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To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 26 2008 at 11:34 AM Babe (no login)
Hi waxingmoon
I did the online hormone test again, now I understand why I've put on so much weight since I've started NBE because I have excess estrogen. Now, I'm doing a liver cleanse, because I'm trying to lose that 3kg I've put on, but still taking PM cos I'm hoping my body will respond better to PM, however I think my weight keep going up, should I stop taking PM? What herbs should I take?
Here are my personal details and programme: Asian, 29, 155cm, my starting weight was 42kg now almost 45kg. My NBE project began 3 months ago, massage 2 times daily, I took pure PM 500mg x2 daily for 2 months, have gained 1.5kg but no boob growth and menstrual is messed up, a month ago I've added calcium then fenugreek, EPO, Omega and Ginkgo, still no result and I've gained an other 0.5kg, therefore I off everything (except PM) and doing a liver cleanse. I really don't know what I should do next after the cleanse.
waxingmoon
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 26 2008, 10:21 PM
Hi Babe,
The PM you are taking is a very potent estrogenic herb. It is probably not helping your estrogen excess and may be giving you more symptoms.
I would suggest dropping the PM completely and continuing the liver cleanse. You could then restart with support for your progesterone to balance all that excess estrogen. Vitex is an herb that will promote the production of progesterone. You could also use natural progesterone cream.
A good reference to your issue is the book by Dr. John Lee: 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause'. I have said it before and I will say it again - too bad he gave the book that title because younger women think it does not apply to them. In actuality it is an enormously helpful reference for balancing estrogen and progesterone as well as how to effectively and safely use progesterone cream.
I hope this is some help to you. Feel free to ask any more questions if you like. I will try and help you as best I can.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Babe
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June 27 2008, 6:57 AM
Waxingmoon, thank you so much for your help, your info is very helpful, I am greatly appreciated.
I think the PM has caused the excess estrogen...very disappointed PM doesn't work for me. I was wondering should I continue to take EPO, Omega, Ginkgo & Multivitamin for woman? Can I combine Vitex with those supplements? As I have spent lots of money this 3 months, I really hate to waste money by throwing them in the bin.
I also experienced messed up periods since I've started PM, I was wondering does Vitex helps with irregular periods? I off the BC pills since my NBE journey begin, should I stay off BC pills while I'm on Vitex?
Where can I purchase the book by Dr. John Lee? And where can I buy progesterone cream? I live in Australia, many things are not available in this country.
waxingmoon
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 27 2008, 3:01 PM
Hi Babe,
The EPO, Omega, Ginko and multivitamin should be fine and you can take those with the vitex. One of the common effects of vitex is that it does regulate your period. However, the full effect of vitex might not be felt for 3 months and for some there is a slight worsening of symptoms when taking vitex initially. It is still worth it though.
As far as the book, you can find it on Amazon. You might also check your local library. I don't know about Australia and its policy on progesterone. You might check your local health food store. You could probably find it online.
Here is one resource for online progesterone cream:
http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-progesterone_cream.htm
This is the brand I use. I think this company will ship to Australia, but I couldn't find the shipping cost. I know some of the women on this board are from Australia and they could probably tell you some better sources.
As far as the BCP I would stay off of it until you clear up the estrogen problem. BCP contains artificial progesterone which will block your receptors from the natural progesterone. You will also get more estrogen from the BCP and you don't need that right now for sure.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Babe
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 29 2008, 2:45 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Thanks for your advice, I was wondering what are the side effects from the Vitex? I've checked out the link you gave me, the progesterone cream is not expensive but the shipping is too over priced, US $41 shipment to Australia, I think I better do a search and see if the progesterone cream available in Australia.
How long have you been using the progesterone cream? How soon did you see result? How many cup have you gained?
Sorry if I asked to much.
Babe
waxingmoon
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 29 2008, 4:33 PM
Hi Babe,
As far as vitex, there are generally no reported negative side effects. There is always the possibility that we might have an allergy to some herb, but that is very unlikely. Some people report an increase in estrogen symptoms when they first take vitex. These symptoms seem to pass after continuous use and the full effect of vitex is after about 3 months of continuous use.
I have used both vitex and progesterone cream. I used vitex off an on for as long as 9 months straight over a period of about a year and a half. I am not currently taking it because I changed my program to include goat's rue, a galactogogue which requires prolactin to work (vitex lowers prolactin).
