28-02-2016, 16:17
clinical trials
October 3 2005 at 4:32 PM MissMe (no login)
anyone know if there is any data out there? or are sites like this my best bet for finding THE solution?
also, is there anyone out there who started off as a large 32b/small 32c and found herbs/cream to be successful? or is it more effective for those starting off smaller?
thanks!
Andrea
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Re: clinical trials
October 3 2005, 8:59 PM
Some companies have conducted clinical trials, although some of these have involved a limited number of women and some have not been true double blind studies. But yes some companies do have bona fide independent clinical trials, but even then it is not evidence that would meet medical standards because that would require a series of studies (you cannot establish any proposition by one study alone). It's unlikey that any company would invest the money in getting this done because it's not possible to patent a herbal formulation and therefore whoever made the investment would not be able to benefit from it. Otherwise there would be a mad rush to get the necessary studies done.
Regarding the studies that have been done, it's much more common to find them in Europe than the US, though the first ever claimed study was for Grobust in 1999. However, I don't think this was double blind or even blind. The first ever double blind study was for Wonderup, also in 1999, and others have followed. But as I said before, none of the studies conducted so far would be accepted as scientific proof. Many US companies claim studies that appear not to even exist, especially those that use promotional or comparison sites. These kind of sites are often anonymous anyway, so they would not fear anyone asking for details of their 'studies'. Things are a lot better in Europe, where they appear willing to actually conduct genuine studies and where the supposedly independent promotional sites appear not to exist.
SugarQ
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: clinical trials
August 13 2006, 6:08 PM
its actually better if a woman has bigger breasts. the reason is that breast size is mainly fat. about 80% to be exact. so what we are all doing here is trying to store more fat in the breast. fat and estrogen levels vary directly. so the more fat you have the more estrogen you have. more estrogen means more fat. so the only problem now it to disable testosterone and reactivate the estrogen receptors (that does dorment when there is so much estrogen that the body doesnt know what to do with it) and you got fat going everywhere. so you gain weight. now most of us dont want to get bigger breast buy getting fater so we take herbs that stimulate prolactin which actually directs estrogen to store fat mainly in the breast. now it seems so simple but trust me it really hard to make NBE work the way it should.
now the smaller the breasts the harder it is to jump start the growth process. as for limitations. well the only limitation to size is how well you respond to herbs. if you managed to gain 1 or 2 cups then all you have to do, if you want more, is to maintain what you have for a decent amount of time. take a year or two break then start again.
herbs can work for pretty much any breast size. so the main thing is what hormones you have already in your body. its actually controlling those hormones that makes NBE possible not stuffing up on photestrogens and testosterone blockers.
October 3 2005 at 4:32 PM MissMe (no login)
anyone know if there is any data out there? or are sites like this my best bet for finding THE solution?
also, is there anyone out there who started off as a large 32b/small 32c and found herbs/cream to be successful? or is it more effective for those starting off smaller?
thanks!
Andrea
(no login)
Re: clinical trials
October 3 2005, 8:59 PM
Some companies have conducted clinical trials, although some of these have involved a limited number of women and some have not been true double blind studies. But yes some companies do have bona fide independent clinical trials, but even then it is not evidence that would meet medical standards because that would require a series of studies (you cannot establish any proposition by one study alone). It's unlikey that any company would invest the money in getting this done because it's not possible to patent a herbal formulation and therefore whoever made the investment would not be able to benefit from it. Otherwise there would be a mad rush to get the necessary studies done.
Regarding the studies that have been done, it's much more common to find them in Europe than the US, though the first ever claimed study was for Grobust in 1999. However, I don't think this was double blind or even blind. The first ever double blind study was for Wonderup, also in 1999, and others have followed. But as I said before, none of the studies conducted so far would be accepted as scientific proof. Many US companies claim studies that appear not to even exist, especially those that use promotional or comparison sites. These kind of sites are often anonymous anyway, so they would not fear anyone asking for details of their 'studies'. Things are a lot better in Europe, where they appear willing to actually conduct genuine studies and where the supposedly independent promotional sites appear not to exist.
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: clinical trials
August 13 2006, 6:08 PM
its actually better if a woman has bigger breasts. the reason is that breast size is mainly fat. about 80% to be exact. so what we are all doing here is trying to store more fat in the breast. fat and estrogen levels vary directly. so the more fat you have the more estrogen you have. more estrogen means more fat. so the only problem now it to disable testosterone and reactivate the estrogen receptors (that does dorment when there is so much estrogen that the body doesnt know what to do with it) and you got fat going everywhere. so you gain weight. now most of us dont want to get bigger breast buy getting fater so we take herbs that stimulate prolactin which actually directs estrogen to store fat mainly in the breast. now it seems so simple but trust me it really hard to make NBE work the way it should.
now the smaller the breasts the harder it is to jump start the growth process. as for limitations. well the only limitation to size is how well you respond to herbs. if you managed to gain 1 or 2 cups then all you have to do, if you want more, is to maintain what you have for a decent amount of time. take a year or two break then start again.
herbs can work for pretty much any breast size. so the main thing is what hormones you have already in your body. its actually controlling those hormones that makes NBE possible not stuffing up on photestrogens and testosterone blockers.