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GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007 at 11:57 AM Sun_rise (Login Sun_rise)
Hi girls, (sorry this is a bit long, but this site is for discussion, ideas, and information! We are gunea pigs so we need to do our own research!)
I've been a member of this site for almost a year under a different username. I'm sure that this post won't directly cause trouble with Joseph, i'm not going to reveal his NBE method or anything. I'm just going to explain what I figured out and what it is or may be doing to our bodies. Feel free to support, comment on, or argue any of my points and hopefully this thread will fill up with only the facts.
Grow Yours says that the method "stimualtes the lobes to develop and grow, producing just enough milk to help the breasts grow large" (How our process works).
I have done two days of the programme. I was hoping that I would not have to do the nipple exercises, as I don't particularly want them to open up. But then I realised that the nipples HAVE to open up for the process to work.
While "stimulate" is the right word to use about what you do to the lobes, the other way to describe it, is squeezing the ****e out of them, forcing the small amount of liquid that is in them, out. So liquid HAS to be released. The brain then reacts by filling them up again, making the breast a little bigger. Then you release more liquid, and the same happens over and over. The liquid will eventually become milk (i don't know after how long).
So in squeezing the lobes, of course it is going to hurt. You are forcing the liquid out of them, each day, forcing the liquid to go out of them and through the duct that leads to the nipple. If you haven't had kids before, your nipples are sealed. So you have to work on opening them. The sooner you open them, the sooner you can get bigger breast using the GY method.
Ok, so your going to produce milk, even if you've never had kids. Does this bother you?
Imagine getting a boyfriend if a few months and he realises that you produce and release milk. He'll be asking if you have a child! Before he knows, he may be touching or squeezing your breasts, or kiss your nipples, or suck your nipples(for arousal purposes) and he gets a mouthful of breast milk, haha! Oh imagine the possible scenarios! Could be hilarious, could be embarassing.
Breasts leaking.... those of you who are mothers might be able to provide some facts on this. If it happened in public...
And finally the maintenance... well, your just going to have to release milk. REGULARLY. I don't know how much or how little, just that it has to be regularly. Mothers out there, could you let us know how often a mother has to breast feed else her breast will stop producing milk?
If you hadn't breast fed in a week did they stop? a month?
The answer to this will give you the answer to how regularly you have to release milk to keep your breast producing milk.
You have to keep doing this REGULARLY, FOR YEARS!
And if you stop. Well don't women usually say that there breast go even smaller than before, after they stop breast feeding?
We are already coming across side effects such as ACNE and MORNING SICKNESS. Your BRAIN THINKS YOU ARE PREGNANT!
QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING:
Do some research into how hormones change in pregnant women, how it effects your body, how it effects your mood.
Food cravings?
Post natal depression, is this a possibility?
Breat milk takes nutrients from your body, to nourish the newborn. Are you depriving your body of nutrients? If you are not gettingn enough calcium, it will be taken from your bones (causing osteoporosis - brittle bones, later in life)
GROW YOURS says that people may say you are glowing( i'm pretty sure i read that somewhere on d site). Ok thats a positive point, but is it because you've put on a bit of weight and your face is looking a little fuller or something? Or do you just generally look healthier? (Apart from the acne some of us are getting)
SOME QUOTES:
Jennifer: I too have nausea, with my first pregnancy it was bad with my second I had no morning sickness at all. This is somewhere in between, although I find it very ironic to have morning sickness 8 weeks after having a hysterectomy LOL !
cutevelvet: i didnt increase during pregnancy i remained an A cup throughout but after birth around day three i went up to a C. thats when the milk started to flow in.
Anonymous: it's a bit painful to touch so haven't been massaging agressively as i should.
Jennifer: I also noticed that I have morning sickness which is very odd as I have had a hysterectomy.
Spunkymum: phew relieved to hear of others suffering pregnancy symptoms......I was actually starting to stress & thinking of buying a test LOL. I told Joseph & he said he was surprised I would suffer morning sickness etc but clearly judging by other responses here I am not alone.......only bugger for me apart from nausea is my skin was bad in early pregnancy & what do you think my face looks like now....very frustrating ha ha.
Sara: I also felt nauseaus the other morning. i thought all my progress was from actually being pregnent!
