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hormonal balance
February 22 2006 at 2:14 AM Noelle (no login)
I am new to this and still trying to understand the role herbs play in balancing hormones Is there anyway to determine if you should increase a particular herb by paying closer attention to your body? For example, if you have hair growing on your breast or chin should you increase saw palmetto? If you have severe PMS or cramps should you increase your fenugreek?
In complete balance should you not experience any of the above?
Help anyone (especially HonB)
SugarQ
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Re: hormonal balance
February 22 2006, 5:38 AM
the quick answer to your question is yes and no. there are signs you can use to determine what you are lacking or have excess of. all the hormones like estrogen, and testosterone have key symptomes that show up. with everyone these symptoms are expressed differently and sometimes it may not be noticed by some. on the beboard there is link to a questionair that help you determine what imbalances you may have. its helpful but not accurate. even taking hormone test may not give the most accurate picture of what imbalanced you may have in you fit in normal range. if you are excess androgen then yeah a test will definatly pick that up. but someone who has excess androgen symtomes it may be that the body is a little more sensative to the hormone (for many reasones) and still fit the normal range.
Overall you want a high estrogen, lower progesterone and low testoserone for NBE. beleive it or not all these steroids have the potential of causing NBE. even testosterone can be converted into estrogen and cause nbe. and it happens. some women are androgen deficient and they suppliment with natural testoterone or precursers and grow. but in, lets say, the average or ideal woman. we want lower androgens.
progesterone does cause NBE. it develops and enlarge milk glands and cause swelling but it may also help estrogen with NBE. first off progesterone inhibit some of estrogens activities and helps balance things off. too much estrogen equal no growth because Estrogen recepter will become over stimulated and to over come this they desensitize and become less sensitive to balance off the excess. when you use progesterone during the time of a woman's cycle when progesterone is elevated breasts grow the most. why is that? its becuase progesterone help to resensitize estrogen receptors. so when you have an estrogen excess or a peak in estrogen progesterone will help make the excess estrogen more effective which is why women experience swelling during the luteal phase of their menstral cycle. it perfectly explainable when you consider when pregnant your hormone levels dont drop towhich signals new cycle. instread they rise. within the first 8 weeks of prengancy a woman will experiene between 1/2 and 2 cups of growth. during the luteal phase the body is getting ready for a potenial pregnancy and the increase in estogen and progestrone helps to get the body ready. which is why you get breast swelling which leads to more breast development once a woman is pregnant. now when you look at women who get increased breast size while on the pill. its typically women with already large breast who experience this. why is this? well women with large breasts usually have more estrogen and DHEA. once their pubecent growth stabalizes and the excess estrogen doesnt have too much of an effect on the breast tissue, adding a BCP with a high progestin or getting pregnant will cause increased breast size. the elevated progesterone helps to resensitize the estrogen receptors an the excess estrogen now goes to work again.
Now im dont know if herbs an effectivly achieve the needed ratio of steroids needed to NBE. fenugreek helps with milk production so it increases prolactin levels. prolactin works with estrogen to cause NBE which may be the reason my its considered effective for NBE as well. SP inhibits DHT but it im not too sure if that means it inhibits other androgen in general. if not and you got severe androgen excess then a prescription med may an option. other Phytoestrogen may actually decrease or increase estrogen levels instead of increase them. because of its less potent nature it will compete with natural estrogens and may cause an excess of estrogen where the body start to produce more estrogen to over come the less potent herbs (this may explain why women feel more unusual breast sensations and swelling during the luteal phase when progestrone begins to peak especially if they normally dont experience this when not on NBE.) but overall phytoestrogens may actually decrease estrogen levels becuase of its cancer inhibiting nature. phytoetrogens are weaker then natual estrogen and so the net effect may be a lower estrogen activity. lower estrogen activity lowers cancer risks. but lower estrogen activity also means less NBE success may be reduced.
Overall i dont know. all i know is that during puberty (when breast grow the most and is more perminant) estrogen is high and you start growing growth factors rise and progesterone is low. progesterone comes along and for some women growth BE is slower but progesterone does its job for breast development. and then by age 21 a woman should have a normal hormonal cycle so growth stops.its a good idea to take the questionair to see if you have any excesses or deficiencies. so you know what you need more of. if you do a routine and after 6 months you dont make much progress then get an actual test done and maybe more drastic steps need to be taken to experience growth. if you are excess adrogen and SP doesnt help then drugs like spironolactone may help with NBE. a common side effect in women who use it is NBE. and Transfemales use it as well to help with NBE. if you are estrogen excess (according to doctor lee most women are) then boosting progesterone may help with NBE. so Progesterone cream or BCP may help. if you are normal to low then some how you got to get the excess estrogen and the right progesterone balance to spur NBE. if you are underweight or have a low BMI and low body fat % gaining some pounds may help. you may need to take prescription hormones like pregnenolone ,DHEA,estradiol and testosterone. people who are low or hormone deficient respond better to natural steroids like teens, men and Menopausal women but it get harder to cause NBE if you are finished with puberty and have limited breast development (little or no glandular tissue). its hard to say c what to do cause its unclear in herbs are effective at meeting causing the excess estrogen and lower progesterone levels and if you are in the normal range its hard to get right balance for NBE without disrupting your body's chemistry. its rare for a women in the normal rage to experience NBE without any aches, pains disconfort, changes in the entire body.
sorry for the long post. force of habbit. i hope i gave you all the relative info to your question. yes your body will give you clues that may help you find out the prob. Have you read F2F? it really explains well what you need to get NBE. although they talk about using GABA for increasing HGH its actually IGF most responsisble for causing NBE and i read on the beboard that HGH may in fact stop fat from being deposited. so becareful with that. there are some ways you can take GABA to ensure that you get it to convert into IGF but if you are just taking GABA indiscriminatly then you are not getting alot done.
