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November 28 2006 at 1:21 PM cher (Login cherasia)
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Doctor Wong suggest to apply progestorone cream on the breast, what do you think?
Cos i heard alot says that it is not good to put the cream on fatty area.
Anonymous
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 28 2006, 4:48 PM
I wouldnt reccommend using it on your breasts, i've read alot of things about it actully reducing growth, But its fine to use elsewhere on the body. So if you were to use it put it on other areas such as your tummy, thighs, wrists and back of the neck.
mark
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 28 2006, 5:19 PM
hi, actually i read that it's not good to put it on any areas with higher amounts of fat because it could accumulate there, wrists, underarms and the back of the neck is where it is recommended, that's what it says on my progesterone cream, but i never use it because if forget to count the days when one should take it
cher
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 29 2006, 11:42 AM
thanks faith and mark for the reply
dandelion
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 30 2006, 2:05 PM
hi. on my wildyam cream jar it says to apply directly to breasts, however i think it depends on the amount and %of wildyam that you plan on using. Mine is 14%, however only 1/4 teaspoon is recommended. I find it hard to use that little for massage, so maybe it would be better for me to put the cream elsewhere so i do n't overdo it. I've heard great stories of women putting them on their breasts directly.................. i think if you put a bit of it on your breasts you should be fine
Ash
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 30 2006, 3:48 PM
Hi Dandelion
My wild yam cream is 7% and it also says 1/4 teaspoon. I put it on then use cocoa butter and e vit afterwards to really massage in. Do you use your cream every day or only for certain days of your cycle?
xx
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 1 2006, 1:39 PM
I just received reply from dr wong about progesterone cream.
Howdy Cherise:
The reason for that opinion is that absorption is delayed when the progesterone is applied to areas of subcutaneous fat. Other researchers though say that they prefer those sites for application as it creates a pool of progesterone available for a longer time to the body. I prefer application to the sexual organs for the physiological reason that there are more hormone receptor sites there than anywhere else on the bodies surface and absorption and utilization is there fore faster and more complete.
Be well and God bless,
Dr. Wong
tms81
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 2 2006, 5:01 PM
Remember girls that wild yam cream and progesterone cream is NOT the same. Read this page http://lammd.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/progesterone.cfm#Functions
Natural progesterone is obtained by extracting diosgenin from wild yams and then converting this component into natural progesterone in the laboratory. Natural progesterone is referred to as natural because it is the identical molecule to that which the human body manufactures. Such yam-derived natural progesterone should not be confused with "yam extracts" that are commonly sold in health food stores. Our body easily converts natural progesterone into the identical molecule made by the body. It cannot convert the "yam extracts" into progesterone. There is no evidence that such "wild yam extract" is converted into progesterone once it enters into the human body and unlike natural progesterone, no conclusive formal studies have ever been conducted that identifies any particular benefits from "wild yam extracts".
Natural progesterone can be administered orally, topically, sublingual or by injection. Oral administration is relatively ineffective as it is quickly metabolized in the liver. Injection is very effective, but can cause irritation to the injection site and it can be quite painful. To achieve physiological dose (and not the higher pharmacological dose), the best way is sublingual or topical. Progesterone is easily absorbed by the skin and is 5 to 7 times more effective in reaching the blood stream than oral forms of progesterone.
Excessive progesterone is normally caused by the excessive built up of progesterone in the body. This is more commonly seen in those who are self-administering topical progesterone cream in the wrong area. Progesterone cream should be applied to areas of the body that have good circulation but not high in fat. These areas include the wrist, back of the neck, and under part of the upper arm. Areas such as the abdomen, buttock and breast are high in fat and will retain progesterone faster than other parts of the body
Too much progesterone is actually counterproductive, as chronically high dose of progesterone over many months eventually causes progesterone receptors to turn off, reducing its effectiveness and may lead to toxic side effects, Some possible side effects include:
An anesthetic and intoxicating effect such as slight sleepiness. Excess progesterone down-regulates estrogen receptors, and the brain's response to estrogen is needed for serotonin production. Simply reduce the dose until the sleepiness goes away.
Some women report paradoxical estrogen dominance symptoms for the first week or two after starting progesterone. It is also common for those who have been deficient in progesterone for years, in the initial application of progesterone, to experience some water retention, headaches, and swollen breasts. These are symptoms of estrogen dominance, but paradoxically exhibited in the initial stages of progesterone application, as the estrogen receptors are being re-sensitized by the progesterone and "waking up". This usually goes away by itself and is not a sign of toxicity.