Black sheep:I asked Joseph what to expect - he said that the greatest increase he heard of in 2 months is 1.5 inches.. and he doesn't have any further details after that time, since people stop logging the results after this time.
Alexia
(Login Alexia1981)
Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 12:38 PM
I don't believe you need to release milk as you describe it. As Lisa mentioned in the lactation thread the goal is to bring your breasts to the stage they were during pregnancy where they enlarged in preparation for lactating, but didn't necessarily lactate. I'm not planning to lactate at all. My mother grew during her pregnancy, and she didn't lactate (she didn't breast feed) and kept a whole cup size afterwards. Maybe I'm naive but I hope to keep a bit of permanent growth to without having to lactate
Kitty
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 12:50 PM
Some of your points I can understand, others I don't really agree with. I think Beth has been doing GYs the longest and she said she never had any leaking; and she's grown 2 inches. She also doesn't do the nipple exercises.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:03 PM
I have not started this program, but do regularly massage a few times a week just for breast health and not as deeply or intensely as this program requires. I guess my guestion is, after nursing 3 children, all pregnacies being different, how do you be intimate with someone when there is a chance of fluid leaking, or to put it another way, your body says to itself "oh the baby wants fed". As soon as any sucking sesation starts the breasts let milk DOWN so to speak. And if fluid is not being changed, new fluid coming in and old fluid leaving, as with brastfeeding, does the fluid carry too many toxins from our systems to be safe? It is a fact that women that have breastfed have a lower risk of breast cancer than those that have not, because the breast was emptied. Also it is very common to leak 6 weeks before dilvery, while others not till after birth. Do these questions make sence? I guess anyone that has been pregnant and nursed will understand what I mean.
Sun_rise
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maintenance
May 4 2007, 1:34 PM
Alexia
"After the lobes have developed there will be a maintenance program to minimise the exercises that maintain the increases you have achieved with minimal lactation" (how our process works video)
So according to GY, you will have to have "minimal lactation". You will have to lactate to maintain increases.
Perhaps Beth is discovering a new path where we can follow the program and not lactate. This will be great if it works for more people! Only time will tell.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:36 PM
For questions in top post, for breast feeding a baby, IF THE MOTHER HAS NO TROUBLE NURSING< the breast will make what ever the baby is taking, meaning if baby is taking 3 ounces from each breast at a feeding of 4 hours apart, the breasts will make 3 ounces each for the neaxt feeding. When trying to wean baby, you would start by stopping a feeding , do that for a week and then stop another feeding. Until your down to one feeding aday and then gradually stop that. The idea behind this is so there is not milk left in the breast to cause infection and to leave milk glands clean. The body does not make anymore milk when you decrease feedings. it is called drying up and is the process used to stop milk production. Anyone nursing and giving about 8 feeding a day and then just stops cold turkey can expect problems. Infections, soreness, fever.
Alexia
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:42 PM
Feeling less enthousiastic already...
Henri
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:59 PM
Not stepping on toes just would like to make a comment. I stopped nursing my youngest "cold turkey" from about 6feedings a day. He got very sick and hospitalized and he had to be nourished through an IV as everything else came right back up, this lasted for almost a week and a half. I did not experience any of the symptoms of an infection, and I do know what they are as I have had numerous ones while nursing, so I just wanted to say that those symptoms are not "Always", but "Possibilities" depending on your body - as with everything else here.
I understand what you are saying about the lactation part while being...intimate....because its a concern I have. If I ever get to the point that I am producing even the slightest bit of fluid, clear or otherwise as your colosterum (sp) comes in first, then I will be stopping the program.
Personally, my overall goal is to use this as a massage only - I still don't make 30mins, which might be part of my problem, but in addition continue up with the herbs, especially since I seem to have hit a small road block, which could be numerous things.
Sunrise - I think you have very valid points, and have addressed concerns that we have all mentioned and even thought, maybe just not at one time. However I would like to say that these are all chances we take with the whole NBE process. Many people have had adverse reactions to BO, PM, Herbs, but that hasn't stopped anyone from still using them. Everyone should read through the forum, because alot of this is covered, especially in some of the earlier posts, and then as is always suggested to newcomers, decided for yourself what you are willing and not willing to do.
I too have concerns, and will be watcing out for them, and if any appear then I am done with intensity of the program, and will just use it as my 5-10 min daily massage and if the concerns still are present then I will be stopping altogether.