I have used progesterone off and on since September 2006. I have used various amounts - the exact details can be found in my program page. I am still using progesterone to combat my estrogen dominance. My symptoms are much less than they were when I first started. I do not consider progesterone cream a necessity for NBE for most people, in fact I doubt most would find it very helpful for breast size at all.
It did seem to help me however. As you will read in my program page my starting size was much, much less than most here doing NBE. I definitely had a major hormone imbalance and have had it most of my life. Because I did not get the needed hormones when my breasts were first developing, they did not develop. I believe I did not have enough active estrogen receptors in my breasts and this is how progesterone cream has helped me with NBE.
So, my starting size was... 34aaaa or something miserable like that. My current size is a 34b (it is a small B, but the A cups are way too tight now). I am not stopping yet... mostly because I really wonder what a C cup will look like on me.
It has been a long road of very slow progress. I have had to change my program to find what would suit my very particular situation and I caution everyone to do the same. NBE is not a one program fits everyone kind of thing. I really doubt my program would be suitable for anyone else unless they had my weird hormone imbalance to begin with.
I hope you are able to find progesterone cream in Australia. The vitex is a reasonable alternative and you will get some help from it. You might be able to find a sympathetic doctor who treats estrogen dominance and would proscribe progesterone cream if you cannot find it otherwise.
Good luck in your journey,
waxingmoon
Babe
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
July 1 2008, 8:01 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Congrats to your progress, from aaaaa to a B cup is awesome, even it's a long journey, but it's worth it, I'm still a sad A cup.
Thanks for all of your advice, I will give vitex a shot soon, hopefully will have some good news to report, thanks again.
Babe
me
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How much Vitax
July 1 2008, 5:51 PM
I'm going to start there and I'm wondering how much to take? I'm also doing massage for starters.
waxingmoon
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Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
July 1 2008, 6:33 PM
Hi Me,
The best idea with vitex is to take it as the label directs. There is a difference in potency between herb capsules and extract capsules, but the label will indicate what is the proper dosage for each.
Massage is a great idea while you are getting your hormones under control and some have grown through massage methods alone.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
June 26 2008 at 11:34 AM Babe (no login)
Hi waxingmoon
I did the online hormone test again, now I understand why I've put on so much weight since I've started NBE because I have excess estrogen. Now, I'm doing a liver cleanse, because I'm trying to lose that 3kg I've put on, but still taking PM cos I'm hoping my body will respond better to PM, however I think my weight keep going up, should I stop taking PM? What herbs should I take?
Here are my personal details and programme: Asian, 29, 155cm, my starting weight was 42kg now almost 45kg. My NBE project began 3 months ago, massage 2 times daily, I took pure PM 500mg x2 daily for 2 months, have gained 1.5kg but no boob growth and menstrual is messed up, a month ago I've added calcium then fenugreek, EPO, Omega and Ginkgo, still no result and I've gained an other 0.5kg, therefore I off everything (except PM) and doing a liver cleanse. I really don't know what I should do next after the cleanse.
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 26 2008, 10:21 PM
Hi Babe,
The PM you are taking is a very potent estrogenic herb. It is probably not helping your estrogen excess and may be giving you more symptoms.
I would suggest dropping the PM completely and continuing the liver cleanse. You could then restart with support for your progesterone to balance all that excess estrogen. Vitex is an herb that will promote the production of progesterone. You could also use natural progesterone cream.
A good reference to your issue is the book by Dr. John Lee: 'What your doctor may not tell you about premenopause'. I have said it before and I will say it again - too bad he gave the book that title because younger women think it does not apply to them. In actuality it is an enormously helpful reference for balancing estrogen and progesterone as well as how to effectively and safely use progesterone cream.
I hope this is some help to you. Feel free to ask any more questions if you like. I will try and help you as best I can.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Babe
(no login)
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 27 2008, 6:57 AM
Waxingmoon, thank you so much for your help, your info is very helpful, I am greatly appreciated.
I think the PM has caused the excess estrogen...very disappointed PM doesn't work for me. I was wondering should I continue to take EPO, Omega, Ginkgo & Multivitamin for woman? Can I combine Vitex with those supplements? As I have spent lots of money this 3 months, I really hate to waste money by throwing them in the bin.
I also experienced messed up periods since I've started PM, I was wondering does Vitex helps with irregular periods? I off the BC pills since my NBE journey begin, should I stay off BC pills while I'm on Vitex?
