cream again.
March 13, 2008- period started again?!
Why is my cycle so messed up? I'm really worried and annoyed.
I thought the PC cream would be perfect for me, because i did take the online hormone imbalance survey/test and I had almost all of the estrogen dominant symptoms. In fact, I've suffered from severe depression before and am easily stressed out, both of which I am aware uses up your body's natural progesterone. But with using PC cream, I noticed that although I am physically still affected with bloating and all, I did get minimum amount of cramps/backpains than normal and a significant increase in mood (lack of PMS). I really am at loss of what I should do... I read that first time PC users might experience more estrogen dominant symptoms when they first start because of the sudden increase in progesterone, but I didn't read anywhere about your cycle getting weird. Oh, and I don't think there were any increase in the bustline either. Again, thanks for reading this.
chocochip
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 3:09 AM
Oh, and i also realized that although there weren't any significant change in scale, my body shape is changing, with my thighs become incredibly thick. Which makes me sad because my jeans won't fit me anymore!
This message has been edited by chocochip on Mar 30, 2008 12:01 AM
Hopeful88
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 4:35 AM
Well I've never used PC and I know our favorite expert waxingmoon will answer this as soon as she sees it but until then just thought I'd throw in a comment. I have read that it is not necessairly day 12 you should start. It really all depends on how long your normal cycles are. So for some people this would be day 15 even 17 and so forth kno what I mean? So perhaps you are starting too early and that is what is messing up your periods and ovulation.
Best wishes though dear, hope you get this all figured out soon.
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Mar 14, 2008 4:38 AM
waxingmoon
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 5:14 AM
Hi Chocochip,
I am sorry to hear you are having this problem as you began to use progesterone cream. I think Hopeful may be correct. The symptoms you are experiencing could be due to progesterone being used too soon before ovulation - and as a result stopped you from ovulating. This would explain the short cycles.
Since you started using progesterone cream to treat estrogen dominance symtoms have you felt an improvement in some of them? If you are feeling an overall positive effect (with this one exception of early cycles) then try starting your next round of progesterone on day 15 or later. It may take another cycle for this to work itself out. I know I experienced some increased estrogen based symptoms when I first began using the cream. I also started using the cream too early once and it stopped me from ovulating that cycle.
There are saliva tests you can purchase online. Dr John Lee's website sells them and so do other places. Just to be safe you might want to verify your hormone state before continuing with progesterone cream.
waxingmoon
chocochip
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 10:00 AM
if i start at day 15 then for how long should i apply the cream?
About the effects of PC cream, i definitely don't suffer from PMS symptoms anymore...even others have told me that I'm less irritable. Physically, i still feel bloated and my breasts swell couple of days before and during my cycle but i don't have any more back pains or migranes or anything like that. So i think the progesterone cream is definitely more helpful. As for growth, i'm actually not sure...it takes time though right? It's only been a month anyway.
btw, thanks for replying so quickly! i knew you are an expert on this subject (i've read several threads on other pages before with your extensive answers and your page before) so i was really hoping that you'd share some insight on my problem. So all i can do now is to start counting over...? Since today will be day 2 now, i'll just wait 13days later to day 15 and start applying again. But if i start at the 15th day, until what day should i continue? I thought you're supposed to have rest days as well. Also, how long did it take for your estrogen symptoms to go away? The 3rd month? 2nd? And when did the growth seem more apparent?
waxingmoon
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 2:18 PM
Hi Chocochip,
The reason I say start on day 15 is so that you have a chance to ovulate before you begin to use the PC. Some women get very clear signs of ovulation (lower pelvic pains and a change in the character of vaginal discharge) -hopefully these signs will be present when you begin your PC.
You should continue for 16 days or until your period starts. Now here is the tricky part. Dosage of your progesterone is supposed to be 20mg X 16 days = 320 mg per month (according to Dr Lee). Let's say you were only able to use the PC for 10 days (a really early period) -this would allow you to use 30mg per day and still come out about the same total dosage wise. Of course you don't know how long your cycle will be -but, if you are consistently having very short cycles you can use that as your basis. (by the way he did suggest higher dosages might be necessary the first 3 months to combat some very stubborn estrogen dominance cases -read his book if you really want to be an expert on how you can modify your progesterone dosage)
As I recall some of my symptoms went away with the first application (anxiety) and some resolved after about 3 to 4 months. My program page speaks of some of my adventure. I also began using Vitex about 2 months after beginning PC and I think that was very helpful in controlling the symptoms I was getting from day 1 -12 of my cycle (I was really climbing the walls during those days and made the mistake of starting my dosage too early)
My growth happened all at once within the first month of use. It was a great surprise to me. I had a little more growth my first year of use but it was much slower. I have read through my studies of progesterone about cases of other women who grew about a cup size. On Eve's forum I have never heard of anyone who got the response I did. It really is all about our body's individual differences that produces this wide range of reactions.
You might achieve growth and it might be slower than what happened to me. However as I have recently stated on another thread - Progesterone cream should not be used solely for the purposes of NBE.
waxingmoon
March 14 2008 at 3:05 AM
chocochip (Login chocochip)
SENIOR MEMBER
Hi everyone, I first want to thank everyone who post all the wonderful information and personal trials, they're a real help.
I've been a long time lurker, reading back every single pagefor any questions but i really need your expertise now.For my method of NBE, I decided to use the progesterone cream. I've been using the NOW brand that pumps 30mg. Okay, I understood that you are supposed to use starting day 12 with day one being the first day of your period. I first started using PC cream last month. This is how it's been:
February 6, 2008- first day of period so I counted this as day one.
