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EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 20 2007 at 11:27 PM jellyboobs (Login jellyboobs)
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HI EVERY ONE !!! well Im having a few scary problems with taking st herb pm !!!! now dont all justt panic and drop it if your taking it but read this info carefully and think about yourself and your symptoms ok ?????? first I will be 50 years old in sept this year 2nd I have grown 3 cup sizes on various methods of nbe over the past year 3rd I am in menopause !!! ok so I took the first month of st herb 2 in morning and 2 at night !!! then went down to one instead and continued for the month as I understood that if you dont have a period you can do that. then I stopped 2 weeks and got a light period !! fantastic I thought. I waited 2 weeks and started again but this time its different (ive been using the soap the whole time even on the 2 week break which in my case maybe was wrong )now I started to feel strange sensationg behind my right knee and my right elbow and the pulse area side of my neck which was very obvious to me ! I wondered if it was a mental thing having read shells thread on the pm forum about blood clots !!! so I kept taking the subtle pain in my leg became undeniably more obvious. and its a feeling Ive never felt before so I have currently stopped taking the internal pm for now !!!! I dont know that its the pm thats done this !! or maybe the pm plus the soap thus ove5rload of pm but I do know that the power of the pm is very different to taking all those other herbs I was used to so I dont want to mess with my health !!!!! I do feel a bit scared as Ive still got those funny feelings !! I will ask for a blood test this week and let you know the result (hopefully its something else ) I didnt want to write aboyut this to give you a false alarm but I feel it my duty to alert my fellow nbe ers !!!! that why you havent heard from me for a while !!!! I am annoyed as my boobs are growing on the PM< !!!!! I am also stopping the soap temporarily to clear my system but dont think the soap is dangerous !!! any suggestions would be warmly welcomed from me love your friend jellyDeeee....
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 20 2007, 11:42 PM
i'm taking individual herbs and high doses of them. I've had similar pains, also behind my right knee and in my right arm. They were a pain and pulsing at the same time, then my arm tingled all the way down to my little finger, all down the ulna nerve. I'd read about blood clots and was wondering if i may be causing that, but cos of where it was in my arm, i thought it was more a nerve thing. It's not constant with me, happened maybe twice in the past 5 days
faerycat
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 20 2007, 11:48 PM
(((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS 4 JELLY)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
What a nasty scare. Try and stay calm Jelly. I bet it is hard, but you really must try.
I'd suggest to stop all NBE tout suite! Your health is far more important than growing bigger boobs.......and go see a doc, pronto!!
Have just been doing some rooting around and there is a LOT of info regarding thrombosis/phytoestrogens. I don't want to alarm you, and don't look if you don't want to, but there is some info here -
http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/81/954/266.pdf
Your symptoms may well be totally unrelated. Keep us posted hey!
Healthy healing wishes!!
Love
=^_^= x
Moon
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 12:17 AM
It does kind of sound like a blood cloth and they can cause damage to the tissue arround the place cause the tissue doesn't get oxygen and nurtitients, Jelly I'd say go see a doc.
lassysam
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 12:42 AM
Thank you Jelly for posting this. I will definately keep this in mind for myself AND
PLEASE do know that my prayers and good thoughts go out to you. I hope you have this checked out by a doctor and I also hope you get good news and it is nothing serious. Being well and feeling healthy are most important. You are a sweet dear lady and we all want the best for you.
{}------HUG------{}
Laura
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 10:31 AM
Hello Jelly,
Don't know much about St herbs PM but just want to wish you goos luck at the docotr's. please let us know your result.
I'm thinking of you.
Laura
x
Moon
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 1:30 PM
Hey, I think cayenne might work to prevent blood cloths, cause it's a vasodilatator and the most known hearb that han an allround beneficial effect on cardiovascular system.
gingerD
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 2:18 PM
Hey Jelly, gosh im sorry to here this, it is quite worrying.Lets hope it is just a false alarm but please do keep us posted
one thing you could do is take 1/2 an asprin a couple of times in the week, as they thin the blood
Iv been doing abit of reserch as to natural things that can help thin the blood etc and iv found this that could help u :
http://www.caringmedical.com/media/article.asp?article_id=445
Read the whole thing but heres a few clippings:
What foods should we all include in our diets to promote thin blood?
Fresh Produce:
Avocados, Cabbage, Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cauliflower, Onions, Garlic, Kelp, Kale
Fats and Fish:
Flax Seed Oil, Fish Oils, Walnut Oil
Cold Water Ocean Fish:
Salmon, Bluefish, Arctic char, Mackerel, Swordfish. These rate the highest in omega-3 fatty acids.
avoid these types of foods:
1. Packaged products with a label that lists "partially hydrogenated oil. This means read the labels of your crackers, breads, cookies, and other snack items.