Another thought - Have you asked Joseph these questions and gotten his feedback - whatever it may be? Or see if he answered them over on the BeBoard: maybe his original post and then the most recent, because I know he answered some questions over there.
Alexia
(Login Alexia1981)
Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:02 PM
Hi Sun-rise and Snowflake (or anyone else),
What about Tiger Lily's method? She also grow by massaging vigourously (together with eating boobiefood) and she also targeted the "lumps" as she described them as growth blokades. She didn't lactate and grew very well. Don't mean to argue, I'm just very interested in your opinions (I desperately want boobs and I' doing grow yours but don't want to lactate!)
Thanks!
Jennifer
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:02 PM
OK this may sound odd my I've talked to my husband about this and he says there are plenty of men that actually find lactation a turn on. So it may not be a big of a worry as you think Yes I think its odd but what the hay, he's happy with thier size already and I never in over 8 years stopped producing colostrum after my pregnancy so this won't be much different for me.
I think I also read some where on the site that there is an option of continuing the program after 90 days with more aggressive massages to full on lactate, in the cases of addoptive mothers who want to breastfeed or "women who want to lactate for sexual pleasure(something like that anyway can't remember the actual words) soooo I don't think by doing the maintenace you will actually lactate or have any leaking...you really really have to have breasts that are VERY full for them to just leak on thier own.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:09 PM
These are just questions I personally have. I did have trouble after stopped nursing first one. Ended up surgically removing the milk gland. It was fine, nothing to worry about, but could have had potenial for serious problem later on in life. And everyone is different. I do know that when nursing, you are never allow your breast area to become cold, like from a winter wind, must keep area warm or you can become very, very sore and swollen, again this is from experience, having had cold in breast when nursing. These are just my worries with this program, but I guess we must remember our hormone levels could never be what they would be after being pregnant. It would just be impossible, so maybe that has something to do with the success fo this program.
katherine
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GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:09 PM
Jennifer, So true! When I told my hubby what I was doing and the lactation possiblity (we have 3 children) His response? YAYYYY!!!!(while smacking his lips!) I, however, plan on trying to avoid this! Bit of moisture during message: Fine and dandy. Full on lactation: would cut back considerably to cut that out!
katherine
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:13 PM
I don't know about the fullness and leaking theory, I do know as soon as my baby started crying I would leak. And that was with every child until they were about 6 weeks old. So everyone is different.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:29 PM
My questions only come from my own experiences I had when I did nurse. Seriously thinking about doing this program later on when I would have more time and also wanting to know how other women get along with this after a month or so. So really just very curious and would like to hear others reactions. Trying to figure out if this would be good for me, of course the big boob part would be great wouldn't it? And like I said before hormone levels couldn't possibly be the same as going through pregnancy and feel that has alot to do with it too.
Sun_rise
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gentle massage
May 4 2007, 2:37 PM
http://www.natural-breast-guide.com/articles/breast-massage-enhancement.html
This is an article about Breast Massage for Breast Enhancement.
I think quite alot of us have already been using massage. But has anyone massaged regularly before GY, twice a day, every day? and achieved growth?
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:43 PM
I've pretty much massaged everyday, twice daily (if not more), for over the last year and only gained fullness, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch. I've gained more in the last week and a half (over an inch)doing GY than I ever did in the past year. Also, I gained weight with herbs. I will not go that route again.
veedubchick
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GY-How it Works
May 4 2007, 3:50 PM
I just wanted to say that I started yesterday and 5 minutes after the massage my breast felt just like they did when I was nursing. Tingling sensation that you get right before the MER (Milk Ejection Reflex) or "let down", but w/o the actual let down. Now mind you I just had my 3rd and last child 10 months ago and nursed for 3 weeks. I had to stop nursing due to high blood pressure and the meds I had to take.So I was way bummed by having to stop, after all I nursed my 2nd until she was 2 and the very next week I got pregnant with #3. Anyway, I may be the only one here that doesn't mind re-lactacting, I may even at some point pump again. My opinion, if you are uncomfortable about the "lactaction" part of the process then don't do it, if you are ok with the "possibilities" then knock yourself out. There has to be a level of comfort somewhere. This process is supposed to relieve some of the worries of NBE, pill taking, routines, etc., it shouldn't be stressing you ladies out. And we all know stress is the worse thing you can do to yourself for many reasons other then NBE. Please don't misjudge me, I am not trying to be nasty or offend anyone, just adding my 2 cents.
