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Airlock system vs brava?
July 29 2007 at 6:00 AM firmemup (no login)
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Question for the more experienced NBE ladies... I have been reading posts for a while now trying to figure out what's the best course of action.
BO - safety very questionable, great results, simple routine
Herbs - perhaps safe but no lasting results, complicated routine
Machines - reportedly safe, good results, time-consuming routine, lasting results, very $$$
I noticed there are alternatives to Brava. Some reported that they're great, others, not so great.
On Ebay, there's an airlock system that supposedly can be used with Brava cups and your own sports bra. Has anyone tried this system, and had good results? Seems like a much less expensive method, but also seems like it would take the same amount of time and diligence.
I am considering buying one of the refurbished Bravas, but don't want to end up spending $$$ if the airlock would do the same, in less time.
Thank you so much!
Author Reply
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 29 2007, 8:11 AM
Personally I would keep BO as a very last resort (in fact I would rather with for macrolane / celution), in terms of herbs if you buy a commercial product (most popular are naturesday or wonderup) it is a simple routine but more expensive than sparate herbs, though also less tablets to swallow. Other people on the PM board take st.herb.
Machines, I am using Brava with a smartbox which is the most expensive as if you consider the theory behind it when they use tissue expansion to create bone or skin tissue they apply the force all the time so I thought long Brava sessions were more likely to cause growth than bravabreast / bosom beauty, although others have given some good and some bad reports to all 3.
If you want to use an airlock making it yourself is v v cheap, you need 3 small pieces of 6mm (1/4 inch) fish tank tubing, a T connector and a one-way valve, attach the bits to make a T shape, attach the two horizontal arms to the domes, suck the air out with your mouth and stick the valve in the vetical tube. The advantage of having the smartbox is it has an alarm if you lose suction to stop you missing a night if the domes fall off when you're sleeping. But some people prefer the airlock as you get more suction.
Carolyn
(no login) What is BO? July 29 2007, 9:04 AM
Hi ladies...you mentioned BO...what is that?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 29 2007, 6:11 PM
BO is Bovine Ovary, it has real hormones in it as it is actually dried cows' ovary so theoretically should work better than herbs but the thought of it is quite nasty and theoretically there is a BSE risk although the companies that make it say it comes from countries that don't have BSE. Have a look at the Bovine Ovary forum, I think it is supposed to be quite successful if you're not fussy about what's in it, most people are either using Bountiful Breast (which is expensive) or DNE (cheaper) but I think the ingredients are the same.
Lost Sheep
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 1:52 AM
BO did not work for me and i was on it for 6 months. all i got was acne and a yeast infection
it doesnt work for everyone and routines can get very complicated.
Carolyn
(no login) Thanks for the info July 30 2007, 6:52 AM
Thank you for sharing that bit of information...don't think I will try BO after all. I have suffered with acne for many years and have just now gotten it under control. BO would probably start the cycle all over again!
Natasha
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 8:43 AM
I would like to know where the original poster gets her information from. She claims that herbs have no lasting results, but that is clearly contrary to the experience of women in this forum. She also claims that machines have good results but even Brava's own pictures show only very modest improvements. She also claims that machines have lasting results, but that definitely didn't happen in my case, because after stopping Brava I lost all my results within a few weeks. Perhaps she could share with us what the sources of her information are?
lexy
(no login) to natasha July 30 2007, 4:00 PM
did you lose the results gradually? cause few girls say thatwhat they saw after about 24 hours is what they got. how long did you wear brava?
Natasha
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 8:10 PM
As best I can remember, I used Brava for about 5 months. After I stopped using it the results lasted well for 2 or 3 weeks, but after that they started seeping away. It didn't just disappear overnight.
firmemup
(no login) The info requested Natasha July 31 2007, 2:43 AM
After asking many, many women if they're results with herbs lasted, not one replied positively. Yes, I noted Eve's pictures - but she was on a very complex program for THREE solid years... I've emailed a number of women and read many, many posts. Natasha, if you know of someone who used herbs alone and had lasting results (kept it > 6 months later w/o taking more), please post.
The women I emailed who used brava said they're results did last.