2. Ice creams and frozen desserts
3. Mayonnaise
4. Deli foods, especially those with mayonnaise.
5. Margarine. Margarine is hydrogenated oil and also contains a number of chemical preservatives, dyes, and other artificial substances.
6. Vegetable oils such as corn oil, safflower oil, and "vegetable oil."
7. Fried foods. This includes those chicken strips, fried fish fillets, and French fries. It also includes fried vegetables like zucchini and cauliflower. Learn to enjoy foods fresh and raw, steamed, broiled, or baked.
8. FAST FOOD!
Big boobie hugs GD
jellyboobs
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 22 2007, 12:44 AM
dear girls !!!! thankyou so much for all your support and care and advice !~~~~!!! moon Im on that cayenne pepper !!!!! to all the other girls thankyou so much for yopur input I really appreciate it !! moon I was dreading your response to confirm that but I was really hoping youd answer something !!!!! so I truly thankyou ~~~~ Emmie !!! thankyou so much for the time you took to write up that info and I will look into that web page when I come back tonight. so lastnibht I blew it cause I ate a large macdonalds chips and a potato cake from the train station at about 12,00 after visiting my daughters first rented apartment !!!! and then she took me to karaoke (shes a fantastic singer !!!) I didnt feel very well but didnt have the heart to cancell as she was so excited that I was coming ! OK so todays the day Im going to the doctor love jelly....
deborah
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Too Jelly and her Health scare...PM related????
March 22 2007, 3:26 AM
Dear Jelly, I am so sorry to hear you are having these troubles. I think that this episode is a good example of what I have been trying to say about the PM use. Pueraria mirifica, and the Miroestrol are very potent compounds and need to be regarded much like a "medicinal" herb.
I have been getting many questions about PM use and the confusion about it is quite predominant. I think any time you have a gut level feeling that too much of a good thing has been had, then you best cool it for a bit.
This is exactly why I have been outspoken about the Pueraria UK Extreme 500mg capsules. I know everyone thought I was probably just trying to drive buisness my way, but that is not the case.
PM must be taken with caution and care. It will mess with your periods if taken in too high a dose or irregularly. The PM tablets are to be considered "different" than the topicals...creams, serums, spray, gel, soap etc. The concentration of miroestrol with the topicals is much more local than systemic.
I think if anyone has any kind of "pre-existing health problems" they should monitor themselves and probably use ORAL PM with a doctors oversight. For those without any major health issues, it is important to remember....bigger is not always better, and less is more, sometimes.
In my conversations with the scientist that imports the extract for the topicals (soap) I have learned that PM and the miroestrol and deoxymiroestrol are much more potent than ANY of the other breast enhancing herbals on the market. Therefore, prudence is warranted when using it. This is why I warn the women (and men) that are going to try it NOT to mix it with other phytoestrogenic herbs.
I would also recommend that if any of you have any fears at all about using it, try sticking with the topicals first. They are really very effective and do not have the systemic effects of taking an oral compound.
The "desired" effects can be quite marked with using just the topicals. The serums, creams, sprays, and especially the soap are really very safe. The only real complication I can think of, would be if someone were to develop an alergic skin reaction, which is possible with any substance.
Your experience, Jelly, could be what is called a "negative placebo" (from fear about Shell's experience. Or it could be something more serious...so do follow up with the doctor.
Be warned, all, that you may get conflicting information from EVEN doctors about this whole miroestrol business and do not be surprised if the doctor you ask doesn't know much about it. Unless they have been following the research that is going on in other countries, they will lump PM and miroestrol into a group with all "estrogens" and make FALSE assumptions. There is not only wide spread misinformation about PM, there is actually predjudice (sp?) because it is an estrogenic compound.
I have heard, even very knowledgeable doctors say that all estrogens are dangerous...including the plant derived ones. I have even heard a doctor say, on a reputable TV News show, that all phytoestrogens are carcinogenic (can cause cancer) and this is absolutely not the case with miroestrol. There is widespread ignorance about this compound. Especially in the western cultures.
Anything is dangerous in excess...even water. If you drink too much plain water you can hurt yourself. Thus my warning about the Pueraria Extreme product.
Ok this is plenty long enough now.
I hope you are alright and that the growth you have achieved will stay around!!
I do think the soap is perfectly safe however, and I am not just saying that for self promotion. That is one reason I think it such a great product...it is SAFE and it WORKS!!!