Moon
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 3:56 PM
I will only say, interesting topic. It's good that we who are doing GY discuss all the potential positives and negatives of our NBE method. I would stop doing the regular agressive GY if I started lactating, wouldn't mind a few drops tho. But from what I know, the first stage of 'lactation' is only preparation, when lobes increse in size, but don't produce much or any liquid yet, which is the stage we are trying to reach.
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 4:24 PM
Ditto Moon. That's how I feel too.
Beth
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:06 PM
I just wanted to respond on the part about having to release milk and do the nipple massages. I have not done the nipple massages at ALL and I have been on the program for 1 month. I have gained 2.5". (Warning, possibly TMI lol) My hubby and I have a very active sex life, and I have never leaked then either. I do have pregnancy symptoms, but not acne. Actually, my skin looks better now than it has in years! I understand that we have to do this every few days for the rest of our lives. The program tells you this before you start, so that is not a suprise to me. I decided before I started the program that I am okay with that. Just wanted to add my opion.
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:11 PM
Thank you Beth. That is all good to know. I am not doing the nipple massages at all either and am gaining size.
Beth
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:16 PM
Ladies,
You know what else I have noticed? I seem to only get "preggo" symptoms (fatigue, nausea, etc) when I have missed a massage. If I do them twice a day, I feel great. Pretty weird, huh?
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:32 PM
Hey thanks Beth, this is good to know. Please keep in touch as your progress.
Corrie
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 8:20 PM
Ok...great thread, but here's a really important question:
Has ANYONE here lactated yet at all on the GY program?
White Sheep
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 5 2007, 10:47 AM
h that sounds sore and i have pierced nipples i dont think i could do that
Miss Monet
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 8 2007, 3:32 AM
Wow, Beth! 2.5"?? That's GREAT!
Question: Have you ever been pregnant/nursed before? I know they say that previously pregnant girls have the best results... but if you're kid-free I'll be totally amazed!
P H
(Login Babyboob)
Beth: I would like your advice.
May 8 2007, 7:59 AM
Hi, Beth
Learned that you have great results, congratulations! I posted another message here on this board and got a reply from Moon (thanks to that, Moon) but since you have so great results, I would like your advice as well.
I started the program one week ago but it seems no significant increase. I wonder if I do it correctly. I am at my forties and have one kid but never breastfed. I massage twice a day, each around 40 minutes but I skipped the nipple exercises, as I don't want any lactation. My fingers & my arms are already so sore after massaging for a while, so I have to use alternate hands to do it. I only do the massage without taking any herbs at this stage 'cos I am scared of any unknown or undiscovered side effects but I started the chicken feet soup two days ago. Do you think I will see any increase soon. I know everyone is different but when I learn that you have so great results so soon, I just couldn't resist the temptation to try it. Please give me some advice. Thanks.
PH
Abigail3
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I have a question
May 9 2007, 7:43 AM
I have a question to all of those who have been on the grow yours program. My question is have you grown to the size you were when u were engorged (after your milk came in) after having your baby? I remember blowing up after each of my children and looking in the mirror with my eyes bulging out at my "new chest". Is it anything like that? Or is it just a little added fullness? I was a B before having kids and then when my milk came in I must have been a D... Is this possible with grow yours? Also, I'm a little leary about starting it because breastfeeding is what got me in this whole BE process to begin with (saggy, flat, no tops, smaller than my prepregnancy size)........and then to try and fill them back up with milk again.....hmmmmmmm.
Anonymous
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To Corrie
May 9 2007, 7:57 AM
To answer your question Corrie, I think Veedubchick started lactating and quit the program.
Lisa
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 14 2007, 10:11 PM
No time to log in, but just wanted to say that some ladies are completely confused about the "things" that take place when you are actually FULLY lactating and the things that take place when you're on GY. They are two totally different scenarios. Stop being afraid of leaking and things like that, I don't believe any of us have experienced anything like that at all. And if so, it's not happening for 99% of us.
May 4 2007 at 11:57 AM Sun_rise (Login Sun_rise)
Hi girls, (sorry this is a bit long, but this site is for discussion, ideas, and information! We are gunea pigs so we need to do our own research!)
