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Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 25 2008 at 12:44 AM Berengere (Login Berengere)

I came across this great article a while back and always come back to it when I need motivation. At the end of the article he says he knew a woman who went from a 34B to a 36 C in three months of exercising her chest after making love. Enjoy!

Here is the link:

http://www.totalityofbeing.com/ArchivedBreastShape.htm




Hopeful88
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 26 2008, 6:17 AM

I read this article yesterday and *ahem* tried out the suggestions today Smile hehe... felt good, we'll see if it works

good luck, thanks for the info!



Berengere
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 26 2008, 11:54 PM

thanks you too!

Ya I find his suggestions to certainly be the most pleasurable and fun of nbe protocols. lol



Jen
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 1:22 AM

Hey that link isn't working for me. Would love to have a read.



Berengere
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 1:55 AM

Jen,

Go to the website totalityofbeing.com and look into the archived articles. You will find it there. Also did you try copy and paste? Let me know how it goes.




Pearl
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 3:13 AM



Try copying and pasting this, it worked for me putting that part into my browser.

totalityofbeing.com/ArchivedBreastShape



madboobie
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what do you think about...
January 27 2008, 5:49 PM

....what he says about increased progesterone being the key to bigger boobs? He seems rather down on oestrogen,

'....decreased fertility and libido, increased body fat from the hips down, and increase in various kinds of fibrosis are all things that can be looked forward to from extra estrogen.'

If I'm reading this right are we all going down the wrong route in trying to boost our oestrogen levels with herbs? Or are the two things compatible in a way I'm missing?!

Or is it simply a case of 'balancing' hormones with herbs rather than upping one's oestrogen levels?

Help.. I'm confused! Should I just chuck away the WU, slap on the wild yam cream and *ahem* like mad?!



littlesaggyboobs
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 8:40 PM

Well I too want bigger boobs. I would be willing to try anything...what works for some doesn't work for others so I could only hope that if I was to try this it would grow some boobs!



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 9:49 PM

To me what he is basically saying is that estrogen is mostly responsible for weight gain from the waist down(that doesnt mean that it doesnt makes some contribution to breast development, it's just not the primary hormone).

The major hormone involved in developing breasts is progesterone. He states that when you are estrogen dominant(which according to him most people are because of all the phytoestrogens found in our enviroment and the foods we eat)we tend to store our fat from the waist down, and by balancing our hormones with progesterone cream, the breasts will start to fill out and you will also be healthier.

If you read some of his other articles, you will see he talks a lot about the negative affects of too much estrogen in our bodies, and how using progesterone can balance the body and heal various conditions such as chronic fatigue, post partum depression, and fibromyalgia.

One thing that really caught my eye about breast growth was when he said if estrogen had anything to do with big breasts, woman on birth control pills would all have them.

Everyone is so different and there are many people who seem to have success with nbe utilizing foods and herb that increase estrogen, but I think his suggestions are really worth a try. We can theorize all we want, but the only thing that matters is if it gives results.




Cecilia
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 27 2008, 11:27 PM

That's a really interesting article. thanks for posting. It's so confusing isn't it? I've grown a little gradually since being on the pill - but remember most pills contain progesterone as well as oestrogen - so maybe it's that and not oestrogen making them grow???

On another wired note - my lover (it's in the early stages) "ahem'd" on my chest and gave it alot of attention the last time we were together and the following day when I woke up I measured bigger (and still do). The only reason I asked him to do this was because I read another thread on here about the need for yin and yang in breast growth). Or maybe they seem bigger to me beacuse the last guy i was with wouldn't even look at them, so maybe it just boosted my confidence???I don't know - it's confusing - but i'll try anything to make em grow. I lost almost an inch of growth in 5 days on fenugreek, so think progesterone cream might be worth a try???




Hopeful88
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 12:18 AM

Yes it is all very confusing... how could just NBE things have worked for so many people then? maybe once I'm all done with herbal stuff and see that they haven't worked I'll go an finally buy the cream and try that... this won't be for a while... but if that doesn't work than I'll officially end my NBE journey...



Berengere
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 4:32 AM

I think balancing your hormones with progesterone for breast growth seems very promising and worth a try for any woman looking to increase in size. Another thing that's great about the progesterone is that apparently if you use it for an extended period of time, it can permanently balance your hormones. Permanent balance = permanent growth. Think of it as a way of flushing the excess estrogen out and replacing it with progesterone. Then as long as you don't keep adding in more estrogen through your food and enviroment, it will stay that way. Definitely worth a try!

Btw, it was me, Bere, who wrote the article that it says Woolly Sheep wrote. For some reason because I wasn't logged in when I posted it a name was randomly picked for me. lol.

Good luck to everyone!



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 5:00 AM

Can you mixed progesterone and herbs??? or is it just one or the other??



Henri
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 12:12 PM

Ladies please be careful with the progesterone cream. Its not something you want to just add into your routine because of an article. Make sure you really do need it because of either estrogen dominance, or low amounts of progesterone. For some of the newer ladies, read back through some of the older posts on Vitex (search) and also some of the articles written about progesterone cream and those of others asking questions about it. Its really not something you should just play around with, in the hopes of it growing boobs.

There is also a good book about it written by John Lee, at least read that from your local library before continueing................

Edited: Because I obviously can't type and think at the same time, I only get about half of what I think out, which comes out confusing and jumbled. Sorry ladies *sheepish grin*



This message has been edited by henriettahippo on Jan 28, 2008 8:11 PM





Hopeful88
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 5:30 PM

"It might for some like Waxingmoon, but not for others, like me, however we both needed the progetserone in our systems."