I hope this helps some of you making decisions.
Best,
Debs
Bindi
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 22 2007, 9:16 PM
I did not know about the 15 day on, 15 day off rule. Why is that? I have been taking PM for about a week, and my period is not due for another week and a half. Should I stop taking it and wait until my period starts to start up again? Does everyone do it this way?
Also, an update on my side effects-- I cut down on the amount I was taking and the side effects backed off. So obviously it was too much. Thanks for the feedback.
Bindi
lassysam
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 23 2007, 3:03 AM
Yes dear, I do think you should stop taking the PM now and wait for your period to start. I think the 15 day on and 15 day off is very important. Do read Deborah's posts also and the posts in the Pueraria Mirifica thread.
Happy booby growing!
Deborah
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PM 14 Days ON and 14 Days OFF - Definitely
March 23 2007, 6:50 AM
YES, This is the way to take the St Herb brand and other "powder herb" PM Products. Start the PM capsules on the FIRST day of your period...the day your flow starts. Take it for 14 days straight. Then STOP. !!! Wait 14 days and you should get your period during this time. If you don't that is not a huge concern. Your body is adjusting. After, the 14 days OFF - RESTART the PM capsules again. Even if your period has not come. Continue taking the PM for the next 14 days. Then stop again... repeat. Using a topical, serum, cream, gel, spray, soap etc is advisable while taking the caps.
Now, MIRIFEM is DIFFERENT. Take 1 100mg cap everyday. No Break. Mirifem is an "EXTRACT" as opposed to the powder like St Herb.
Again, do not use other phytoestrogenic herbs with the PM. IT will only weaken the effect of the PM. Other herbs that are not phytoestrogens can be used but really, keep it simple. That way if there is any negative reaction you will know what to attribute it to.
Keep it simple, more is not better. Take the PM responsibly and follow the directions. Taking more will NOT make you grow any bigger or better. I can not stress this enough. Taking the break is important for PRE-Menopausal women.
Menopausal or Post- menopausal? Take lower dose...1 or 2 caps daily - no break. I use 1 capsule only and have good results combining it with topicals...soap, serum.
Best as always.
Debs
Deborah
March 20 2007 at 11:27 PM jellyboobs (Login jellyboobs)
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HI EVERY ONE !!! well Im having a few scary problems with taking st herb pm !!!! now dont all justt panic and drop it if your taking it but read this info carefully and think about yourself and your symptoms ok ?????? first I will be 50 years old in sept this year 2nd I have grown 3 cup sizes on various methods of nbe over the past year 3rd I am in menopause !!! ok so I took the first month of st herb 2 in morning and 2 at night !!! then went down to one instead and continued for the month as I understood that if you dont have a period you can do that. then I stopped 2 weeks and got a light period !! fantastic I thought. I waited 2 weeks and started again but this time its different (ive been using the soap the whole time even on the 2 week break which in my case maybe was wrong )now I started to feel strange sensationg behind my right knee and my right elbow and the pulse area side of my neck which was very obvious to me ! I wondered if it was a mental thing having read shells thread on the pm forum about blood clots !!! so I kept taking the subtle pain in my leg became undeniably more obvious. and its a feeling Ive never felt before so I have currently stopped taking the internal pm for now !!!! I dont know that its the pm thats done this !! or maybe the pm plus the soap thus ove5rload of pm but I do know that the power of the pm is very different to taking all those other herbs I was used to so I dont want to mess with my health !!!!! I do feel a bit scared as Ive still got those funny feelings !! I will ask for a blood test this week and let you know the result (hopefully its something else ) I didnt want to write aboyut this to give you a false alarm but I feel it my duty to alert my fellow nbe ers !!!! that why you havent heard from me for a while !!!! I am annoyed as my boobs are growing on the PM< !!!!! I am also stopping the soap temporarily to clear my system but dont think the soap is dangerous !!! any suggestions would be warmly welcomed from me love your friend jellyDeeee....
Anonymous
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 20 2007, 11:42 PM
i'm taking individual herbs and high doses of them. I've had similar pains, also behind my right knee and in my right arm. They were a pain and pulsing at the same time, then my arm tingled all the way down to my little finger, all down the ulna nerve. I'd read about blood clots and was wondering if i may be causing that, but cos of where it was in my arm, i thought it was more a nerve thing. It's not constant with me, happened maybe twice in the past 5 days
faerycat
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 20 2007, 11:48 PM
(((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS 4 JELLY)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
What a nasty scare. Try and stay calm Jelly. I bet it is hard, but you really must try.