Edema (water retention). This is likely to be caused by excess conversion to deoxycortisone, a mineralcorticoid made in the adrenal glands that causes water retention.
Candida. Excess progesterone can inhibit anti-Candida white blood cells, which can lead to bloating and gas. Systemic candidiasis can be treated with a grain-free diet for 2 weeks, followed by 40 mg of progesterone ( using3% progesterone cream) a day applied vaginally and to the breast. More is applied gradually elsewhere to areas such as the neck, face, brow , and inner aspects of the arms. If side effects worsen, reduce progesterone dosage.
Lowered libido. Excess progesterone block the conversion of testosterone to DHT. This primarily happens to men.
Excessive progesterone can also lead to the increase in androgen production and ultimately increase in estrogen production within the adrenal hormonal synthesis pathway as the body shunts the excessive progesterone to these other hormones.
Taking phytoestrogen rich food, such as soy products, is another alternative way of reducing estrogen as these foods contain weak estrogens that competitively take up the estrogen receptor site, making estrogen less available for use. Foods that have estrogenic activities include: oats, peanuts, cashew nuts, wheat, apples and almonds. Interestingly, ginseng also has a weak estrogenic effect. Phytoestrogen also appear in a host of herbs, including black cohash, alfalfa, pomegranate and licorice. While widely promoted as the miracle food in recent years by the soy industry, it should be noted that soy products have their own set of problems. Unfermented soy products, such as tofu, contain acid that, in fact, rob the body of many valuable nutrients and should not be taken in large quantity. Fermented soy products, such as miso, do not have this problem and are the way to go.
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 3 2006, 2:37 PM
thanks tms81 for the great info
Anonymous
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Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 5 2006, 11:45 PM
hey ash! sorry for the late response
i used to use it everyday, but i realized a was using a LOT more than 1/4 teaspoon, so i decided to take a break. I will start today again, but i will apply it around my breasts - on the ribcage - where it's less fatty yet close to the receptors. I plan on using natural progersterone starting on my next cycle (in about 5 days).
I also used to follow up with cocoa butter and vitamin e, but now i've mixed it all in a boobie batter with borage oil / fennel / vitex
November 28 2006 at 1:21 PM cher (Login cherasia)
Read http://www.totalityofbeing.com/ArticleCollections.htm
Doctor Wong suggest to apply progestorone cream on the breast, what do you think?
Cos i heard alot says that it is not good to put the cream on fatty area.
Anonymous
(Login faith_full)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 28 2006, 4:48 PM
I wouldnt reccommend using it on your breasts, i've read alot of things about it actully reducing growth, But its fine to use elsewhere on the body. So if you were to use it put it on other areas such as your tummy, thighs, wrists and back of the neck.
mark
(Login sunnyMark)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 28 2006, 5:19 PM
hi, actually i read that it's not good to put it on any areas with higher amounts of fat because it could accumulate there, wrists, underarms and the back of the neck is where it is recommended, that's what it says on my progesterone cream, but i never use it because if forget to count the days when one should take it
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 29 2006, 11:42 AM
thanks faith and mark for the reply
dandelion
(Login dandelion1)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 30 2006, 2:05 PM
hi. on my wildyam cream jar it says to apply directly to breasts, however i think it depends on the amount and %of wildyam that you plan on using. Mine is 14%, however only 1/4 teaspoon is recommended. I find it hard to use that little for massage, so maybe it would be better for me to put the cream elsewhere so i do n't overdo it. I've heard great stories of women putting them on their breasts directly.................. i think if you put a bit of it on your breasts you should be fine
Ash
(no login)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
November 30 2006, 3:48 PM
Hi Dandelion
My wild yam cream is 7% and it also says 1/4 teaspoon. I put it on then use cocoa butter and e vit afterwards to really massage in. Do you use your cream every day or only for certain days of your cycle?
xx
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 1 2006, 1:39 PM
I just received reply from dr wong about progesterone cream.
Howdy Cherise:
The reason for that opinion is that absorption is delayed when the progesterone is applied to areas of subcutaneous fat. Other researchers though say that they prefer those sites for application as it creates a pool of progesterone available for a longer time to the body. I prefer application to the sexual organs for the physiological reason that there are more hormone receptor sites there than anywhere else on the bodies surface and absorption and utilization is there fore faster and more complete.
