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Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006 at 11:41 AM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Just thinking are massages necessary? Everyday is a breast experiment day for me.
I read on this forum that we massage to stimulate prolactin, but would nipple manipulation (squeezing your nipples) be more effective than rubbing on your breasts.
I also find exercising brings more blood to the chest region than massaging, for instance doing pushups will force blood into the chest region.
I did ten push ups (I am such a wimp) and my chest was sore for like 3 days...I did see a slight improvement in the way my chest and breast area looked (I am one of those lucky people whose body reacts quickly to stimulus and change)
I think the lymphatic tissue massage and brushing techniques are great because they are very, very, very gentle.
My concern with massaging is that itâs making my breast really, really soft, I have very soft breasts to begin with and massaging them is literally turning them into liquid.
I have read that vigorous massage breaks the irregular protein structure in the breasts...its those protein structures that give breasts their firm texture.
Helen
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 3:41 PM
Hi Wsdm, you gave some very good points for thinking, thanks
Stimulating prolactin yes involves the nipples, and I've come across methods involving just nipple stimulation...mainly applying mild pressure while moving your fingers in certain directions around the aerola...
Now any other kind of breast massage I tend to think is purely for improving blood circulation and stimulating lymph flow to prevent toxins from accumulating in the breast tissue. Keeping a healthy breast tissue will in turn ensure all hormonal functions there will take place as they should, hopefully encouraging the growth we all wish for...
In general massage terms, more vigorous body massage quickens the circulation and aids the muscles in disposing of accumulated waste products.
In my opinion there's no reason for the breast massage to be vigorous, it's too sensitive of an area to be harsh with. We want breasts that if they feel sore, they do due to NBE not vigorous massage. Any massage article I have read suggests LIGHT pressure, applied with the full palm or the underside of the fingers. For lymphatic drainage, it takes very little pressure (think of "the weight of a sheet of paper") to move lymph fluid through breast tissue. And surely for sensitive areas such as breasts, light pressure should be more than enough to quicken circulation too.
At some point I wondered can rigorous massage actually contradict what we want to achieve, by burning the fat in the breasts?...got scared there for a bit... As we know, some methods of body massage cause the muscles to contract and thus exercise them when movement of the entire body is not possible or desirable, as in illness or paralysis. However, there is no evidence that massage can reduce or alter fat or adipose tissue (Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 2005)
The above re-assures me, but still I'd rather be on the safe side, so I prefer to apply light pressure while breast massaging.
And you are right to say that excercise brings blood to the chest region and can indeed improve considerably the way it looks. So this is another way to improve circulation and appearance, BUT you have to be careful with this as well and do not overdo it with chest excercises, as far as the fat burning issue is concerned, some chest excercises twice-3 times a week should be fine but a daily routine can cause fat burning and I tend to consider it very risky while on NBE.
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* Happy Growing! *
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Helen xx
SugarQ
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 4:58 PM
you dont need to massage your breasts vigerousely. i dont know if squeezing would work the same as massaging but the breast stimulating massage us sucking. at least as strong as a baby's suckle. you dont need to massage at all but it does help alot of women. if the massage makes you too sore then you are definatly going too rough.
BJ
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 7:01 PM
I definately agree. Massage should not be vigorous it should be gentle and just enough to stimulate prolactin and get the blood flowing good in your breasts.
Moon
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 8:44 PM
From what I know, neither chest excercise or massage could directly burn breast fat tissue. I agree that gentle massage is better, in fact, I think I've been doing it a bit to vigorously myself, my boobs hurt when I massage from the previous massage, lol, need to be less eager to finally grow.
fengshui
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June 17 2006, 12:00 AM
I think massage is very important, i've been eatting boobie food all my life (i just always loved it, didn't know it was boobie friendly) never had boobs. and i also did some gentle massages for about 4 months w/ boobie food when i started NBE, all i got was better shape and a little more fullness. i finally got great result was when i learned in Taiwan's forum that we needed to do firm massage to break the "blockage" for "chi" to flow, 2 months faithfully massage, boobie food and boost from borage oil, i gained a cup size.
Moon
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 9:23 AM
Hm, so what is better now, firm or gentle?? I'm wondering, is it really necessary to do as much as 360 rotations with each massage? My arms hurt like hell before I'm done with that, lol.
ash
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 8:37 PM
hi
i agree that massage is important. I think massage is one of the reasons mine seem better ( not larger tho!!) I also think it makes us more aware of our boobs. ie shape, feel, lumps and bumps. and that can only be good. Your right tho so many rotations made me wonder if it was my boobs i was trying to grow or my biceps. lol
x
fengshui
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 10:46 PM
oh, the massage i did or do is not 360 rotations "chi" massage. i did pressure points massage.
wsdm
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 18 2006, 1:51 AM
Since I have had the opportunity to travel the world I have an appreciation for different philosophies find out they are all the same anyway
Now the concept of chi is acceptable to me however not all boobs are the same and not everyone is starting at an A cup.
