[DreamKist]

I personally never saw any growth with any supplemental methods for any of the years I took them, including fenugreek. Noogleberry however has stood up to the test of time. Obviously the body sheds fat wherever it wants but if you Noogle while getting lean then you shouldn't have any problems. At the very least it should offset the loss you would end up having due to natural fat-loss processes.... although as far as permanence goes, My Noogle growth has not left me.

I hope this helps a bit.