That's where the info came from.
lexy
(no login) the rpoblem with brava... July 31 2007, 3:09 AM
...is that you don't only grow breast tissue you grow fat too. so the less breast tissue you have the smaller the chances to keep it since fat comes and goes.
women are cursed to keep the fat in the lower body areas and the first area to lose fat is the chest unfortunately. so you can lose just a lil weight and not even notice it and the fat on the boobs is gone since it's not much anyway.
i have some breast tissue and i plan to use brava for as long as it takes to double it at least and maybe i'll keep some. i got used to it already and if i make it thru the summer it should be way easyer after that.
my opinion on herbs as someone who has tryed it for 3 weeks is that it gives ur body the same quantity of estrogens as it normally produces before ur period and that's how the boobs swell. but to actually grow, you should ingest the same quantity as ur body used to roduce during puberty. and that's a lot. personally i don't think it's safe
it should be posible, after all plenty of trans-sexuals grew breasts with hormonal treatment, but that's really not worth the risk.
i read a lot of good things about PM lately and i might add that to brava in a few weeks after i make a test to see if i kepp anything in about 48 hours. Brava sais i'll lose 2 weeks but i think having at least some hope or knowing that i didn't keep anything is worth the cost. and if PM won't help my boobs, at least i might stop losing hair. i read it works well in that direction.
i was thinking lately how men who wanna build muscle add lots of stuff to their gym program cause otherwise their results would be modest. and with what i know, pumping iron concentrates blood fows in the areas ur working on, and that plus a rich diet helps you grow new muscle tissue.
Brava does that too, that's why the boobs are redish when you take it off. so adding proteins and even herbs to it could help. just a thought....
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Lexy..... August 1 2007, 9:49 AM
Do you mean that Brava will give you fat if you've got fat? I've lost about 25 lbs and gone from v full 34A (never tried on a B) to probably 32A (have 32B bras but when I tried an A wasn't exactly huge!) so I assume what I have left is mainly breast tissue, does this mean I will grow more actual breast tissue than fat deposits?
Shelly
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 2:22 PM
If you lost weight you probably still have the empty fat cells. I don't know if fat cells actually go away or just shrink. You will probably grow both. I think the Brava website says you grow it in proportion to what you already have so you must be adding fat cells and breast tissue.
Also about the airlock, it is interesting how you can make your own homemade version (very creative women out there). Do you think it's safe to use long term or do you think it's better to use only as a backup. I am considering buying the whole Brava system although it's quite a bit of money and then making the manual tubing with the valve as a backup if the smartbox fails. I would just hate to use too much pressure manually and damage my skin and setback my progress. What do those of you who have done both think? It also sounds like people say you can't buy anything from Brava if you don't buy the whole system. You mean they won't even let you order any of the accessories or domes from them?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 2:46 PM
You can feel how much suction you are applying so you know when to stop, if you have the smartbox too obviously you can compare the slightly tight feeling that creates to the ripping-your-nipples-off feeling with the airlock if you're overdoing it. I've overdone it twice and got crescent shaped hickey-like bruises along where the top of the domes sit near my armpits which take about a week to fade but one lady did have a lot of problems with too much suction. Most other people seem to have tried both and the amount of suction you can stand seems safe. You can take a lot more and still be comfortable and not bruise if you fill the domes with water but you can only do this with an airlock as it would ruin the smartbox.
lexy
(Login lexy1983) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 3:33 PM
i think what the smartbox gives you if fine. i personally press the domes against me to let it suck out a bit more air and it feels perfect. still, during the day i wear my home made airlock to save the smartbox from wearing out too fast and also if i don't have to cary the smartbox around i can the domes without the bra and that feels much better during the summer heat.
but still i regulate the pressure with the smartbox before putting on the airlock. and i do that from time to time since as i swell the pressure decreases.
i would personally go with the brava. the cheappest you can buy it new is $645 on ebay from an authorised seller.
about the fat issue... brava is supose to made the cells multiply so you'll multyply both breast and fat tissue. brava sais, that if you lost weight and lost ur boobs you have better chances for a better result
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 4:01 PM
Here's hoping (and praying, and airlocking and swalloing tabs and using PM cream!).
Don't you find you need more suction than the smartbox gives if you're going to do more than lie on your back? I need to suck them on quite tight if I'm going to move about but then I'm v v luvky not to have trouble getting a seal as I'm technically too small underbust for the narrow domes.