I've been a member of this site for almost a year under a different username. I'm sure that this post won't directly cause trouble with Joseph, i'm not going to reveal his NBE method or anything. I'm just going to explain what I figured out and what it is or may be doing to our bodies. Feel free to support, comment on, or argue any of my points and hopefully this thread will fill up with only the facts.
Grow Yours says that the method "stimualtes the lobes to develop and grow, producing just enough milk to help the breasts grow large" (How our process works).
I have done two days of the programme. I was hoping that I would not have to do the nipple exercises, as I don't particularly want them to open up. But then I realised that the nipples HAVE to open up for the process to work.
While "stimulate" is the right word to use about what you do to the lobes, the other way to describe it, is squeezing the ****e out of them, forcing the small amount of liquid that is in them, out. So liquid HAS to be released. The brain then reacts by filling them up again, making the breast a little bigger. Then you release more liquid, and the same happens over and over. The liquid will eventually become milk (i don't know after how long).
So in squeezing the lobes, of course it is going to hurt. You are forcing the liquid out of them, each day, forcing the liquid to go out of them and through the duct that leads to the nipple. If you haven't had kids before, your nipples are sealed. So you have to work on opening them. The sooner you open them, the sooner you can get bigger breast using the GY method.
Ok, so your going to produce milk, even if you've never had kids. Does this bother you?
Imagine getting a boyfriend if a few months and he realises that you produce and release milk. He'll be asking if you have a child! Before he knows, he may be touching or squeezing your breasts, or kiss your nipples, or suck your nipples(for arousal purposes) and he gets a mouthful of breast milk, haha! Oh imagine the possible scenarios! Could be hilarious, could be embarassing.
Breasts leaking.... those of you who are mothers might be able to provide some facts on this. If it happened in public...
And finally the maintenance... well, your just going to have to release milk. REGULARLY. I don't know how much or how little, just that it has to be regularly. Mothers out there, could you let us know how often a mother has to breast feed else her breast will stop producing milk?
If you hadn't breast fed in a week did they stop? a month?
The answer to this will give you the answer to how regularly you have to release milk to keep your breast producing milk.
You have to keep doing this REGULARLY, FOR YEARS!
And if you stop. Well don't women usually say that there breast go even smaller than before, after they stop breast feeding?
We are already coming across side effects such as ACNE and MORNING SICKNESS. Your BRAIN THINKS YOU ARE PREGNANT!
QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING:
Do some research into how hormones change in pregnant women, how it effects your body, how it effects your mood.
Food cravings?
Post natal depression, is this a possibility?
Breat milk takes nutrients from your body, to nourish the newborn. Are you depriving your body of nutrients? If you are not gettingn enough calcium, it will be taken from your bones (causing osteoporosis - brittle bones, later in life)
GROW YOURS says that people may say you are glowing( i'm pretty sure i read that somewhere on d site). Ok thats a positive point, but is it because you've put on a bit of weight and your face is looking a little fuller or something? Or do you just generally look healthier? (Apart from the acne some of us are getting)
SOME QUOTES:
Jennifer: I too have nausea, with my first pregnancy it was bad with my second I had no morning sickness at all. This is somewhere in between, although I find it very ironic to have morning sickness 8 weeks after having a hysterectomy LOL !
cutevelvet: i didnt increase during pregnancy i remained an A cup throughout but after birth around day three i went up to a C. thats when the milk started to flow in.
Anonymous: it's a bit painful to touch so haven't been massaging agressively as i should.
Jennifer: I also noticed that I have morning sickness which is very odd as I have had a hysterectomy.
Spunkymum: phew relieved to hear of others suffering pregnancy symptoms......I was actually starting to stress & thinking of buying a test LOL. I told Joseph & he said he was surprised I would suffer morning sickness etc but clearly judging by other responses here I am not alone.......only bugger for me apart from nausea is my skin was bad in early pregnancy & what do you think my face looks like now....very frustrating ha ha.
Sara: I also felt nauseaus the other morning. i thought all my progress was from actually being pregnent!
Black sheep:I asked Joseph what to expect - he said that the greatest increase he heard of in 2 months is 1.5 inches.. and he doesn't have any further details after that time, since people stop logging the results after this time.
