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Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008 at 4:10 AM Abigail (Login Abigail3)
For those of you who've taken vitex and grown from it, did you lose all of your growth after stopping vitex? Is the growth permanent? Or does the growth only stay as long as you are taking vitex? I'm curious because it seems to be helping me and I don't want to lose the growth!!! :O I also want to take it as long as I can because it sure helps my super pms issues and skin.
Moon
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 12:22 PM
I haven't taken vitex, but I think if you take it for a long enoguh time you shouldn't loose growth. It depends on whether you achieved a permanent improvement in your hormone balance. Althoguh people also differ in how susceptible they are to lose growth. With other herbs I recomend stopping slowly, tho vitex is different from other herbs but I think it wouldn't hurt to stop slowly in this case either. When stoping measure yourself every day so that you notice any loss immediately.
Abigail
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Thanks Moon
August 16 2008, 6:24 PM
Thanks Moon. I will keep that in mind. I sure hope I will be able to keep things. Do you know if it's ok to take a tiny bit amount of prog cream during AF? I seem to be still feeling pretty estro dom. and pretty pmsy which tends to normally go away after the first day and today is day 2. I've already lost some fullness (uggg). I sure wish I knew how to keep it during follicular!
Thanks for your help.
Moon
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 7:46 PM
Sorry, what's AF? :I *blushes* If you mean you are having that transitional worsening of ED symptoms that happens temporarily with vitex, I think you could use PC, if I'm not mistaking Waxingmoon did that. She would be better to advise you in this department tho.
SoCal.grl
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 8:28 PM
AF = "Aunt Flow" = *that time* of the month, i.e. when a gal is on her period/menstruating
Moon
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 8:41 PM
Ooh right. I always thoguht that was a really weird expression lol.
Redqueen13
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 17 2008, 2:54 AM
I'm a little confused about Vitex. I've read in the information about herbs section that Vitex suppresses prolactin, which is important for breast growth.
So how do some people grow (or think they will grow) on it??
Abigail
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My guess would be....
August 17 2008, 4:14 AM
My guess would be that for the individual's that it works for may already have high prolactin levels so it's ok to suppress it without suppressing all and still get growth. Just a guess....
waxingmoon
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 17 2008, 5:11 AM
Hi Abigail,
In answer to whether you can use progesterone during your period... it is sort of a two edged sword. If you use too much before the 12th day of your cycle you run the risk of preventing ovulation - which will stop you from producing progesterone for yourself that cycle, making you more dependent on the progesterone cream.
How long have you been using progesterone cream? If it is less than 3 months then don't mess with your cycle by taking it anything other than when you are supposed to. I am not saying that after that it is such a good idea, but you are looking for hormone balance and your are more vulnerable during the first few months of use.
Are you using vitex and not using progesterone cream? I guess I am a little confused as to what you are doing, so my answer is not very helpful.
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Hi Redqueen,
You are correct that vitex lowers prolactin as it raises progesterone. You are also correct that prolactin is important for breast growth during puberty and pregnancy.
I guess it is just a matter of what is keeping a woman from achieving NBE. If it is low progesterone and the vitex fixes that, she could respond with breast growth in spite of the low prolactin. If it is high prolactin levels that keeps her from breast growth then vitex will bring it into normal ranges and she cold respond with breast growth.
Vitex did not seem to have any NBE effect on me. It did keep me from going more insane during those days 1 - 12 when I could not use progesterone cream. Overall though, the vitex alone was not enough to solve my estrogen dominance.
Some women report breast increases with vitex. Some women say their breast size reduces with it. Once again it is all a matter of who you are and what your body chemistry responds to...
waxingmoon
aunaturel9
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Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 19 2008, 6:19 AM
hi abigail,
here's my little situation with vitex. I had a (500mg,100 caps) bottle of Vitex since April 26 and took one cap/day until i ran out this month (august). I was growing so nicely for 3 months and my boobies never lost its inch of growth until i ran out of vitex! when i stopped taking the vitex i was back to my original starting size and lost everything! so i ramped up every other dosage of FG, SP, alfalfa, Borage, Flaxseed oil and the growth is starting to show again. I'm definitely getting back on vitex soon though, i had my best results while i was on it.