Fennel Fairy
(Login fennelfairy)
SENIOR MEMBER Hey Firmemup... August 2 2007, 9:34 PM
Herbs do work and the gains are permanent. JellyDee went from an A-cup to an E-cup on herbs in about a year. I started out with herbs and went from an A to a B, continued with BO and went on to a C-cup. I've kept it all and still growing. Herbs seemed to work better for me so I will go back on them after my bottles of BO are finished. Seems like you didn't read enough posts or emailed the wrong people. Some people take herbs and massage a lot, the herbs might not work for them but the massage will make them swell temporarily and they think they "grow". Then they lose it all and say that the herbs only give temporary gains when in fact they never worked for the person in the first place. Some people just don't grow whatever they try.
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 3 2007, 8:07 PM
I think all these things have a better chance of working if either you failed to fulfill your genetic potential due to bad diet or a hormonal imbalance or if you are replacing lost boobs after weight loss / breastfeeding, the people who seem to find it hardest are those who come from a family of very slim people with small boobs and have low BMI.
Dolly
(no login) Air Lock August 11 2007, 12:00 PM
About the Air Lock...
I have been a Brava user for many ? weeks, ordered through Brava. And unfortunately, also ordered the Air Lock off of Ebay. I spent $75 for it. Unfortunate, I say because the exact unit she sold me I found in the "fish aquarium" department at WalMart last week for less than $2- tubing was a little more. I am just a little upset about my foolishness, gullibility, and desperate nature. And all to just have my clothes FIT.
Ladies, the extra suction IS great! Cuts down on the wear time. However, don't spend $$ until you're sure at what you're getting. Believe me, the clerk at WalMart will have no clue that you will be using the valve on your domes to grow boobs.
Incidentally, I had broken my foot a week into my using Brava. I learned through this forum a few weeks ago that Motrin, an anti-inflamatory, halts the growth- - duh. Got rid of my swelling. I was wondering after so long why the swelling went down so fast. I guess that wasn't too bright on my part. Anyway, with Tylenol, I like the results better. Too bad I lost so many weeks. Don't you think Brava should have mentioned the anti-infamatory warning when I told them my situation?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 11 2007, 6:36 PM
I know nothing about aquariums so I took the Brava tubing (not the domes!) into the aquarium supply store and said it was part of a facial sauna - they didn't ask any questions and I was able to check that I got the right size tubing.
July 29 2007 at 6:00 AM firmemup (no login)
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Question for the more experienced NBE ladies... I have been reading posts for a while now trying to figure out what's the best course of action.
BO - safety very questionable, great results, simple routine
Herbs - perhaps safe but no lasting results, complicated routine
Machines - reportedly safe, good results, time-consuming routine, lasting results, very $$$
I noticed there are alternatives to Brava. Some reported that they're great, others, not so great.
On Ebay, there's an airlock system that supposedly can be used with Brava cups and your own sports bra. Has anyone tried this system, and had good results? Seems like a much less expensive method, but also seems like it would take the same amount of time and diligence.
I am considering buying one of the refurbished Bravas, but don't want to end up spending $$$ if the airlock would do the same, in less time.
Thank you so much!
Author Reply
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 29 2007, 8:11 AM
Personally I would keep BO as a very last resort (in fact I would rather with for macrolane / celution), in terms of herbs if you buy a commercial product (most popular are naturesday or wonderup) it is a simple routine but more expensive than sparate herbs, though also less tablets to swallow. Other people on the PM board take st.herb.
Machines, I am using Brava with a smartbox which is the most expensive as if you consider the theory behind it when they use tissue expansion to create bone or skin tissue they apply the force all the time so I thought long Brava sessions were more likely to cause growth than bravabreast / bosom beauty, although others have given some good and some bad reports to all 3.
If you want to use an airlock making it yourself is v v cheap, you need 3 small pieces of 6mm (1/4 inch) fish tank tubing, a T connector and a one-way valve, attach the bits to make a T shape, attach the two horizontal arms to the domes, suck the air out with your mouth and stick the valve in the vetical tube. The advantage of having the smartbox is it has an alarm if you lose suction to stop you missing a night if the domes fall off when you're sleeping. But some people prefer the airlock as you get more suction.
Carolyn
(no login) What is BO? July 29 2007, 9:04 AM
Hi ladies...you mentioned BO...what is that?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 29 2007, 6:11 PM
BO is Bovine Ovary, it has real hormones in it as it is actually dried cows' ovary so theoretically should work better than herbs but the thought of it is quite nasty and theoretically there is a BSE risk although the companies that make it say it comes from countries that don't have BSE. Have a look at the Bovine Ovary forum, I think it is supposed to be quite successful if you're not fussy about what's in it, most people are either using Bountiful Breast (which is expensive) or DNE (cheaper) but I think the ingredients are the same.
