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Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006 at 5:52 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
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This is going to be a long post (how unlike me, ha ha), so my appologies. One of the most frequent topics I read on here is how someone's program is not working for them. Many seem to have very little results and some give up entirely. Some of my research has shed some light on why NBE may not work. I hope you find this useful.
NBE is about creating a hormonal effect to stimulate breast growth. Whether through massage, herbs, natural hormones, foods or hyponosis, the process used enhances the bodies ability to create hormones.
Hormones are chemical messengers. In NBE we want those chemicals to tell our bodies to grow breasts. Here is how things can go wrong:
1. The message may not get to where it needs to go. (the hormone is unable to pass into the cell - may be due to nutritional concerns or hormone imbalance)
2. The message gets to where it should be, but there is not a reciever. (the hormone gets to the cell, but the special receptor for that hormone is missing - this may be genetic)
3. The message gets to where it's going, but the receiver is already occupied. (some hormones compete with each other for receptor sites, ie: cortisol & progesterone, synthetic progesterone & natural progesterone, phytoestrogens & natural estrogens)
4. The message gets to where its going and the receiver gets the message, but the action created was not the intended reaction. (genetic glitches)
5. The message is delayed or blocked. (enzymes, vitamins, minerals and other nutrients were not available which impaired hormone function)
6. The message is inhibited. (nutritional imbalances or environmental factors may inhibit optimal response, ie: excess iron = enzyme malfunction, too much stress = too much cortisol, plastics & pesticides = too much artificial estrogen)
7. The message is too loud or too soft. (the amount of hormone alters the effect of the message, ie: too many phytoestrogens occupy the estrogen receptors thus lowering the bodies natural estrogen and increasing estrogen deficiency symptoms; too much progesterone exhausts receptors and reduces their sensitivity so benefits are lost)
Of all 7 reasons listed, only two (#2 and #4) are genetic. This means there is a lot we can do to help ourselves.
1) Eat a more nutritious diet and supplement with vitamins, minerals and protein needed for optimum NBE.
2) Reduce sugars and processed carbohydrates and caffeine.
3) Reduce stress through better sleep, proper nutrition, exercise and managing stressful relationships.
4) Reduce exposure to plastics, pesticides, antibiotic and hormone fed meats, solvents and synthetic hormones.
5) Start with small dosages and work up to levels that give you a desired effect. Use the minimal amount necessary to achieve your effect.
6) Resolve hormone imbalances. It is not a one size fits all solution. To achieve NBE you must use the supplements that suit your unique situation.
7) Study, study, study... keep good notes and records. Make a journal of your work. You alone know yourself. No one can do this part for you. We can only share what it is like for us.
8) Have patience. Even the most perfect plan will take time to show results. Quick results don't always last. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are boobs.
This is far from a complete list. Most of this I have learned from Dr. John Lee. Much of this has been from all of your thoughtful posts. I hope this can be a guide for those who are getting poor results or are losing hope. You can make a difference.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
bonnette
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:22 PM
i'm worried about the #2 and #4 , how could i tell?
jellyboobs
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awesome !!!
December 17 2006, 6:24 PM
great work waxing moon I think this would be good to post in the newbis section too !!! thankyou for all the hard work love jelly....
Moon
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:27 PM
One very importnat thing you didn't mention is blood circulation - poor blood circulation will virtually prevent NBE.
Also I'm more inclined to believe that caffeine doesn't really harm NBE progress, if not in excessive quantities of course and if you drink it at least an hour before/after taking herbs.
waxingmoon
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:32 PM
Bonnette,
Don't worry about #2 or #4, that's the point. If it is true that you have a genetic problem that NBE can't solve then your worry will not help. If you don't have a genetic problem, then your worry is unfounded and will actually add to your stress, thus reducing your NBE.
The odds are in your favor that you can do something about your breasts. Instead of focusing on something you can't control, focus on all the things you can control. Much of change is having the right attitude. Just keep repeating to yourself 'I think I can... I think I can...'. As lame as that sounds, affirmations (postitive statements) really do work.
waxingmoon
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:38 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Jelly, I posted this in the newbie section.