Hope this helps.
Noelle
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Re: hormonal balance
February 22 2006, 6:11 AM
Thank you so much HonB. Your answer was very informative. Gave me a few ideas and I think I will get that hormone test.
Carol Ann
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Hon is right,Noelle!!!
February 22 2006, 7:30 AM
Noelle,the most common effect of estrogen levels in your body as a teen does cause havac on your boobs. And if your herbs are working for you,and you still have concerns over cramping during your period,maybe you can try drinking 2 cups of red raspberry tea each day starting 3 or 4 days before your period and while you are on it. That way you don't disrupt your routine whatsoever. If it is working for you at present time,then I would say drink the tea. You can even add a dropperful of liquid black cohash a day to also ease the crimson curse. Just place 1 dropperful of liquid black cohash onto your tongue and swallow it down.
For the tea,if you chose to take my advice, just steep a red raspberry tea bag in hot water for 5 minutes.. You can even sweeten it with honey or raw sugar. Make sure you get the real red raspberry and not the flavored one.It can be found in any herb store near you. And it works!!! My goddaughter swears by it every month.
I was not as lucky as you when I was having periods. I didn't know anything about this stuff until way after I had my last baby...who is 15. I got heavy into it after he was born and have not turned back. When I was a teen, I would go into the herb store at the mall and ask questions and eat the healthy snacks they offer there because I have always been health conscience. So, you can best bet,herbs are great when taken in the right way. But,they are also way dangerous if abused too.
Also, I take dhea everynight to help out a little bit as well. I try and stay clear of adding too much into my body at once,but the dhea seems to help out alot. My skin and hair have never felt this soft...hehehehe. Ok,that is all. Sorry Hon,I just happened to get another email saying someon posted a message and thought I would drop off my 2 cents worth,whatever its worth to anyone.
C Ya, Carol Ann
February 22 2006 at 2:14 AM Noelle (no login)
I am new to this and still trying to understand the role herbs play in balancing hormones Is there anyway to determine if you should increase a particular herb by paying closer attention to your body? For example, if you have hair growing on your breast or chin should you increase saw palmetto? If you have severe PMS or cramps should you increase your fenugreek?
In complete balance should you not experience any of the above?
Help anyone (especially HonB)
SugarQ
(no login)
Re: hormonal balance
February 22 2006, 5:38 AM
the quick answer to your question is yes and no. there are signs you can use to determine what you are lacking or have excess of. all the hormones like estrogen, and testosterone have key symptomes that show up. with everyone these symptoms are expressed differently and sometimes it may not be noticed by some. on the beboard there is link to a questionair that help you determine what imbalances you may have. its helpful but not accurate. even taking hormone test may not give the most accurate picture of what imbalanced you may have in you fit in normal range. if you are excess androgen then yeah a test will definatly pick that up. but someone who has excess androgen symtomes it may be that the body is a little more sensative to the hormone (for many reasones) and still fit the normal range.
Overall you want a high estrogen, lower progesterone and low testoserone for NBE. beleive it or not all these steroids have the potential of causing NBE. even testosterone can be converted into estrogen and cause nbe. and it happens. some women are androgen deficient and they suppliment with natural testoterone or precursers and grow. but in, lets say, the average or ideal woman. we want lower androgens.
progesterone does cause NBE. it develops and enlarge milk glands and cause swelling but it may also help estrogen with NBE. first off progesterone inhibit some of estrogens activities and helps balance things off. too much estrogen equal no growth because Estrogen recepter will become over stimulated and to over come this they desensitize and become less sensitive to balance off the excess. when you use progesterone during the time of a woman's cycle when progesterone is elevated breasts grow the most. why is that? its becuase progesterone help to resensitize estrogen receptors. so when you have an estrogen excess or a peak in estrogen progesterone will help make the excess estrogen more effective which is why women experience swelling during the luteal phase of their menstral cycle. it perfectly explainable when you consider when pregnant your hormone levels dont drop towhich signals new cycle. instread they rise. within the first 8 weeks of prengancy a woman will experiene between 1/2 and 2 cups of growth. during the luteal phase the body is getting ready for a potenial pregnancy and the increase in estogen and progestrone helps to get the body ready. which is why you get breast swelling which leads to more breast development once a woman is pregnant. now when you look at women who get increased breast size while on the pill. its typically women with already large breast who experience this. why is this? well women with large breasts usually have more estrogen and DHEA. once their pubecent growth stabalizes and the excess estrogen doesnt have too much of an effect on the breast tissue, adding a BCP with a high progestin or getting pregnant will cause increased breast size. the elevated progesterone helps to resensitize the estrogen receptors an the excess estrogen now goes to work again.