Lost Sheep
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 1:52 AM
BO did not work for me and i was on it for 6 months. all i got was acne and a yeast infection
it doesnt work for everyone and routines can get very complicated.Carolyn
(no login) Thanks for the info July 30 2007, 6:52 AM
Thank you for sharing that bit of information...don't think I will try BO after all. I have suffered with acne for many years and have just now gotten it under control. BO would probably start the cycle all over again!
Natasha
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 8:43 AM
I would like to know where the original poster gets her information from. She claims that herbs have no lasting results, but that is clearly contrary to the experience of women in this forum. She also claims that machines have good results but even Brava's own pictures show only very modest improvements. She also claims that machines have lasting results, but that definitely didn't happen in my case, because after stopping Brava I lost all my results within a few weeks. Perhaps she could share with us what the sources of her information are?
lexy
(no login) to natasha July 30 2007, 4:00 PM
did you lose the results gradually? cause few girls say thatwhat they saw after about 24 hours is what they got. how long did you wear brava?
Natasha
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? July 30 2007, 8:10 PM
As best I can remember, I used Brava for about 5 months. After I stopped using it the results lasted well for 2 or 3 weeks, but after that they started seeping away. It didn't just disappear overnight.
firmemup
(no login) The info requested Natasha July 31 2007, 2:43 AM
After asking many, many women if they're results with herbs lasted, not one replied positively. Yes, I noted Eve's pictures - but she was on a very complex program for THREE solid years... I've emailed a number of women and read many, many posts. Natasha, if you know of someone who used herbs alone and had lasting results (kept it > 6 months later w/o taking more), please post.
The women I emailed who used brava said they're results did last.
That's where the info came from.
lexy
(no login) the rpoblem with brava... July 31 2007, 3:09 AM
...is that you don't only grow breast tissue you grow fat too. so the less breast tissue you have the smaller the chances to keep it since fat comes and goes.
women are cursed to keep the fat in the lower body areas and the first area to lose fat is the chest unfortunately. so you can lose just a lil weight and not even notice it and the fat on the boobs is gone since it's not much anyway.
i have some breast tissue and i plan to use brava for as long as it takes to double it at least and maybe i'll keep some. i got used to it already and if i make it thru the summer it should be way easyer after that.
my opinion on herbs as someone who has tryed it for 3 weeks is that it gives ur body the same quantity of estrogens as it normally produces before ur period and that's how the boobs swell. but to actually grow, you should ingest the same quantity as ur body used to roduce during puberty. and that's a lot. personally i don't think it's safe
it should be posible, after all plenty of trans-sexuals grew breasts with hormonal treatment, but that's really not worth the risk.
i read a lot of good things about PM lately and i might add that to brava in a few weeks after i make a test to see if i kepp anything in about 48 hours. Brava sais i'll lose 2 weeks but i think having at least some hope or knowing that i didn't keep anything is worth the cost. and if PM won't help my boobs, at least i might stop losing hair. i read it works well in that direction.
i was thinking lately how men who wanna build muscle add lots of stuff to their gym program cause otherwise their results would be modest. and with what i know, pumping iron concentrates blood fows in the areas ur working on, and that plus a rich diet helps you grow new muscle tissue.
Brava does that too, that's why the boobs are redish when you take it off. so adding proteins and even herbs to it could help. just a thought....
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Lexy..... August 1 2007, 9:49 AM
Do you mean that Brava will give you fat if you've got fat? I've lost about 25 lbs and gone from v full 34A (never tried on a B) to probably 32A (have 32B bras but when I tried an A wasn't exactly huge!) so I assume what I have left is mainly breast tissue, does this mean I will grow more actual breast tissue than fat deposits?
Shelly
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 2:22 PM
If you lost weight you probably still have the empty fat cells. I don't know if fat cells actually go away or just shrink. You will probably grow both. I think the Brava website says you grow it in proportion to what you already have so you must be adding fat cells and breast tissue.