Alexia
(Login Alexia1981)
Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 12:38 PM
I don't believe you need to release milk as you describe it. As Lisa mentioned in the lactation thread the goal is to bring your breasts to the stage they were during pregnancy where they enlarged in preparation for lactating, but didn't necessarily lactate. I'm not planning to lactate at all. My mother grew during her pregnancy, and she didn't lactate (she didn't breast feed) and kept a whole cup size afterwards. Maybe I'm naive but I hope to keep a bit of permanent growth to without having to lactate
Kitty
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 12:50 PM
Some of your points I can understand, others I don't really agree with. I think Beth has been doing GYs the longest and she said she never had any leaking; and she's grown 2 inches. She also doesn't do the nipple exercises.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:03 PM
I have not started this program, but do regularly massage a few times a week just for breast health and not as deeply or intensely as this program requires. I guess my guestion is, after nursing 3 children, all pregnacies being different, how do you be intimate with someone when there is a chance of fluid leaking, or to put it another way, your body says to itself "oh the baby wants fed". As soon as any sucking sesation starts the breasts let milk DOWN so to speak. And if fluid is not being changed, new fluid coming in and old fluid leaving, as with brastfeeding, does the fluid carry too many toxins from our systems to be safe? It is a fact that women that have breastfed have a lower risk of breast cancer than those that have not, because the breast was emptied. Also it is very common to leak 6 weeks before dilvery, while others not till after birth. Do these questions make sence? I guess anyone that has been pregnant and nursed will understand what I mean.
Sun_rise
(Login Sun_rise)
maintenance
May 4 2007, 1:34 PM
Alexia
"After the lobes have developed there will be a maintenance program to minimise the exercises that maintain the increases you have achieved with minimal lactation" (how our process works video)
So according to GY, you will have to have "minimal lactation". You will have to lactate to maintain increases.
Perhaps Beth is discovering a new path where we can follow the program and not lactate. This will be great if it works for more people! Only time will tell.
Snowflake
(Login GoldSnowflake)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:36 PM
For questions in top post, for breast feeding a baby, IF THE MOTHER HAS NO TROUBLE NURSING< the breast will make what ever the baby is taking, meaning if baby is taking 3 ounces from each breast at a feeding of 4 hours apart, the breasts will make 3 ounces each for the neaxt feeding. When trying to wean baby, you would start by stopping a feeding , do that for a week and then stop another feeding. Until your down to one feeding aday and then gradually stop that. The idea behind this is so there is not milk left in the breast to cause infection and to leave milk glands clean. The body does not make anymore milk when you decrease feedings. it is called drying up and is the process used to stop milk production. Anyone nursing and giving about 8 feeding a day and then just stops cold turkey can expect problems. Infections, soreness, fever.
Alexia
(Login Alexia1981)
Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:42 PM
Feeling less enthousiastic already...
Henri
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 1:59 PM
Not stepping on toes just would like to make a comment. I stopped nursing my youngest "cold turkey" from about 6feedings a day. He got very sick and hospitalized and he had to be nourished through an IV as everything else came right back up, this lasted for almost a week and a half. I did not experience any of the symptoms of an infection, and I do know what they are as I have had numerous ones while nursing, so I just wanted to say that those symptoms are not "Always", but "Possibilities" depending on your body - as with everything else here.
I understand what you are saying about the lactation part while being...intimate....because its a concern I have. If I ever get to the point that I am producing even the slightest bit of fluid, clear or otherwise as your colosterum (sp) comes in first, then I will be stopping the program.
Personally, my overall goal is to use this as a massage only - I still don't make 30mins, which might be part of my problem, but in addition continue up with the herbs, especially since I seem to have hit a small road block, which could be numerous things.
Sunrise - I think you have very valid points, and have addressed concerns that we have all mentioned and even thought, maybe just not at one time. However I would like to say that these are all chances we take with the whole NBE process. Many people have had adverse reactions to BO, PM, Herbs, but that hasn't stopped anyone from still using them. Everyone should read through the forum, because alot of this is covered, especially in some of the earlier posts, and then as is always suggested to newcomers, decided for yourself what you are willing and not willing to do.
I too have concerns, and will be watcing out for them, and if any appear then I am done with intensity of the program, and will just use it as my 5-10 min daily massage and if the concerns still are present then I will be stopping altogether.