So if you needed but the cream wasn't for you, what did you do in order to fix this issue Henri? Just curious Smile



Henri
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 8:10 PM

HaHa, I guess I should review my messages before I post them huh.

What I meant to say, which obviously didn't come out correctly (or at all) was that Progesterone Cream gave Waxingmoon some growth, but I haven't received any from it all, we both needed it, but don't quite have the same results. So progesterone cream might not be the answer for growing boobs, but some people might actually need to use it to balance other problems, and in balancing things out they can gain boobs or they might not gain boobs. Does this clarify things??

To answer your other question ;-)

I use progesterone cream because my dr. thinks it will help improve some of the problems that keep re-occuring with me due to high estrogen, but I didn't start using it for boobs, and also am not on any program atm.

I just don't want everyone running out to try it, and not need it to begin with.

I have edited my post so that way it hopefully makes more sense - thanks for pointing out my error!



This message has been edited by henriettahippo on Jan 28, 2008 8:19 PM




madboobie
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and another thing...
January 28 2008, 8:49 PM

Just thought I'd throw this into the debate to see what you girls think.

A friend of mine breast fed her first child, and ended up a 32A cup which looked tiny on her. She then fell pregnant again, breast fed her second, and went on the mini pill (progesterone only.) She ended up, and still is, 32DD. her seconc child is now 5 years old.

There might be no correlation between the boob size and the POP but its food for thought, don't you agree?



Woolly Sheep
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 9:18 PM

"Ladies please be careful with the progesterone cream. Its not something you want to just add into your routine because of an article. Make sure you really do need it because of either estrogen dominance, or low amounts of progesterone."

What is the difference between adding progesterone cream because of an article, and taking estrogenic herbs because you heard they could help you grow bigger boobs?

In my opinion, progesterone cream is far safer and more beneficial then most of the herbs touted as a way to increase breast size.

I see no reason why progesterone cream may be unsafe for anyone, unless you take it at the wrong times in excessive quantities, or use an unhealthy brand.

The man who wrote the article, Dr. Wong, uses progesterone cream for all types of problems with great success and no side effects. Because of the excessive estrogens we receive through our food intake and enviroment, in Dr. Wong's opinion, just about everyone could benefit from the use of progesterone cream.

If a man who works with thousands of people prescribing natural progesterone could make such a bold statement as that, I feel pretty confidant that it's at least safe to try for anyone who feels they may need it.

We each have our difference sources that we come to trust and because your doctor was the one who prescribed the progesterone cream for you, I would assume it was her/him that told you that you need to be careful with it? If so, this doesn't surprise me, as doctors are never allowed to make suggestions to take a supplement, especially a hormonal supplement, unless they feel it is absolutely 100% necessary for your symptoms or medical condition. Any doctor would tell a woman who has not had clinical tests showing she is estrogen dominant to not use progesterone. It's just the way the medical system works.

However, I'm all about finding my own wayWink

In conclusion, in the article Dr. Wong does not say it is just using progesterone cream that will fill your breasts out, there are other important suggestions as well to get the full benefit Wink



Henri
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 10:01 PM

Berengere - obviously I cannot stop you from trying anything, you seem to have already made up your mind on what you are going to do. It seems odd to me though that you are so willingly going to trust a "dr" on the web based off an article he wrote and the fact that he has "worked" with thousands of people.

I however think the article gives false hope, in making one believe that the answer is progesterone cream. Yes it has some great benefits, but if you really don't need it, it might not be that beneficial.

Please do a forum search as this isn't the first article mentioning that progesterone may be the key. I would suggest using the "match" instead of "date" search, and searching both progesterone and Dr. Wong, as this isn't the first time this article has been brought up - so its not something newly discovered.

You ladies can do whatever you want, just be well informed when you do it, and not just informed off one article. There is also some information in the general reference area or newbie section I can't remember, but it deals with pc.




Woolly Sheep
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 28 2008, 10:16 PM

Henri-

Yes, we all have to find our own ways. What works for one person will not always work for another and there are no gurantees.

I never really 'trust' anyone per se, especially medical professionals. I simply take the theories and suggestions and try them out for myself. If they work, great, if they dont, then off to find something else that will.

I like to say that theories are theories, but it's the results that really matter. However the fact that someone didn't get results from something, doesnt mean they are entirely useless.

I think the article has some great insights, and I also do not think that he is saying that progesterone cream is the answer to everything. For instance, the woman he mentioned who went from a 34B to a 36C did not even use the progesterone Wink Although I think it is an important part of his whole program.

Yes, thank you. I searched the entire site for anything I could find on progesterone cream before I posted this article. And I thought waxingmoon's results looked very encouraging for woman with hormonal imbalances. Though I believe she used massage as well?? Not sure. And yes, always use match when doing searches, or you might find yourself very confused Sad

I wish you the best of luck.

Feeling the growing pains gals. Especially on the right side. Very exciting!




littlesaggy boobs
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very interesting article
January 29 2008, 4:52 AM

Well I found the article very interesting...so much that I e-mailed Dr. Wong and asked some questions. My problem is 3 months ago I stopped nursing, but can still squeeze milk from my nipples, so I am waiting to try something to GROW SOME BOOBS! Dr. Wong said this shows a high level of prolactin which indicates a high estrogen level. Although my husband has had surgery to stop the baby factory and I don't need the pill, I would be interested in the mini pill.



wantbebig
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 29 2008, 5:07 AM

As for me, I just want to know if it is harmful or not. I do not mind if it is not beneficial. Can someone help?



Bere
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Re: Article on improving the size, shape, and health of breasts
January 29 2008, 8:32 PM

No it is not harmful. It is no different than taking herbs that increase estrogen. Just make sure you use a natural brand, and only use the recommended amount at the recommended times.
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