Where can I purchase the book by Dr. John Lee? And where can I buy progesterone cream? I live in Australia, many things are not available in this country.
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 27 2008, 3:01 PM
Hi Babe,
The EPO, Omega, Ginko and multivitamin should be fine and you can take those with the vitex. One of the common effects of vitex is that it does regulate your period. However, the full effect of vitex might not be felt for 3 months and for some there is a slight worsening of symptoms when taking vitex initially. It is still worth it though.
As far as the book, you can find it on Amazon. You might also check your local library. I don't know about Australia and its policy on progesterone. You might check your local health food store. You could probably find it online.
Here is one resource for online progesterone cream:
http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/now-progesterone_cream.htm
This is the brand I use. I think this company will ship to Australia, but I couldn't find the shipping cost. I know some of the women on this board are from Australia and they could probably tell you some better sources.
As far as the BCP I would stay off of it until you clear up the estrogen problem. BCP contains artificial progesterone which will block your receptors from the natural progesterone. You will also get more estrogen from the BCP and you don't need that right now for sure.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon
Babe
(no login)
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 29 2008, 2:45 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Thanks for your advice, I was wondering what are the side effects from the Vitex? I've checked out the link you gave me, the progesterone cream is not expensive but the shipping is too over priced, US $41 shipment to Australia, I think I better do a search and see if the progesterone cream available in Australia.
How long have you been using the progesterone cream? How soon did you see result? How many cup have you gained?
Sorry if I asked to much.
Babe
waxingmoon
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SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
June 29 2008, 4:33 PM
Hi Babe,
As far as vitex, there are generally no reported negative side effects. There is always the possibility that we might have an allergy to some herb, but that is very unlikely. Some people report an increase in estrogen symptoms when they first take vitex. These symptoms seem to pass after continuous use and the full effect of vitex is after about 3 months of continuous use.
I have used both vitex and progesterone cream. I used vitex off an on for as long as 9 months straight over a period of about a year and a half. I am not currently taking it because I changed my program to include goat's rue, a galactogogue which requires prolactin to work (vitex lowers prolactin).
I have used progesterone off and on since September 2006. I have used various amounts - the exact details can be found in my program page. I am still using progesterone to combat my estrogen dominance. My symptoms are much less than they were when I first started. I do not consider progesterone cream a necessity for NBE for most people, in fact I doubt most would find it very helpful for breast size at all.
It did seem to help me however. As you will read in my program page my starting size was much, much less than most here doing NBE. I definitely had a major hormone imbalance and have had it most of my life. Because I did not get the needed hormones when my breasts were first developing, they did not develop. I believe I did not have enough active estrogen receptors in my breasts and this is how progesterone cream has helped me with NBE.
So, my starting size was... 34aaaa or something miserable like that. My current size is a 34b (it is a small B, but the A cups are way too tight now). I am not stopping yet... mostly because I really wonder what a C cup will look like on me.
It has been a long road of very slow progress. I have had to change my program to find what would suit my very particular situation and I caution everyone to do the same. NBE is not a one program fits everyone kind of thing. I really doubt my program would be suitable for anyone else unless they had my weird hormone imbalance to begin with.
I hope you are able to find progesterone cream in Australia. The vitex is a reasonable alternative and you will get some help from it. You might be able to find a sympathetic doctor who treats estrogen dominance and would proscribe progesterone cream if you cannot find it otherwise.
Good luck in your journey,
waxingmoon
Babe
(no login)
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
July 1 2008, 8:01 AM
Hi Waxingmoon
Congrats to your progress, from aaaaa to a B cup is awesome, even it's a long journey, but it's worth it, I'm still a sad A cup.
Thanks for all of your advice, I will give vitex a shot soon, hopefully will have some good news to report, thanks again.
Babe
me
(Login ssunflower)
How much Vitax
July 1 2008, 5:51 PM
I'm going to start there and I'm wondering how much to take? I'm also doing massage for starters.
waxingmoon
(Login waxingmoon)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: To waxingmoon - Hormone questions
July 1 2008, 6:33 PM
Hi Me,
The best idea with vitex is to take it as the label directs. There is a difference in potency between herb capsules and extract capsules, but the label will indicate what is the proper dosage for each.
Massage is a great idea while you are getting your hormones under control and some have grown through massage methods alone.
Best wishes,
waxingmoon