Another thought - Have you asked Joseph these questions and gotten his feedback - whatever it may be? Or see if he answered them over on the BeBoard: maybe his original post and then the most recent, because I know he answered some questions over there.
Alexia
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:02 PM
Hi Sun-rise and Snowflake (or anyone else),
What about Tiger Lily's method? She also grow by massaging vigourously (together with eating boobiefood) and she also targeted the "lumps" as she described them as growth blokades. She didn't lactate and grew very well. Don't mean to argue, I'm just very interested in your opinions (I desperately want boobs and I' doing grow yours but don't want to lactate!)
Thanks!
Jennifer
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:02 PM
OK this may sound odd my I've talked to my husband about this and he says there are plenty of men that actually find lactation a turn on. So it may not be a big of a worry as you think Yes I think its odd but what the hay, he's happy with thier size already and I never in over 8 years stopped producing colostrum after my pregnancy so this won't be much different for me.
I think I also read some where on the site that there is an option of continuing the program after 90 days with more aggressive massages to full on lactate, in the cases of addoptive mothers who want to breastfeed or "women who want to lactate for sexual pleasure(something like that anyway can't remember the actual words) soooo I don't think by doing the maintenace you will actually lactate or have any leaking...you really really have to have breasts that are VERY full for them to just leak on thier own.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:09 PM
These are just questions I personally have. I did have trouble after stopped nursing first one. Ended up surgically removing the milk gland. It was fine, nothing to worry about, but could have had potenial for serious problem later on in life. And everyone is different. I do know that when nursing, you are never allow your breast area to become cold, like from a winter wind, must keep area warm or you can become very, very sore and swollen, again this is from experience, having had cold in breast when nursing. These are just my worries with this program, but I guess we must remember our hormone levels could never be what they would be after being pregnant. It would just be impossible, so maybe that has something to do with the success fo this program.
katherine
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GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:09 PM
Jennifer, So true! When I told my hubby what I was doing and the lactation possiblity (we have 3 children) His response? YAYYYY!!!!(while smacking his lips!) I, however, plan on trying to avoid this! Bit of moisture during message: Fine and dandy. Full on lactation: would cut back considerably to cut that out!
katherine
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:13 PM
I don't know about the fullness and leaking theory, I do know as soon as my baby started crying I would leak. And that was with every child until they were about 6 weeks old. So everyone is different.
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:29 PM
My questions only come from my own experiences I had when I did nurse. Seriously thinking about doing this program later on when I would have more time and also wanting to know how other women get along with this after a month or so. So really just very curious and would like to hear others reactions. Trying to figure out if this would be good for me, of course the big boob part would be great wouldn't it? And like I said before hormone levels couldn't possibly be the same as going through pregnancy and feel that has alot to do with it too.
Sun_rise
(Login Sun_rise)
gentle massage
May 4 2007, 2:37 PM
http://www.natural-breast-guide.com/articles/breast-massage-enhancement.html
This is an article about Breast Massage for Breast Enhancement.
I think quite alot of us have already been using massage. But has anyone massaged regularly before GY, twice a day, every day? and achieved growth?
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 2:43 PM
I've pretty much massaged everyday, twice daily (if not more), for over the last year and only gained fullness, maybe 1/4 to 1/2 inch. I've gained more in the last week and a half (over an inch)doing GY than I ever did in the past year. Also, I gained weight with herbs. I will not go that route again.
veedubchick
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GY-How it Works
May 4 2007, 3:50 PM
I just wanted to say that I started yesterday and 5 minutes after the massage my breast felt just like they did when I was nursing. Tingling sensation that you get right before the MER (Milk Ejection Reflex) or "let down", but w/o the actual let down. Now mind you I just had my 3rd and last child 10 months ago and nursed for 3 weeks. I had to stop nursing due to high blood pressure and the meds I had to take.So I was way bummed by having to stop, after all I nursed my 2nd until she was 2 and the very next week I got pregnant with #3. Anyway, I may be the only one here that doesn't mind re-lactacting, I may even at some point pump again. My opinion, if you are uncomfortable about the "lactaction" part of the process then don't do it, if you are ok with the "possibilities" then knock yourself out. There has to be a level of comfort somewhere. This process is supposed to relieve some of the worries of NBE, pill taking, routines, etc., it shouldn't be stressing you ladies out. And we all know stress is the worse thing you can do to yourself for many reasons other then NBE. Please don't misjudge me, I am not trying to be nasty or offend anyone, just adding my 2 cents.