Now I understand if you are an A cup but your genetic code allows for you to actually be a D cup then yes there is a blockage of chi, something is blocking proper translation and flow in your body, and perhaps opening up those channels in the breast may be it.
Now sometimes lack of breast growth has something to do with an imbalance in another region of the body, which indirectly affects the breasts, such as imbalances or trouble with the digestive tract, the liver or kidney or even in the mind. Massaging the breasts to death will not release the flow because the source of the blockage may be elsewhere.
My second point is that not everyone on the board is starting from the same place, meaning a perky A or B cup, I find those types of breast that seem to defy gravity and maintain there shape possess a higher amount of protein/collagen than someone with softer pear shaped breasts, loosening up those protein strands may help the A cup woman but I am not sure it will help breasts that have experienced childbirth breastfeeding and have lost some elasticity.
I also know that ladies with implants massage their breasts to keep the implants from turning into rocks, I also know tense muscles or tension in the body can be loosened up with massaging.
My point is one of the effects of massaging is to loosen up tissue.
Now Some women already have really soft breasts think Scarlet Johansson, older Marylyn Monroe even drew Barrymore; loosening up the already limited collagen/protein supported tissue I suspect, not entirely sure, could cause more drooping. I think for these types of breasts stimulation is key but perhaps nerve stimulation.
I think there are different types of breast that require different massage remedies, different types of women that require different NBE methods to achieve the same goal.
I agree with you fengshui that some type of massaging is important, and you are living proof that massaging works, but what type?
I am for acupuncture and pressure point massages, but the vigorous massaging on certain types of breasts I am not sure is necessary.
Anonymous
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June 26 2006, 2:33 PM
For drummachic ; )
wsdm
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Re: Are massages necessary?
June 28 2006, 12:18 AM
adding some more info to the pot...
if you go to this picture:
http://www.breastcancersource.com/gUserFiles/breastDev_fig_3.gif
you see the threads called coopers ligaments attached to the fascia and that is attached to the muscle
that entire structure holds up the breasts.
I am worried that vigorous massaging could break/damage that delicate connective tissue especially since they have been stretched during pregnancy.
June 16 2006 at 11:41 AM wsdm (Login wsdm)
Just thinking are massages necessary? Everyday is a breast experiment day for me.
I read on this forum that we massage to stimulate prolactin, but would nipple manipulation (squeezing your nipples) be more effective than rubbing on your breasts.
I also find exercising brings more blood to the chest region than massaging, for instance doing pushups will force blood into the chest region.
I did ten push ups (I am such a wimp) and my chest was sore for like 3 days...I did see a slight improvement in the way my chest and breast area looked (I am one of those lucky people whose body reacts quickly to stimulus and change)
I think the lymphatic tissue massage and brushing techniques are great because they are very, very, very gentle.
My concern with massaging is that itâs making my breast really, really soft, I have very soft breasts to begin with and massaging them is literally turning them into liquid.
I have read that vigorous massage breaks the irregular protein structure in the breasts...its those protein structures that give breasts their firm texture.
Helen
(Login Helen_N)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 3:41 PM
Hi Wsdm, you gave some very good points for thinking, thanks
Stimulating prolactin yes involves the nipples, and I've come across methods involving just nipple stimulation...mainly applying mild pressure while moving your fingers in certain directions around the aerola...
Now any other kind of breast massage I tend to think is purely for improving blood circulation and stimulating lymph flow to prevent toxins from accumulating in the breast tissue. Keeping a healthy breast tissue will in turn ensure all hormonal functions there will take place as they should, hopefully encouraging the growth we all wish for...
In general massage terms, more vigorous body massage quickens the circulation and aids the muscles in disposing of accumulated waste products.
In my opinion there's no reason for the breast massage to be vigorous, it's too sensitive of an area to be harsh with. We want breasts that if they feel sore, they do due to NBE not vigorous massage. Any massage article I have read suggests LIGHT pressure, applied with the full palm or the underside of the fingers. For lymphatic drainage, it takes very little pressure (think of "the weight of a sheet of paper") to move lymph fluid through breast tissue. And surely for sensitive areas such as breasts, light pressure should be more than enough to quicken circulation too.
At some point I wondered can rigorous massage actually contradict what we want to achieve, by burning the fat in the breasts?...got scared there for a bit... As we know, some methods of body massage cause the muscles to contract and thus exercise them when movement of the entire body is not possible or desirable, as in illness or paralysis. However, there is no evidence that massage can reduce or alter fat or adipose tissue (Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 2005)
The above re-assures me, but still I'd rather be on the safe side, so I prefer to apply light pressure while breast massaging.