I'd suggest to stop all NBE tout suite! Your health is far more important than growing bigger boobs.......and go see a doc, pronto!!
Have just been doing some rooting around and there is a LOT of info regarding thrombosis/phytoestrogens. I don't want to alarm you, and don't look if you don't want to, but there is some info here -
http://pmj.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/81/954/266.pdf
Your symptoms may well be totally unrelated. Keep us posted hey!
Healthy healing wishes!!
Love
=^_^= x
Moon
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 12:17 AM
It does kind of sound like a blood cloth and they can cause damage to the tissue arround the place cause the tissue doesn't get oxygen and nurtitients, Jelly I'd say go see a doc.
lassysam
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 12:42 AM
Thank you Jelly for posting this. I will definately keep this in mind for myself AND
PLEASE do know that my prayers and good thoughts go out to you. I hope you have this checked out by a doctor and I also hope you get good news and it is nothing serious. Being well and feeling healthy are most important. You are a sweet dear lady and we all want the best for you.
{}------HUG------{}
Laura
(no login)
Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 10:31 AM
Hello Jelly,
Don't know much about St herbs PM but just want to wish you goos luck at the docotr's. please let us know your result.
I'm thinking of you.
Laura
x
Moon
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 1:30 PM
Hey, I think cayenne might work to prevent blood cloths, cause it's a vasodilatator and the most known hearb that han an allround beneficial effect on cardiovascular system.
gingerD
(Login gingerD)
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 21 2007, 2:18 PM
Hey Jelly, gosh im sorry to here this, it is quite worrying.Lets hope it is just a false alarm but please do keep us posted
one thing you could do is take 1/2 an asprin a couple of times in the week, as they thin the blood
Iv been doing abit of reserch as to natural things that can help thin the blood etc and iv found this that could help u :
http://www.caringmedical.com/media/article.asp?article_id=445
Read the whole thing but heres a few clippings:
What foods should we all include in our diets to promote thin blood?
Fresh Produce:
Avocados, Cabbage, Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cauliflower, Onions, Garlic, Kelp, Kale
Fats and Fish:
Flax Seed Oil, Fish Oils, Walnut Oil
Cold Water Ocean Fish:
Salmon, Bluefish, Arctic char, Mackerel, Swordfish. These rate the highest in omega-3 fatty acids.
avoid these types of foods:
1. Packaged products with a label that lists "partially hydrogenated oil. This means read the labels of your crackers, breads, cookies, and other snack items.
2. Ice creams and frozen desserts
3. Mayonnaise
4. Deli foods, especially those with mayonnaise.
5. Margarine. Margarine is hydrogenated oil and also contains a number of chemical preservatives, dyes, and other artificial substances.
6. Vegetable oils such as corn oil, safflower oil, and "vegetable oil."
7. Fried foods. This includes those chicken strips, fried fish fillets, and French fries. It also includes fried vegetables like zucchini and cauliflower. Learn to enjoy foods fresh and raw, steamed, broiled, or baked.
8. FAST FOOD!
Big boobie hugs GD
jellyboobs
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 22 2007, 12:44 AM
dear girls !!!! thankyou so much for all your support and care and advice !~~~~!!! moon Im on that cayenne pepper !!!!! to all the other girls thankyou so much for yopur input I really appreciate it !! moon I was dreading your response to confirm that but I was really hoping youd answer something !!!!! so I truly thankyou ~~~~ Emmie !!! thankyou so much for the time you took to write up that info and I will look into that web page when I come back tonight. so lastnibht I blew it cause I ate a large macdonalds chips and a potato cake from the train station at about 12,00 after visiting my daughters first rented apartment !!!! and then she took me to karaoke (shes a fantastic singer !!!) I didnt feel very well but didnt have the heart to cancell as she was so excited that I was coming ! OK so todays the day Im going to the doctor love jelly....
deborah
(Login forme2know)
Too Jelly and her Health scare...PM related????
March 22 2007, 3:26 AM
Dear Jelly, I am so sorry to hear you are having these troubles. I think that this episode is a good example of what I have been trying to say about the PM use. Pueraria mirifica, and the Miroestrol are very potent compounds and need to be regarded much like a "medicinal" herb.
I have been getting many questions about PM use and the confusion about it is quite predominant. I think any time you have a gut level feeling that too much of a good thing has been had, then you best cool it for a bit.
This is exactly why I have been outspoken about the Pueraria UK Extreme 500mg capsules. I know everyone thought I was probably just trying to drive buisness my way, but that is not the case.
