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VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008 at 12:50 AM Jackie (Login classyfashh)
So I read some of these threads and saw comments about people who have tooken Vitex Agnus Castus that the reason why it didn't work for them to gain boobs was because the pills made them lose all water retention [which had been in their boobs].
I was thinking if that would happen to me. Usually, when I wake up I always seem more slimmer but right away when I eat [ANYTHING] I get all bloated and gain a pound or 2. And then I stay like that for the rest of the day pretty much until I wake up after sleep. Is anyone else like this?
Does anyone think these symptoms would lead Vitex to make my boobs shrink even though I AM estrogen dominant? I hope they don't make me lose water retention that may be in my boobs since I am always bloated a lot.
Urrrrrgh :/
Miles
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 5:46 AM
Hi Jackie,
I have the EXACT same problem. I wake up, most of the time, looking normal, and then, even if I just drink water, I bloat up to varying degrees and stay that way all day. It seems to have started after I began the NBE herbs (fenugreek - seems to be the works, fennel, red clover and wild yam). I don't know if it is an estrogen dominance thing or a reaction to the herbs or a digestive thing. I know other people on this board have experienced the exact same problem, but can't be sure what the cause is. I was wondering the same thing about Vitex. If it can help the bloating, it might also help with breast growth as it might regulate people like us. It's really hard to tell though unless you just go ahead and try it. I've not started it (vitex) yet, but plan to in the near future.
Miles2GO
Snowflake
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 12:04 PM
Because NBE herbs disrupt the stomachs natural bacteria and enzyemes, you need to replace them daily either with eating yogurt, which probably isn't enough, or with over the counter digestive enzyemes. There are many brands which you would probably only find at a health food store. Every NBE program needs digestive enzyemes in the mix, to help stop some of the bloating herbs cause. I brought this to members attention about 10months ago, but i don't think it was taken seriously. Herbs destroy stomachs natural bacterias, therefore they have to be replaced.
Mika
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Herbs destroy stomach bacteria?
February 11 2008, 1:22 PM
I doubt that herbs can do much to destroy stomach bacteria directly. In the first place, our stomach is a very acidic environment that isn't conducive for bacteria growth at all, save for some special native bacteria (a.k.a. flora) that is good for our body. On the other hand, if u take alkaline stuffs, or stuffs that interrupt the HCL acid production in the stomach, u actually produce an environment that is more conducive for the bacterias to thrive in. If you take too much acididic stuffs that further decreases the pH of the acid contents, then at worst you start to have gastric erosions/ulcers.
Destroying stomach bacteria thus leading to bloating is a bit too way off the mark I think. Think the bloating works through a different mechanism.
Glamma
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 5:56 PM
Any idea what that mechanism would be mika.
Snowflake
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 6:54 PM
If normal anti-biotics a doctor would prescribe can upset the natural enzyemes in your stomach, or flora or whatever you want to call it, why don't you think herbs could do the same thing? But hey do what you like, it is already a proven fact on this board that when adding digestive enzyemes it helps to relieve the bloat and gas that herbs cause.
MIles
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 12 2008, 12:19 AM
Actually, I've been taking acidophilous, digestive enzymes and HCL for digestion for a few months. They do definitely appear to help with digestion and feeling really full and heavy after meals, which is good, but, unfortunately, the bloating remains. I really don't know what is causing it. I wonder if it is some other kind of reaction to the herbs or to the hormones the herbs are influencing.
Glamma
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 12 2008, 2:00 PM
I agree miles. I took Digestive enzymes for a few months and they help with the bloated feeling but nothing for the swelling. Two different things altogether.
Jackie
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 12:21 AM
ohhhkeeeee..
So no one knows if Vitex 'causes you to shrink your boobs if you bloat a lot? I mean I know there's a lot of people who are taking this on this forum..
hopeful88
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 1:11 AM
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Feb 13, 2008 1:25 AM
Durga
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 6:08 AM
I just read this regarding a reference to a specific herb, but I think the principles explained could pertain to any herb...
Bloating and gas is due to a bacterial breakdown of fibers in the herbs that are not digestable. It can take between one to three months for new bacteria to establish in the colon to do this job without creating gas. This occurence is a necessary change our bodies have to make in order to fully benefit from an herb.
This makes me think that maybe some dried herb fibers are harder to digest than others. I wonder if extracts would do the same, since they are more refined and primarily liquid. Anyway, maybe a clue...
Durga
Miles
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 9:35 PM
Hi Durga,
It does make sense. i just wonder why digestive enzymes and acidophilous don't seem to be helping as much as they should, at least for me.
Jackie,
I think that there is no way to know if Vitex will shrink your breasts even if you have bloating. It will likely take away the beast swelling that is due to water retention, but, that is not really growth. It seems that some people have grown in it, some have shrunk and some have had no effect. From this board anyway, I didn't notice any pattern to the type of people using it, i.e., all people with bloating have shrunk, or all estrogen dominant that grew, etc. So, I really can't say if it would work or not.