Moon,
Yes, circulation is key. Exercise and hormone balance will improve blood flow, and if that is not enough, supplements to improve circulation will definitely improve NBE. If those messengers get caught in sluggish circulation, they can't get to where they are going.
organic angel
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 19 2006, 6:01 AM
Moon: Here's some thoughts about caffiene. I also agree that a minimal amount of caffiene shouldn't be harmful or negate nbe results. 1-2 cups/daily should have no harmful affects. HOWEVER....you should always consume your pills/supplements 1-2 hrs after caffiene, and not consume large amounts of caffiene either. Large amounts of caffiene spike your cortisol and insulin, which puts all your hormones out of sync.
As for circulation, I agree that it is important. I think that is why body temp is such a large factor for those of us taking BO, and why massage and heat are always a great add-on to any routine. Good circulation permits passage of supplements into our cells, as well as the removal of toxins.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
boobins
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no more diet coke...
December 19 2006, 6:32 AM
so i have been reading this forum for maybe a month, and now its an addiction for me. lol. I started reading this and told myself I couldnt stop drinking diet coke. that was the only thing besides smoking I wasnt willing to change. I love that stuff,I drink it like its the air I breathe. well after reading this and the last post above mine. I am forsure gonna limit myself to only two diet cokes, this is coming from someone who drinks st least a six pack a day. told you guys, i love this stuff. anyway, I think water is gonna have to be my best friend
but after I have big boobies I will beable to drink all the diet coke I want 
Moon
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 20 2006, 9:22 AM
So I was worried about #2 as well, but then I started thinking - is it even possible to not have hormone receptors on breast cells at all? If that was the case, the boobs would never grow a cell, but if they grew during puberty at least a little, those receptors must be present.
Henri
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 20 2006, 12:00 PM
I sometimes wonder if I suffer from #4 ~ the message gets there, but doesn't do what its supposed to do :-)
This info is great ~ thanks for taking the time to post it.
December 17 2006 at 5:52 PM waxingmoon (Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
This is going to be a long post (how unlike me, ha ha), so my appologies. One of the most frequent topics I read on here is how someone's program is not working for them. Many seem to have very little results and some give up entirely. Some of my research has shed some light on why NBE may not work. I hope you find this useful.
NBE is about creating a hormonal effect to stimulate breast growth. Whether through massage, herbs, natural hormones, foods or hyponosis, the process used enhances the bodies ability to create hormones.
Hormones are chemical messengers. In NBE we want those chemicals to tell our bodies to grow breasts. Here is how things can go wrong:
1. The message may not get to where it needs to go. (the hormone is unable to pass into the cell - may be due to nutritional concerns or hormone imbalance)
2. The message gets to where it should be, but there is not a reciever. (the hormone gets to the cell, but the special receptor for that hormone is missing - this may be genetic)
3. The message gets to where it's going, but the receiver is already occupied. (some hormones compete with each other for receptor sites, ie: cortisol & progesterone, synthetic progesterone & natural progesterone, phytoestrogens & natural estrogens)
4. The message gets to where its going and the receiver gets the message, but the action created was not the intended reaction. (genetic glitches)
5. The message is delayed or blocked. (enzymes, vitamins, minerals and other nutrients were not available which impaired hormone function)
6. The message is inhibited. (nutritional imbalances or environmental factors may inhibit optimal response, ie: excess iron = enzyme malfunction, too much stress = too much cortisol, plastics & pesticides = too much artificial estrogen)
7. The message is too loud or too soft. (the amount of hormone alters the effect of the message, ie: too many phytoestrogens occupy the estrogen receptors thus lowering the bodies natural estrogen and increasing estrogen deficiency symptoms; too much progesterone exhausts receptors and reduces their sensitivity so benefits are lost)
Of all 7 reasons listed, only two (#2 and #4) are genetic. This means there is a lot we can do to help ourselves.
1) Eat a more nutritious diet and supplement with vitamins, minerals and protein needed for optimum NBE.
2) Reduce sugars and processed carbohydrates and caffeine.