Now im dont know if herbs an effectivly achieve the needed ratio of steroids needed to NBE. fenugreek helps with milk production so it increases prolactin levels. prolactin works with estrogen to cause NBE which may be the reason my its considered effective for NBE as well. SP inhibits DHT but it im not too sure if that means it inhibits other androgen in general. if not and you got severe androgen excess then a prescription med may an option. other Phytoestrogen may actually decrease or increase estrogen levels instead of increase them. because of its less potent nature it will compete with natural estrogens and may cause an excess of estrogen where the body start to produce more estrogen to over come the less potent herbs (this may explain why women feel more unusual breast sensations and swelling during the luteal phase when progestrone begins to peak especially if they normally dont experience this when not on NBE.) but overall phytoestrogens may actually decrease estrogen levels becuase of its cancer inhibiting nature. phytoetrogens are weaker then natual estrogen and so the net effect may be a lower estrogen activity. lower estrogen activity lowers cancer risks. but lower estrogen activity also means less NBE success may be reduced.
Overall i dont know. all i know is that during puberty (when breast grow the most and is more perminant) estrogen is high and you start growing growth factors rise and progesterone is low. progesterone comes along and for some women growth BE is slower but progesterone does its job for breast development. and then by age 21 a woman should have a normal hormonal cycle so growth stops.its a good idea to take the questionair to see if you have any excesses or deficiencies. so you know what you need more of. if you do a routine and after 6 months you dont make much progress then get an actual test done and maybe more drastic steps need to be taken to experience growth. if you are excess adrogen and SP doesnt help then drugs like spironolactone may help with NBE. a common side effect in women who use it is NBE. and Transfemales use it as well to help with NBE. if you are estrogen excess (according to doctor lee most women are) then boosting progesterone may help with NBE. so Progesterone cream or BCP may help. if you are normal to low then some how you got to get the excess estrogen and the right progesterone balance to spur NBE. if you are underweight or have a low BMI and low body fat % gaining some pounds may help. you may need to take prescription hormones like pregnenolone ,DHEA,estradiol and testosterone. people who are low or hormone deficient respond better to natural steroids like teens, men and Menopausal women but it get harder to cause NBE if you are finished with puberty and have limited breast development (little or no glandular tissue). its hard to say c what to do cause its unclear in herbs are effective at meeting causing the excess estrogen and lower progesterone levels and if you are in the normal range its hard to get right balance for NBE without disrupting your body's chemistry. its rare for a women in the normal rage to experience NBE without any aches, pains disconfort, changes in the entire body.
sorry for the long post. force of habbit. i hope i gave you all the relative info to your question. yes your body will give you clues that may help you find out the prob. Have you read F2F? it really explains well what you need to get NBE. although they talk about using GABA for increasing HGH its actually IGF most responsisble for causing NBE and i read on the beboard that HGH may in fact stop fat from being deposited. so becareful with that. there are some ways you can take GABA to ensure that you get it to convert into IGF but if you are just taking GABA indiscriminatly then you are not getting alot done.
Hope this helps.
Noelle
(no login)
Re: hormonal balance
February 22 2006, 6:11 AM
Thank you so much HonB. Your answer was very informative. Gave me a few ideas and I think I will get that hormone test.
Carol Ann
(no login)
Hon is right,Noelle!!!
February 22 2006, 7:30 AM
Noelle,the most common effect of estrogen levels in your body as a teen does cause havac on your boobs. And if your herbs are working for you,and you still have concerns over cramping during your period,maybe you can try drinking 2 cups of red raspberry tea each day starting 3 or 4 days before your period and while you are on it. That way you don't disrupt your routine whatsoever. If it is working for you at present time,then I would say drink the tea. You can even add a dropperful of liquid black cohash a day to also ease the crimson curse. Just place 1 dropperful of liquid black cohash onto your tongue and swallow it down.
For the tea,if you chose to take my advice, just steep a red raspberry tea bag in hot water for 5 minutes.. You can even sweeten it with honey or raw sugar. Make sure you get the real red raspberry and not the flavored one.It can be found in any herb store near you. And it works!!! My goddaughter swears by it every month.
I was not as lucky as you when I was having periods. I didn't know anything about this stuff until way after I had my last baby...who is 15. I got heavy into it after he was born and have not turned back. When I was a teen, I would go into the herb store at the mall and ask questions and eat the healthy snacks they offer there because I have always been health conscience. So, you can best bet,herbs are great when taken in the right way. But,they are also way dangerous if abused too.
Also, I take dhea everynight to help out a little bit as well. I try and stay clear of adding too much into my body at once,but the dhea seems to help out alot. My skin and hair have never felt this soft...hehehehe. Ok,that is all. Sorry Hon,I just happened to get another email saying someon posted a message and thought I would drop off my 2 cents worth,whatever its worth to anyone.
C Ya, Carol Ann