And you are right to say that excercise brings blood to the chest region and can indeed improve considerably the way it looks. So this is another way to improve circulation and appearance, BUT you have to be careful with this as well and do not overdo it with chest excercises, as far as the fat burning issue is concerned, some chest excercises twice-3 times a week should be fine but a daily routine can cause fat burning and I tend to consider it very risky while on NBE.
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
* Happy Growing! *
-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-
Helen xx
SugarQ
(Login SugarQ)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 4:58 PM
you dont need to massage your breasts vigerousely. i dont know if squeezing would work the same as massaging but the breast stimulating massage us sucking. at least as strong as a baby's suckle. you dont need to massage at all but it does help alot of women. if the massage makes you too sore then you are definatly going too rough.
BJ
(Login SmallGurl)
EVE MEMBERS
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 7:01 PM
I definately agree. Massage should not be vigorous it should be gentle and just enough to stimulate prolactin and get the blood flowing good in your breasts.
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 16 2006, 8:44 PM
From what I know, neither chest excercise or massage could directly burn breast fat tissue. I agree that gentle massage is better, in fact, I think I've been doing it a bit to vigorously myself, my boobs hurt when I massage from the previous massage, lol, need to be less eager to finally grow.
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
IMHO~~
June 17 2006, 12:00 AM
I think massage is very important, i've been eatting boobie food all my life (i just always loved it, didn't know it was boobie friendly) never had boobs. and i also did some gentle massages for about 4 months w/ boobie food when i started NBE, all i got was better shape and a little more fullness. i finally got great result was when i learned in Taiwan's forum that we needed to do firm massage to break the "blockage" for "chi" to flow, 2 months faithfully massage, boobie food and boost from borage oil, i gained a cup size.
Moon
(Login -Moon-)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 9:23 AM
Hm, so what is better now, firm or gentle?? I'm wondering, is it really necessary to do as much as 360 rotations with each massage? My arms hurt like hell before I'm done with that, lol.
ash
(no login)
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 8:37 PM
hi
i agree that massage is important. I think massage is one of the reasons mine seem better ( not larger tho!!) I also think it makes us more aware of our boobs. ie shape, feel, lumps and bumps. and that can only be good. Your right tho so many rotations made me wonder if it was my boobs i was trying to grow or my biceps. lol
x
fengshui
(Login fengshuiTW)
SENIOR MEMBER
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 17 2006, 10:46 PM
oh, the massage i did or do is not 360 rotations "chi" massage. i did pressure points massage.
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 18 2006, 1:51 AM
Since I have had the opportunity to travel the world I have an appreciation for different philosophies find out they are all the same anyway
Now the concept of chi is acceptable to me however not all boobs are the same and not everyone is starting at an A cup.
Now I understand if you are an A cup but your genetic code allows for you to actually be a D cup then yes there is a blockage of chi, something is blocking proper translation and flow in your body, and perhaps opening up those channels in the breast may be it.
Now sometimes lack of breast growth has something to do with an imbalance in another region of the body, which indirectly affects the breasts, such as imbalances or trouble with the digestive tract, the liver or kidney or even in the mind. Massaging the breasts to death will not release the flow because the source of the blockage may be elsewhere.
My second point is that not everyone on the board is starting from the same place, meaning a perky A or B cup, I find those types of breast that seem to defy gravity and maintain there shape possess a higher amount of protein/collagen than someone with softer pear shaped breasts, loosening up those protein strands may help the A cup woman but I am not sure it will help breasts that have experienced childbirth breastfeeding and have lost some elasticity.
I also know that ladies with implants massage their breasts to keep the implants from turning into rocks, I also know tense muscles or tension in the body can be loosened up with massaging.
My point is one of the effects of massaging is to loosen up tissue.
Now Some women already have really soft breasts think Scarlet Johansson, older Marylyn Monroe even drew Barrymore; loosening up the already limited collagen/protein supported tissue I suspect, not entirely sure, could cause more drooping. I think for these types of breasts stimulation is key but perhaps nerve stimulation.
I think there are different types of breast that require different massage remedies, different types of women that require different NBE methods to achieve the same goal.
I agree with you fengshui that some type of massaging is important, and you are living proof that massaging works, but what type?
I am for acupuncture and pressure point massages, but the vigorous massaging on certain types of breasts I am not sure is necessary.
Anonymous
(Login Helen_N)
EVE MEMBERS
BUMP!
June 26 2006, 2:33 PM
For drummachic ; )
wsdm
(Login wsdm)
Re: Are massages necessary?
June 28 2006, 12:18 AM
adding some more info to the pot...
if you go to this picture:
http://www.breastcancersource.com/gUserFiles/breastDev_fig_3.gif
you see the threads called coopers ligaments attached to the fascia and that is attached to the muscle
that entire structure holds up the breasts.
I am worried that vigorous massaging could break/damage that delicate connective tissue especially since they have been stretched during pregnancy.