Moon
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 3:56 PM
I will only say, interesting topic. It's good that we who are doing GY discuss all the potential positives and negatives of our NBE method. I would stop doing the regular agressive GY if I started lactating, wouldn't mind a few drops tho. But from what I know, the first stage of 'lactation' is only preparation, when lobes increse in size, but don't produce much or any liquid yet, which is the stage we are trying to reach.
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 4:24 PM
Ditto Moon. That's how I feel too.
Beth
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:06 PM
I just wanted to respond on the part about having to release milk and do the nipple massages. I have not done the nipple massages at ALL and I have been on the program for 1 month. I have gained 2.5". (Warning, possibly TMI lol) My hubby and I have a very active sex life, and I have never leaked then either. I do have pregnancy symptoms, but not acne. Actually, my skin looks better now than it has in years! I understand that we have to do this every few days for the rest of our lives. The program tells you this before you start, so that is not a suprise to me. I decided before I started the program that I am okay with that. Just wanted to add my opion.
js89
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:11 PM
Thank you Beth. That is all good to know. I am not doing the nipple massages at all either and am gaining size.
Beth
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:16 PM
Ladies,
You know what else I have noticed? I seem to only get "preggo" symptoms (fatigue, nausea, etc) when I have missed a massage. If I do them twice a day, I feel great. Pretty weird, huh?
Snowflake
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 7:32 PM
Hey thanks Beth, this is good to know. Please keep in touch as your progress.
Corrie
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 4 2007, 8:20 PM
Ok...great thread, but here's a really important question:
Has ANYONE here lactated yet at all on the GY program?
White Sheep
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 5 2007, 10:47 AM
h that sounds sore and i have pierced nipples i dont think i could do that
Miss Monet
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 8 2007, 3:32 AM
Wow, Beth! 2.5"?? That's GREAT!
Question: Have you ever been pregnant/nursed before? I know they say that previously pregnant girls have the best results... but if you're kid-free I'll be totally amazed!
P H
(Login Babyboob)
Beth: I would like your advice.
May 8 2007, 7:59 AM
Hi, Beth
Learned that you have great results, congratulations! I posted another message here on this board and got a reply from Moon (thanks to that, Moon) but since you have so great results, I would like your advice as well.
I started the program one week ago but it seems no significant increase. I wonder if I do it correctly. I am at my forties and have one kid but never breastfed. I massage twice a day, each around 40 minutes but I skipped the nipple exercises, as I don't want any lactation. My fingers & my arms are already so sore after massaging for a while, so I have to use alternate hands to do it. I only do the massage without taking any herbs at this stage 'cos I am scared of any unknown or undiscovered side effects but I started the chicken feet soup two days ago. Do you think I will see any increase soon. I know everyone is different but when I learn that you have so great results so soon, I just couldn't resist the temptation to try it. Please give me some advice. Thanks.
PH
Abigail3
(Login Abigail3)
I have a question
May 9 2007, 7:43 AM
I have a question to all of those who have been on the grow yours program. My question is have you grown to the size you were when u were engorged (after your milk came in) after having your baby? I remember blowing up after each of my children and looking in the mirror with my eyes bulging out at my "new chest". Is it anything like that? Or is it just a little added fullness? I was a B before having kids and then when my milk came in I must have been a D... Is this possible with grow yours? Also, I'm a little leary about starting it because breastfeeding is what got me in this whole BE process to begin with (saggy, flat, no tops, smaller than my prepregnancy size)........and then to try and fill them back up with milk again.....hmmmmmmm.
Anonymous
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To Corrie
May 9 2007, 7:57 AM
To answer your question Corrie, I think Veedubchick started lactating and quit the program.
Lisa
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Re: GROW YOURS- HOW IT WORKS
May 14 2007, 10:11 PM
No time to log in, but just wanted to say that some ladies are completely confused about the "things" that take place when you are actually FULLY lactating and the things that take place when you're on GY. They are two totally different scenarios. Stop being afraid of leaking and things like that, I don't believe any of us have experienced anything like that at all. And if so, it's not happening for 99% of us.