3) Reduce stress through better sleep, proper nutrition, exercise and managing stressful relationships.
4) Reduce exposure to plastics, pesticides, antibiotic and hormone fed meats, solvents and synthetic hormones.
5) Start with small dosages and work up to levels that give you a desired effect. Use the minimal amount necessary to achieve your effect.
6) Resolve hormone imbalances. It is not a one size fits all solution. To achieve NBE you must use the supplements that suit your unique situation.
7) Study, study, study... keep good notes and records. Make a journal of your work. You alone know yourself. No one can do this part for you. We can only share what it is like for us.
8) Have patience. Even the most perfect plan will take time to show results. Quick results don't always last. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are boobs.
This is far from a complete list. Most of this I have learned from Dr. John Lee. Much of this has been from all of your thoughtful posts. I hope this can be a guide for those who are getting poor results or are losing hope. You can make a difference.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
bonnette
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Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:22 PM
i'm worried about the #2 and #4 , how could i tell?
jellyboobs
(Login jellyboobs)
EVE MEMBERS
awesome !!!
December 17 2006, 6:24 PM
great work waxing moon I think this would be good to post in the newbis section too !!! thankyou for all the hard work love jelly....
Moon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:27 PM
One very importnat thing you didn't mention is blood circulation - poor blood circulation will virtually prevent NBE.
Also I'm more inclined to believe that caffeine doesn't really harm NBE progress, if not in excessive quantities of course and if you drink it at least an hour before/after taking herbs.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:32 PM
Bonnette,
Don't worry about #2 or #4, that's the point. If it is true that you have a genetic problem that NBE can't solve then your worry will not help. If you don't have a genetic problem, then your worry is unfounded and will actually add to your stress, thus reducing your NBE.
The odds are in your favor that you can do something about your breasts. Instead of focusing on something you can't control, focus on all the things you can control. Much of change is having the right attitude. Just keep repeating to yourself 'I think I can... I think I can...'. As lame as that sounds, affirmations (postitive statements) really do work.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 17 2006, 6:38 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Jelly, I posted this in the newbie section.
Moon,
Yes, circulation is key. Exercise and hormone balance will improve blood flow, and if that is not enough, supplements to improve circulation will definitely improve NBE. If those messengers get caught in sluggish circulation, they can't get to where they are going.
organic angel
(Login organic_angel)
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 19 2006, 6:01 AM
Moon: Here's some thoughts about caffiene. I also agree that a minimal amount of caffiene shouldn't be harmful or negate nbe results. 1-2 cups/daily should have no harmful affects. HOWEVER....you should always consume your pills/supplements 1-2 hrs after caffiene, and not consume large amounts of caffiene either. Large amounts of caffiene spike your cortisol and insulin, which puts all your hormones out of sync.
As for circulation, I agree that it is important. I think that is why body temp is such a large factor for those of us taking BO, and why massage and heat are always a great add-on to any routine. Good circulation permits passage of supplements into our cells, as well as the removal of toxins.
Boobie Love My Organic Beauties
boobins
(Login boobins)
no more diet coke...
December 19 2006, 6:32 AM
so i have been reading this forum for maybe a month, and now its an addiction for me. lol. I started reading this and told myself I couldnt stop drinking diet coke. that was the only thing besides smoking I wasnt willing to change. I love that stuff,I drink it like its the air I breathe. well after reading this and the last post above mine. I am forsure gonna limit myself to only two diet cokes, this is coming from someone who drinks st least a six pack a day. told you guys, i love this stuff. anyway, I think water is gonna have to be my best friend
but after I have big boobies I will beable to drink all the diet coke I want Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 20 2006, 9:22 AM
So I was worried about #2 as well, but then I started thinking - is it even possible to not have hormone receptors on breast cells at all? If that was the case, the boobs would never grow a cell, but if they grew during puberty at least a little, those receptors must be present.
Henri
(Login henriettahippo)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Things that prevent NBE from working
December 20 2006, 12:00 PM
I sometimes wonder if I suffer from #4 ~ the message gets there, but doesn't do what its supposed to do :-)
This info is great ~ thanks for taking the time to post it.