PM must be taken with caution and care. It will mess with your periods if taken in too high a dose or irregularly. The PM tablets are to be considered "different" than the topicals...creams, serums, spray, gel, soap etc. The concentration of miroestrol with the topicals is much more local than systemic.
I think if anyone has any kind of "pre-existing health problems" they should monitor themselves and probably use ORAL PM with a doctors oversight. For those without any major health issues, it is important to remember....bigger is not always better, and less is more, sometimes.
In my conversations with the scientist that imports the extract for the topicals (soap) I have learned that PM and the miroestrol and deoxymiroestrol are much more potent than ANY of the other breast enhancing herbals on the market. Therefore, prudence is warranted when using it. This is why I warn the women (and men) that are going to try it NOT to mix it with other phytoestrogenic herbs.
I would also recommend that if any of you have any fears at all about using it, try sticking with the topicals first. They are really very effective and do not have the systemic effects of taking an oral compound.
The "desired" effects can be quite marked with using just the topicals. The serums, creams, sprays, and especially the soap are really very safe. The only real complication I can think of, would be if someone were to develop an alergic skin reaction, which is possible with any substance.
Your experience, Jelly, could be what is called a "negative placebo" (from fear about Shell's experience. Or it could be something more serious...so do follow up with the doctor.
Be warned, all, that you may get conflicting information from EVEN doctors about this whole miroestrol business and do not be surprised if the doctor you ask doesn't know much about it. Unless they have been following the research that is going on in other countries, they will lump PM and miroestrol into a group with all "estrogens" and make FALSE assumptions. There is not only wide spread misinformation about PM, there is actually predjudice (sp?) because it is an estrogenic compound.
I have heard, even very knowledgeable doctors say that all estrogens are dangerous...including the plant derived ones. I have even heard a doctor say, on a reputable TV News show, that all phytoestrogens are carcinogenic (can cause cancer) and this is absolutely not the case with miroestrol. There is widespread ignorance about this compound. Especially in the western cultures.
Anything is dangerous in excess...even water. If you drink too much plain water you can hurt yourself. Thus my warning about the Pueraria Extreme product.
Ok this is plenty long enough now.
I hope you are alright and that the growth you have achieved will stay around!!
I do think the soap is perfectly safe however, and I am not just saying that for self promotion. That is one reason I think it such a great product...it is SAFE and it WORKS!!!
I hope this helps some of you making decisions.
Best,
Debs
Bindi
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 22 2007, 9:16 PM
I did not know about the 15 day on, 15 day off rule. Why is that? I have been taking PM for about a week, and my period is not due for another week and a half. Should I stop taking it and wait until my period starts to start up again? Does everyone do it this way?
Also, an update on my side effects-- I cut down on the amount I was taking and the side effects backed off. So obviously it was too much. Thanks for the feedback.
Bindi
lassysam
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Re: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PM USERS !!!!!!!
March 23 2007, 3:03 AM
Yes dear, I do think you should stop taking the PM now and wait for your period to start. I think the 15 day on and 15 day off is very important. Do read Deborah's posts also and the posts in the Pueraria Mirifica thread.
Happy booby growing!
Deborah
(Login forme2know)
PM 14 Days ON and 14 Days OFF - Definitely
March 23 2007, 6:50 AM
YES, This is the way to take the St Herb brand and other "powder herb" PM Products. Start the PM capsules on the FIRST day of your period...the day your flow starts. Take it for 14 days straight. Then STOP. !!! Wait 14 days and you should get your period during this time. If you don't that is not a huge concern. Your body is adjusting. After, the 14 days OFF - RESTART the PM capsules again. Even if your period has not come. Continue taking the PM for the next 14 days. Then stop again... repeat. Using a topical, serum, cream, gel, spray, soap etc is advisable while taking the caps.
Now, MIRIFEM is DIFFERENT. Take 1 100mg cap everyday. No Break. Mirifem is an "EXTRACT" as opposed to the powder like St Herb.
Again, do not use other phytoestrogenic herbs with the PM. IT will only weaken the effect of the PM. Other herbs that are not phytoestrogens can be used but really, keep it simple. That way if there is any negative reaction you will know what to attribute it to.
Keep it simple, more is not better. Take the PM responsibly and follow the directions. Taking more will NOT make you grow any bigger or better. I can not stress this enough. Taking the break is important for PRE-Menopausal women.
Menopausal or Post- menopausal? Take lower dose...1 or 2 caps daily - no break. I use 1 capsule only and have good results combining it with topicals...soap, serum.
Best as always.
Debs
Deborah