August 16 2008 at 4:10 AM Abigail (Login Abigail3)
For those of you who've taken vitex and grown from it, did you lose all of your growth after stopping vitex? Is the growth permanent? Or does the growth only stay as long as you are taking vitex? I'm curious because it seems to be helping me and I don't want to lose the growth!!! :O I also want to take it as long as I can because it sure helps my super pms issues and skin.
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 12:22 PM
I haven't taken vitex, but I think if you take it for a long enoguh time you shouldn't loose growth. It depends on whether you achieved a permanent improvement in your hormone balance. Althoguh people also differ in how susceptible they are to lose growth. With other herbs I recomend stopping slowly, tho vitex is different from other herbs but I think it wouldn't hurt to stop slowly in this case either. When stoping measure yourself every day so that you notice any loss immediately.
Abigail
(Login Abigail3)
Thanks Moon
August 16 2008, 6:24 PM
Thanks Moon. I will keep that in mind. I sure hope I will be able to keep things. Do you know if it's ok to take a tiny bit amount of prog cream during AF? I seem to be still feeling pretty estro dom. and pretty pmsy which tends to normally go away after the first day and today is day 2. I've already lost some fullness (uggg). I sure wish I knew how to keep it during follicular!
Thanks for your help.Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 7:46 PM
Sorry, what's AF? :I *blushes* If you mean you are having that transitional worsening of ED symptoms that happens temporarily with vitex, I think you could use PC, if I'm not mistaking Waxingmoon did that. She would be better to advise you in this department tho.
SoCal.grl
(Login SoCal.grl)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 8:28 PM
AF = "Aunt Flow" = *that time* of the month, i.e. when a gal is on her period/menstruating
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 16 2008, 8:41 PM
Ooh right. I always thoguht that was a really weird expression lol.
Redqueen13
(Login Redqueen13)
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 17 2008, 2:54 AM
I'm a little confused about Vitex. I've read in the information about herbs section that Vitex suppresses prolactin, which is important for breast growth.
So how do some people grow (or think they will grow) on it??
Abigail
(Login Abigail3)
My guess would be....
August 17 2008, 4:14 AM
My guess would be that for the individual's that it works for may already have high prolactin levels so it's ok to suppress it without suppressing all and still get growth. Just a guess....
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 17 2008, 5:11 AM
Hi Abigail,
In answer to whether you can use progesterone during your period... it is sort of a two edged sword. If you use too much before the 12th day of your cycle you run the risk of preventing ovulation - which will stop you from producing progesterone for yourself that cycle, making you more dependent on the progesterone cream.
How long have you been using progesterone cream? If it is less than 3 months then don't mess with your cycle by taking it anything other than when you are supposed to. I am not saying that after that it is such a good idea, but you are looking for hormone balance and your are more vulnerable during the first few months of use.
Are you using vitex and not using progesterone cream? I guess I am a little confused as to what you are doing, so my answer is not very helpful.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Redqueen,
You are correct that vitex lowers prolactin as it raises progesterone. You are also correct that prolactin is important for breast growth during puberty and pregnancy.
I guess it is just a matter of what is keeping a woman from achieving NBE. If it is low progesterone and the vitex fixes that, she could respond with breast growth in spite of the low prolactin. If it is high prolactin levels that keeps her from breast growth then vitex will bring it into normal ranges and she cold respond with breast growth.
Vitex did not seem to have any NBE effect on me. It did keep me from going more insane during those days 1 - 12 when I could not use progesterone cream. Overall though, the vitex alone was not enough to solve my estrogen dominance.
Some women report breast increases with vitex. Some women say their breast size reduces with it. Once again it is all a matter of who you are and what your body chemistry responds to...
waxingmoon
aunaturel9
(no login)
Re: Vitex users I have a question......
August 19 2008, 6:19 AM
hi abigail,
here's my little situation with vitex. I had a (500mg,100 caps) bottle of Vitex since April 26 and took one cap/day until i ran out this month (august). I was growing so nicely for 3 months and my boobies never lost its inch of growth until i ran out of vitex! when i stopped taking the vitex i was back to my original starting size and lost everything! so i ramped up every other dosage of FG, SP, alfalfa, Borage, Flaxseed oil and the growth is starting to show again. I'm definitely getting back on vitex soon though, i had my best results while i was on it.