Be well and God bless,
Dr. Wong
tms81
(Login tms81)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 2 2006, 5:01 PM
Remember girls that wild yam cream and progesterone cream is NOT the same. Read this page http://lammd.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/progesterone.cfm#Functions
Natural progesterone is obtained by extracting diosgenin from wild yams and then converting this component into natural progesterone in the laboratory. Natural progesterone is referred to as natural because it is the identical molecule to that which the human body manufactures. Such yam-derived natural progesterone should not be confused with "yam extracts" that are commonly sold in health food stores. Our body easily converts natural progesterone into the identical molecule made by the body. It cannot convert the "yam extracts" into progesterone. There is no evidence that such "wild yam extract" is converted into progesterone once it enters into the human body and unlike natural progesterone, no conclusive formal studies have ever been conducted that identifies any particular benefits from "wild yam extracts".
Natural progesterone can be administered orally, topically, sublingual or by injection. Oral administration is relatively ineffective as it is quickly metabolized in the liver. Injection is very effective, but can cause irritation to the injection site and it can be quite painful. To achieve physiological dose (and not the higher pharmacological dose), the best way is sublingual or topical. Progesterone is easily absorbed by the skin and is 5 to 7 times more effective in reaching the blood stream than oral forms of progesterone.
Excessive progesterone is normally caused by the excessive built up of progesterone in the body. This is more commonly seen in those who are self-administering topical progesterone cream in the wrong area. Progesterone cream should be applied to areas of the body that have good circulation but not high in fat. These areas include the wrist, back of the neck, and under part of the upper arm. Areas such as the abdomen, buttock and breast are high in fat and will retain progesterone faster than other parts of the body
Too much progesterone is actually counterproductive, as chronically high dose of progesterone over many months eventually causes progesterone receptors to turn off, reducing its effectiveness and may lead to toxic side effects, Some possible side effects include:
An anesthetic and intoxicating effect such as slight sleepiness. Excess progesterone down-regulates estrogen receptors, and the brain's response to estrogen is needed for serotonin production. Simply reduce the dose until the sleepiness goes away.
Some women report paradoxical estrogen dominance symptoms for the first week or two after starting progesterone. It is also common for those who have been deficient in progesterone for years, in the initial application of progesterone, to experience some water retention, headaches, and swollen breasts. These are symptoms of estrogen dominance, but paradoxically exhibited in the initial stages of progesterone application, as the estrogen receptors are being re-sensitized by the progesterone and "waking up". This usually goes away by itself and is not a sign of toxicity.
Edema (water retention). This is likely to be caused by excess conversion to deoxycortisone, a mineralcorticoid made in the adrenal glands that causes water retention.
Candida. Excess progesterone can inhibit anti-Candida white blood cells, which can lead to bloating and gas. Systemic candidiasis can be treated with a grain-free diet for 2 weeks, followed by 40 mg of progesterone ( using3% progesterone cream) a day applied vaginally and to the breast. More is applied gradually elsewhere to areas such as the neck, face, brow , and inner aspects of the arms. If side effects worsen, reduce progesterone dosage.
Lowered libido. Excess progesterone block the conversion of testosterone to DHT. This primarily happens to men.
Excessive progesterone can also lead to the increase in androgen production and ultimately increase in estrogen production within the adrenal hormonal synthesis pathway as the body shunts the excessive progesterone to these other hormones.
Taking phytoestrogen rich food, such as soy products, is another alternative way of reducing estrogen as these foods contain weak estrogens that competitively take up the estrogen receptor site, making estrogen less available for use. Foods that have estrogenic activities include: oats, peanuts, cashew nuts, wheat, apples and almonds. Interestingly, ginseng also has a weak estrogenic effect. Phytoestrogen also appear in a host of herbs, including black cohash, alfalfa, pomegranate and licorice. While widely promoted as the miracle food in recent years by the soy industry, it should be noted that soy products have their own set of problems. Unfermented soy products, such as tofu, contain acid that, in fact, rob the body of many valuable nutrients and should not be taken in large quantity. Fermented soy products, such as miso, do not have this problem and are the way to go.
cher
(Login cherasia)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 3 2006, 2:37 PM
thanks tms81 for the great info
Anonymous
(Login dandelion1)
Re: progestorone cream on breast
December 5 2006, 11:45 PM
hey ash! sorry for the late response
i used to use it everyday, but i realized a was using a LOT more than 1/4 teaspoon, so i decided to take a break. I will start today again, but i will apply it around my breasts - on the ribcage - where it's less fatty yet close to the receptors. I plan on using natural progersterone starting on my next cycle (in about 5 days).
I also used to follow up with cocoa butter and vitamin e, but now i've mixed it all in a boobie batter with borage oil / fennel / vitex