February 16/17 2008- Applied my first dose of PC cream on the night of the 16th. This is my day 12 of my cycle.
February 25, 2008- Period started again, so I immediately stopped using PC cream that night. (Counted this as day One again)
March 7,2008- Day 12, so started up PC cream again.
March 13, 2008- period started again?!
Why is my cycle so messed up? I'm really worried and annoyed.
I thought the PC cream would be perfect for me, because i did take the online hormone imbalance survey/test and I had almost all of the estrogen dominant symptoms. In fact, I've suffered from severe depression before and am easily stressed out, both of which I am aware uses up your body's natural progesterone. But with using PC cream, I noticed that although I am physically still affected with bloating and all, I did get minimum amount of cramps/backpains than normal and a significant increase in mood (lack of PMS). I really am at loss of what I should do... I read that first time PC users might experience more estrogen dominant symptoms when they first start because of the sudden increase in progesterone, but I didn't read anywhere about your cycle getting weird. Oh, and I don't think there were any increase in the bustline either. Again, thanks for reading this.chocochip
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 3:09 AM
Oh, and i also realized that although there weren't any significant change in scale, my body shape is changing, with my thighs become incredibly thick. Which makes me sad because my jeans won't fit me anymore!
This message has been edited by chocochip on Mar 30, 2008 12:01 AM
Hopeful88
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 4:35 AM
Well I've never used PC and I know our favorite expert waxingmoon will answer this as soon as she sees it but until then just thought I'd throw in a comment. I have read that it is not necessairly day 12 you should start. It really all depends on how long your normal cycles are. So for some people this would be day 15 even 17 and so forth kno what I mean? So perhaps you are starting too early and that is what is messing up your periods and ovulation.
Best wishes though dear, hope you get this all figured out soon.
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Mar 14, 2008 4:38 AM
waxingmoon
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 5:14 AM
Hi Chocochip,
I am sorry to hear you are having this problem as you began to use progesterone cream. I think Hopeful may be correct. The symptoms you are experiencing could be due to progesterone being used too soon before ovulation - and as a result stopped you from ovulating. This would explain the short cycles.
Since you started using progesterone cream to treat estrogen dominance symtoms have you felt an improvement in some of them? If you are feeling an overall positive effect (with this one exception of early cycles) then try starting your next round of progesterone on day 15 or later. It may take another cycle for this to work itself out. I know I experienced some increased estrogen based symptoms when I first began using the cream. I also started using the cream too early once and it stopped me from ovulating that cycle.
There are saliva tests you can purchase online. Dr John Lee's website sells them and so do other places. Just to be safe you might want to verify your hormone state before continuing with progesterone cream.
waxingmoon
chocochip
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 10:00 AM
if i start at day 15 then for how long should i apply the cream?
About the effects of PC cream, i definitely don't suffer from PMS symptoms anymore...even others have told me that I'm less irritable. Physically, i still feel bloated and my breasts swell couple of days before and during my cycle but i don't have any more back pains or migranes or anything like that. So i think the progesterone cream is definitely more helpful. As for growth, i'm actually not sure...it takes time though right? It's only been a month anyway.
btw, thanks for replying so quickly! i knew you are an expert on this subject (i've read several threads on other pages before with your extensive answers and your page before) so i was really hoping that you'd share some insight on my problem.
So all i can do now is to start counting over...? Since today will be day 2 now, i'll just wait 13days later to day 15 and start applying again. But if i start at the 15th day, until what day should i continue? I thought you're supposed to have rest days as well. Also, how long did it take for your estrogen symptoms to go away? The 3rd month? 2nd? And when did the growth seem more apparent?waxingmoon
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Re: Worried Because of PC Cream
March 14 2008, 2:18 PM
Hi Chocochip,
The reason I say start on day 15 is so that you have a chance to ovulate before you begin to use the PC. Some women get very clear signs of ovulation (lower pelvic pains and a change in the character of vaginal discharge) -hopefully these signs will be present when you begin your PC.
You should continue for 16 days or until your period starts. Now here is the tricky part. Dosage of your progesterone is supposed to be 20mg X 16 days = 320 mg per month (according to Dr Lee). Let's say you were only able to use the PC for 10 days (a really early period) -this would allow you to use 30mg per day and still come out about the same total dosage wise. Of course you don't know how long your cycle will be -but, if you are consistently having very short cycles you can use that as your basis. (by the way he did suggest higher dosages might be necessary the first 3 months to combat some very stubborn estrogen dominance cases -read his book if you really want to be an expert on how you can modify your progesterone dosage)
As I recall some of my symptoms went away with the first application (anxiety) and some resolved after about 3 to 4 months. My program page speaks of some of my adventure. I also began using Vitex about 2 months after beginning PC and I think that was very helpful in controlling the symptoms I was getting from day 1 -12 of my cycle (I was really climbing the walls during those days and made the mistake of starting my dosage too early)
My growth happened all at once within the first month of use. It was a great surprise to me. I had a little more growth my first year of use but it was much slower. I have read through my studies of progesterone about cases of other women who grew about a cup size. On Eve's forum I have never heard of anyone who got the response I did. It really is all about our body's individual differences that produces this wide range of reactions.
You might achieve growth and it might be slower than what happened to me. However as I have recently stated on another thread - Progesterone cream should not be used solely for the purposes of NBE.
waxingmoon