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To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 26 2006 at 3:17 PM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Hello there ladies, any one tried natural Progesterone? how has it worked for you?
Fengshui, how has your progress been on progesterone?
Right now I am trying to gain a few pounds and keep to a massage routine. Everyone is different and in my case I really need to take in more calories so I can gain fat, I am too thin for NBE.
When the time is right I definitely will add Borage oil, Saw Palmetto and a prolactin stimulator.
I am a big supporter of progesterone cause I noticed in this menstrual cycle even though I am not doing anything really different in my life, except trying to eat more food, my breasts swelled a few days before my period came, suggesting that high levels of progesterone and estrogen will help me grow.
tammy
(Login tammyrita)
natural progesterone
July 26 2006, 4:48 PM
Hi wsdm, I just started using natural progesterone too and am totally convinced that it has been helpful in correcting my uneven breasts. The boobs also feel heavier and firmer. I only use it for 5-7 days in my cycle. I'm not sure if it would help anyone under the age of 35 but, I'm 37 and have been without a period since I was 29 and I believe the stuff is a godsend as my emotions are finally 'normal'. Are you currently using it - how has it affected you??
Good luck!!!
Tammy
tammy
(Login tammyrita)
oops
July 26 2006, 6:16 PM
Hi I guess i use the stuff more often like 9 to 10 days in my cycle. sorry.
Tammy
wsdm
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Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 26 2006, 8:46 PM
Hey Tammy! No I have not started using it yet, I have not really started a routine yet. I am just trying to get more calories in my body and keep to massaging my breasts while I conitnue to research NBE.
I am glad progesterone has worked for you, I think for some of us progesterone will be a very good thing. I am going to be 32 in september so hopefully it will work for me too.
When do you take progesterone?
I am trying to figure out which days to add progesterone during the month.
I am not sure if I should take a little everyday or cycle it.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
nothing so far
July 26 2006, 11:25 PM
hi, wsdm, i think i've been using progesterone cream for about 15 days, haven't noticed anything yet. i might even get less full on breasts, not sure but it feels like it, could be in my head.
anyways, my period were 2 days early and only lasted for 2 days, no spotting at all. very weird. however i will give it 3 months try. :-)
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
P.S.
July 27 2006, 1:12 AM
i forgot to mention i apply the progesteron cream on boobs everyday w/o stopping even on period. don't know if it's okay.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 11:52 AM
Fengshui I think it is best to cycle the Progesterone, however I am trying to figure out when and on what days would be best to take progesterone.
Also Progesterone is not for everyone, I will post a conversation I had with Fawn for you
wsdm:
I would like to understand why low progesterone levels is needed for succesful NBE, any facts, opinions, hypothesis, theory welcome.
Fawnmarie:
It blocks estrogen receptors and reduces prolactin.
akira:
Ok this is the one thing I don't understand. If progesterone blocks estrogen receptors and reduces prolactin, why is it used in some people's routines? I know BE isn't only about high estrogen levels so i'm gathering its more of a balance thing? Yeah sorry for the stupidity in advance if this is explained somewhere else. I'm sure Fawn has answered this question so many times it isn't funny.
Fawnmarie:
Because it also helps restore the glandular tissues. Older women and women who have had children "involute" - which means their glandular tissue tends to atrophy away (this is actually a good thing because its necessary to prevent breast cancer).
However as you get older, they involute completely, and if you're still menstruating you want the glandular tissue to be maintained to retain shape and firmness of the breasts.
Progesterone is generally just good for you, it helps reduce the cellulite caused by excess estrogen, improves mood and sleep and sex drive, and some women would prefer to take the slower route with the benefits of progesterone thrown in. The body uses progesterone to make estrogen, and older women may not be making enough progesterone to make estrogen and testosterone.
It really is a very individual thing.
What I am getting from this and other material I have read is that progesterone is necessary for glandular development at perhaps the expense of fat storage in the breasts therfore cycling progesterone would be the best route to take.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 12:30 PM
SugarQ has also given me ths link about hormone levels and breast growth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9098173&dopt=Abstract
The study showed:
In BCP (Birth Control Pills containing estradiol and progesterone) users,
"Breast size was strongly positively correlated with current oral contraceptive use during menstrual
cycle days 5-10
as well as days 18-23. "
Large breast sizes were significantly associated with high prolactin and luteinizing hormone levels and low follicle-stimulating hormone levels during cycle days 5-10.
During cycle days 18-23, larger breast sizes correlated with low endogenous progesterone levels.
For people who did not us BCP's
Breast size was significantly positively correlated with body mass index (weight (kg)/height (m)2), height, and weight in nonusers
In nonusers, during the follicular phase, breast size was significantly positively associated with insulin-like growth factor 1.
During the luteal phase, larger breast sizes were significantly associated with higher 17 beta-estradiol and progesterone levels and lower testosterone levels among nonusers.
the luteal phase runs on average 14 days it begins the day after ovulation about day 14 for most women and runs until the day before your period.
Jen
(Login js89)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 2:52 PM
Thank you for all the info wsdm. I too have had some of these questions. I have had about a 10-15 pound weight gain since starting NBE and wonder if progesterone would help. Any info is appreciated.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 8:41 PM
thank you so much wsdm!!
i will now use it on day14~28 and will let u know if it makes difference. :-)
July 26 2006 at 3:17 PM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Hello there ladies, any one tried natural Progesterone? how has it worked for you?