Also about the airlock, it is interesting how you can make your own homemade version (very creative women out there). Do you think it's safe to use long term or do you think it's better to use only as a backup. I am considering buying the whole Brava system although it's quite a bit of money and then making the manual tubing with the valve as a backup if the smartbox fails. I would just hate to use too much pressure manually and damage my skin and setback my progress. What do those of you who have done both think? It also sounds like people say you can't buy anything from Brava if you don't buy the whole system. You mean they won't even let you order any of the accessories or domes from them?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 2:46 PM
You can feel how much suction you are applying so you know when to stop, if you have the smartbox too obviously you can compare the slightly tight feeling that creates to the ripping-your-nipples-off feeling with the airlock if you're overdoing it. I've overdone it twice and got crescent shaped hickey-like bruises along where the top of the domes sit near my armpits which take about a week to fade but one lady did have a lot of problems with too much suction. Most other people seem to have tried both and the amount of suction you can stand seems safe. You can take a lot more and still be comfortable and not bruise if you fill the domes with water but you can only do this with an airlock as it would ruin the smartbox.
lexy
(Login lexy1983) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 3:33 PM
i think what the smartbox gives you if fine. i personally press the domes against me to let it suck out a bit more air and it feels perfect. still, during the day i wear my home made airlock to save the smartbox from wearing out too fast and also if i don't have to cary the smartbox around i can the domes without the bra and that feels much better during the summer heat.
but still i regulate the pressure with the smartbox before putting on the airlock. and i do that from time to time since as i swell the pressure decreases.
i would personally go with the brava. the cheappest you can buy it new is $645 on ebay from an authorised seller.
about the fat issue... brava is supose to made the cells multiply so you'll multyply both breast and fat tissue. brava sais, that if you lost weight and lost ur boobs you have better chances for a better result
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 1 2007, 4:01 PM
Here's hoping (and praying, and airlocking and swalloing tabs and using PM cream!).
Don't you find you need more suction than the smartbox gives if you're going to do more than lie on your back? I need to suck them on quite tight if I'm going to move about but then I'm v v luvky not to have trouble getting a seal as I'm technically too small underbust for the narrow domes.
Fennel Fairy
(Login fennelfairy)
SENIOR MEMBER Hey Firmemup... August 2 2007, 9:34 PM
Herbs do work and the gains are permanent. JellyDee went from an A-cup to an E-cup on herbs in about a year. I started out with herbs and went from an A to a B, continued with BO and went on to a C-cup. I've kept it all and still growing. Herbs seemed to work better for me so I will go back on them after my bottles of BO are finished. Seems like you didn't read enough posts or emailed the wrong people. Some people take herbs and massage a lot, the herbs might not work for them but the massage will make them swell temporarily and they think they "grow". Then they lose it all and say that the herbs only give temporary gains when in fact they never worked for the person in the first place. Some people just don't grow whatever they try.
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 3 2007, 8:07 PM
I think all these things have a better chance of working if either you failed to fulfill your genetic potential due to bad diet or a hormonal imbalance or if you are replacing lost boobs after weight loss / breastfeeding, the people who seem to find it hardest are those who come from a family of very slim people with small boobs and have low BMI.
Dolly
(no login) Air Lock August 11 2007, 12:00 PM
About the Air Lock...
I have been a Brava user for many ? weeks, ordered through Brava. And unfortunately, also ordered the Air Lock off of Ebay. I spent $75 for it. Unfortunate, I say because the exact unit she sold me I found in the "fish aquarium" department at WalMart last week for less than $2- tubing was a little more. I am just a little upset about my foolishness, gullibility, and desperate nature. And all to just have my clothes FIT.
Ladies, the extra suction IS great! Cuts down on the wear time. However, don't spend $$ until you're sure at what you're getting. Believe me, the clerk at WalMart will have no clue that you will be using the valve on your domes to grow boobs.
Incidentally, I had broken my foot a week into my using Brava. I learned through this forum a few weeks ago that Motrin, an anti-inflamatory, halts the growth- - duh. Got rid of my swelling. I was wondering after so long why the swelling went down so fast. I guess that wasn't too bright on my part. Anyway, with Tylenol, I like the results better. Too bad I lost so many weeks. Don't you think Brava should have mentioned the anti-infamatory warning when I told them my situation?
Louise
(no login) Re: Airlock system vs brava? August 11 2007, 6:36 PM
I know nothing about aquariums so I took the Brava tubing (not the domes!) into the aquarium supply store and said it was part of a facial sauna - they didn't ask any questions and I was able to check that I got the right size tubing.