Jackie
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 10:56 PM
Oh Ohkay well thanks. I should be getting the pills today or tomorrow and I'll tell you guys how it goes after I can tell it took effect:]
LovelyAmanda
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 1 2008, 9:24 PM
Jackie,
I was taking Vitex for several months and it did not shrink my breasts. I agree with Miles, water retention is not real growth. It's just what it sounds like, bloating within the breasts. I also notice that at different times during my monthly cycle my breasts are fuller, but then shrink back again.
In response to some of the bloating issues--I find that drinking at least 8 glasses of water every day along with tea or some sort of natural digestive aid nearly wipes out any extra water retention. It is normal to gain a pound or two after eating and drinking, but the extra weight is what you just consumed, not fat. It takes the body awhile to digest food etc. Exercising also helps speed up this process and can also help with the bloat.
Best,
Amanda
Jackie
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 2 2008, 8:56 PM
Oh that makes sense!
How long did you take Vitex for and did you gain any permanent growth from it?
Sheep
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 2 2008, 9:19 PM
Seems like Miles was the one off the mark on most of the points already given. Most NBE users usually know it is wise to take probotics or as you girls have referred to as enzemes for various reasons.
Miles
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 5 2008, 3:48 AM
Actually probiotics and enzymes are two different things. Probiotics are things like acidophilous and enzymes can be made from fermented foods or can be non vegetarian and made from pancreas, etc. But, they do the same thing and help with digestion and do help for bloating for some, anyway.
LovelyAmanda
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Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 7 2008, 3:11 AM
Hi Jackie,
To answer your question, I did not receive any growth, but for 2 important reasons. Firstly, Vitex is a slow-acting herb and it can take weeks to have a full affect on the body. I was on Vitex for a little over 2 months or so and did not continue it so I doubt I gave it enough time. Secondly, I was on an intense diet and workout program and any growth that I might have gained was probably prevented.
But I do want to mention that I had a lot of "growing" pains on Vitex and some lasted for awhile. It wasn't the normal pains that happened around my period because they came all the time so I know the herb was doing something. I also received some other benefits such as more balanced, improved moods.
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 7 2008, 5:23 AM
Ohhhh. Well that's good to hear. So than maybe I have a chance.
February 11 2008 at 12:50 AM Jackie (Login classyfashh)
So I read some of these threads and saw comments about people who have tooken Vitex Agnus Castus that the reason why it didn't work for them to gain boobs was because the pills made them lose all water retention [which had been in their boobs].
I was thinking if that would happen to me. Usually, when I wake up I always seem more slimmer but right away when I eat [ANYTHING] I get all bloated and gain a pound or 2. And then I stay like that for the rest of the day pretty much until I wake up after sleep. Is anyone else like this?
Does anyone think these symptoms would lead Vitex to make my boobs shrink even though I AM estrogen dominant? I hope they don't make me lose water retention that may be in my boobs since I am always bloated a lot.
Urrrrrgh :/
Miles
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 5:46 AM
Hi Jackie,
I have the EXACT same problem. I wake up, most of the time, looking normal, and then, even if I just drink water, I bloat up to varying degrees and stay that way all day. It seems to have started after I began the NBE herbs (fenugreek - seems to be the works, fennel, red clover and wild yam). I don't know if it is an estrogen dominance thing or a reaction to the herbs or a digestive thing. I know other people on this board have experienced the exact same problem, but can't be sure what the cause is. I was wondering the same thing about Vitex. If it can help the bloating, it might also help with breast growth as it might regulate people like us. It's really hard to tell though unless you just go ahead and try it. I've not started it (vitex) yet, but plan to in the near future.
Miles2GO
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 12:04 PM
Because NBE herbs disrupt the stomachs natural bacteria and enzyemes, you need to replace them daily either with eating yogurt, which probably isn't enough, or with over the counter digestive enzyemes. There are many brands which you would probably only find at a health food store. Every NBE program needs digestive enzyemes in the mix, to help stop some of the bloating herbs cause. I brought this to members attention about 10months ago, but i don't think it was taken seriously. Herbs destroy stomachs natural bacterias, therefore they have to be replaced.
Mika
(no login)
Herbs destroy stomach bacteria?
February 11 2008, 1:22 PM
I doubt that herbs can do much to destroy stomach bacteria directly. In the first place, our stomach is a very acidic environment that isn't conducive for bacteria growth at all, save for some special native bacteria (a.k.a. flora) that is good for our body. On the other hand, if u take alkaline stuffs, or stuffs that interrupt the HCL acid production in the stomach, u actually produce an environment that is more conducive for the bacterias to thrive in. If you take too much acididic stuffs that further decreases the pH of the acid contents, then at worst you start to have gastric erosions/ulcers.