Fengshui, how has your progress been on progesterone?
Right now I am trying to gain a few pounds and keep to a massage routine. Everyone is different and in my case I really need to take in more calories so I can gain fat, I am too thin for NBE.
When the time is right I definitely will add Borage oil, Saw Palmetto and a prolactin stimulator.
I am a big supporter of progesterone cause I noticed in this menstrual cycle even though I am not doing anything really different in my life, except trying to eat more food, my breasts swelled a few days before my period came, suggesting that high levels of progesterone and estrogen will help me grow.
tammy
(Login tammyrita)
natural progesterone
July 26 2006, 4:48 PM
Hi wsdm, I just started using natural progesterone too and am totally convinced that it has been helpful in correcting my uneven breasts. The boobs also feel heavier and firmer. I only use it for 5-7 days in my cycle. I'm not sure if it would help anyone under the age of 35 but, I'm 37 and have been without a period since I was 29 and I believe the stuff is a godsend as my emotions are finally 'normal'. Are you currently using it - how has it affected you??
Good luck!!!
Tammy
tammy
(Login tammyrita)
oops
July 26 2006, 6:16 PM
Hi I guess i use the stuff more often like 9 to 10 days in my cycle. sorry.
Tammy
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 26 2006, 8:46 PM
Hey Tammy! No I have not started using it yet, I have not really started a routine yet. I am just trying to get more calories in my body and keep to massaging my breasts while I conitnue to research NBE.
I am glad progesterone has worked for you, I think for some of us progesterone will be a very good thing. I am going to be 32 in september so hopefully it will work for me too.
When do you take progesterone?
I am trying to figure out which days to add progesterone during the month.
I am not sure if I should take a little everyday or cycle it.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
nothing so far
July 26 2006, 11:25 PM
hi, wsdm, i think i've been using progesterone cream for about 15 days, haven't noticed anything yet. i might even get less full on breasts, not sure but it feels like it, could be in my head.
anyways, my period were 2 days early and only lasted for 2 days, no spotting at all. very weird. however i will give it 3 months try. :-)
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
P.S.
July 27 2006, 1:12 AM
i forgot to mention i apply the progesteron cream on boobs everyday w/o stopping even on period. don't know if it's okay.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 11:52 AM
Fengshui I think it is best to cycle the Progesterone, however I am trying to figure out when and on what days would be best to take progesterone.
Also Progesterone is not for everyone, I will post a conversation I had with Fawn for you
wsdm:
I would like to understand why low progesterone levels is needed for succesful NBE, any facts, opinions, hypothesis, theory welcome.
Fawnmarie:
It blocks estrogen receptors and reduces prolactin.
akira:
Ok this is the one thing I don't understand. If progesterone blocks estrogen receptors and reduces prolactin, why is it used in some people's routines? I know BE isn't only about high estrogen levels so i'm gathering its more of a balance thing? Yeah sorry for the stupidity in advance if this is explained somewhere else. I'm sure Fawn has answered this question so many times it isn't funny.
Fawnmarie:
Because it also helps restore the glandular tissues. Older women and women who have had children "involute" - which means their glandular tissue tends to atrophy away (this is actually a good thing because its necessary to prevent breast cancer).
However as you get older, they involute completely, and if you're still menstruating you want the glandular tissue to be maintained to retain shape and firmness of the breasts.
Progesterone is generally just good for you, it helps reduce the cellulite caused by excess estrogen, improves mood and sleep and sex drive, and some women would prefer to take the slower route with the benefits of progesterone thrown in. The body uses progesterone to make estrogen, and older women may not be making enough progesterone to make estrogen and testosterone.
It really is a very individual thing.
What I am getting from this and other material I have read is that progesterone is necessary for glandular development at perhaps the expense of fat storage in the breasts therfore cycling progesterone would be the best route to take.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 12:30 PM
SugarQ has also given me ths link about hormone levels and breast growth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9098173&dopt=Abstract
The study showed:
In BCP (Birth Control Pills containing estradiol and progesterone) users,
"Breast size was strongly positively correlated with current oral contraceptive use during menstrual
cycle days 5-10
as well as days 18-23. "
Large breast sizes were significantly associated with high prolactin and luteinizing hormone levels and low follicle-stimulating hormone levels during cycle days 5-10.
During cycle days 18-23, larger breast sizes correlated with low endogenous progesterone levels.
For people who did not us BCP's
Breast size was significantly positively correlated with body mass index (weight (kg)/height (m)2), height, and weight in nonusers
In nonusers, during the follicular phase, breast size was significantly positively associated with insulin-like growth factor 1.
During the luteal phase, larger breast sizes were significantly associated with higher 17 beta-estradiol and progesterone levels and lower testosterone levels among nonusers.
the luteal phase runs on average 14 days it begins the day after ovulation about day 14 for most women and runs until the day before your period.
Jen
(Login js89)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 2:52 PM
Thank you for all the info wsdm. I too have had some of these questions. I have had about a 10-15 pound weight gain since starting NBE and wonder if progesterone would help. Any info is appreciated.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To Fengshui and others that have tried natural progesterone
July 29 2006, 8:41 PM
thank you so much wsdm!!
i will now use it on day14~28 and will let u know if it makes difference. :-)