Destroying stomach bacteria thus leading to bloating is a bit too way off the mark I think. Think the bloating works through a different mechanism.
Glamma
(Login Glamma)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 5:56 PM
Any idea what that mechanism would be mika.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 11 2008, 6:54 PM
If normal anti-biotics a doctor would prescribe can upset the natural enzyemes in your stomach, or flora or whatever you want to call it, why don't you think herbs could do the same thing? But hey do what you like, it is already a proven fact on this board that when adding digestive enzyemes it helps to relieve the bloat and gas that herbs cause.
MIles
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 12 2008, 12:19 AM
Actually, I've been taking acidophilous, digestive enzymes and HCL for digestion for a few months. They do definitely appear to help with digestion and feeling really full and heavy after meals, which is good, but, unfortunately, the bloating remains. I really don't know what is causing it. I wonder if it is some other kind of reaction to the herbs or to the hormones the herbs are influencing.
Glamma
(Login Glamma)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 12 2008, 2:00 PM
I agree miles. I took Digestive enzymes for a few months and they help with the bloated feeling but nothing for the swelling. Two different things altogether.
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 12:21 AM
ohhhkeeeee..
So no one knows if Vitex 'causes you to shrink your boobs if you bloat a lot? I mean I know there's a lot of people who are taking this on this forum..
hopeful88
(Login Hopeful88)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 1:11 AM
This message has been edited by Hopeful88 on Feb 13, 2008 1:25 AM
Durga
(Login durga)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 6:08 AM
I just read this regarding a reference to a specific herb, but I think the principles explained could pertain to any herb...
Bloating and gas is due to a bacterial breakdown of fibers in the herbs that are not digestable. It can take between one to three months for new bacteria to establish in the colon to do this job without creating gas. This occurence is a necessary change our bodies have to make in order to fully benefit from an herb.
This makes me think that maybe some dried herb fibers are harder to digest than others. I wonder if extracts would do the same, since they are more refined and primarily liquid. Anyway, maybe a clue...
Durga
Miles
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 9:35 PM
Hi Durga,
It does make sense. i just wonder why digestive enzymes and acidophilous don't seem to be helping as much as they should, at least for me.
Jackie,
I think that there is no way to know if Vitex will shrink your breasts even if you have bloating. It will likely take away the beast swelling that is due to water retention, but, that is not really growth. It seems that some people have grown in it, some have shrunk and some have had no effect. From this board anyway, I didn't notice any pattern to the type of people using it, i.e., all people with bloating have shrunk, or all estrogen dominant that grew, etc. So, I really can't say if it would work or not.
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
February 13 2008, 10:56 PM
Oh Ohkay well thanks. I should be getting the pills today or tomorrow and I'll tell you guys how it goes after I can tell it took effect:]
LovelyAmanda
(Login LovelyAmanda)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 1 2008, 9:24 PM
Jackie,
I was taking Vitex for several months and it did not shrink my breasts. I agree with Miles, water retention is not real growth. It's just what it sounds like, bloating within the breasts. I also notice that at different times during my monthly cycle my breasts are fuller, but then shrink back again.
In response to some of the bloating issues--I find that drinking at least 8 glasses of water every day along with tea or some sort of natural digestive aid nearly wipes out any extra water retention. It is normal to gain a pound or two after eating and drinking, but the extra weight is what you just consumed, not fat. It takes the body awhile to digest food etc. Exercising also helps speed up this process and can also help with the bloat.
Best,
Amanda
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 2 2008, 8:56 PM
Oh that makes sense!
How long did you take Vitex for and did you gain any permanent growth from it?
Sheep
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 2 2008, 9:19 PM
Seems like Miles was the one off the mark on most of the points already given. Most NBE users usually know it is wise to take probotics or as you girls have referred to as enzemes for various reasons.
Miles
(no login)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 5 2008, 3:48 AM
Actually probiotics and enzymes are two different things. Probiotics are things like acidophilous and enzymes can be made from fermented foods or can be non vegetarian and made from pancreas, etc. But, they do the same thing and help with digestion and do help for bloating for some, anyway.
LovelyAmanda
(Login LovelyAmanda)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 7 2008, 3:11 AM
Hi Jackie,
To answer your question, I did not receive any growth, but for 2 important reasons. Firstly, Vitex is a slow-acting herb and it can take weeks to have a full affect on the body. I was on Vitex for a little over 2 months or so and did not continue it so I doubt I gave it enough time. Secondly, I was on an intense diet and workout program and any growth that I might have gained was probably prevented.
But I do want to mention that I had a lot of "growing" pains on Vitex and some lasted for awhile. It wasn't the normal pains that happened around my period because they came all the time so I know the herb was doing something. I also received some other benefits such as more balanced, improved moods.
Jackie
(Login classyfashh)
Re: VITEX AND BLOATING ? >_<
March 7 2008, 5:23 AM
Ohhhh. Well that's good to hear. So than maybe I have a chance.