[tatapie]

Hi Tatapie and welcome to the forum!   

I think you're on the right track with your plan, but there are some things I would definitely change. 

During your follicular phase, don't take Saw Palmetto or Maca Root while you're taking PM. The reason being is PM is very potent and it works best when taken alone because other high phytoestrogens can interfere with its efficacy. So just stick to taking PM during follicular, and you can take PC, Saw Palmetto, and Maca together during luteal if you wish. The other items on your everyday list are fine for you to take whenever.

As far as PM effects, it's going to take a lot more than a week for you to notice any changes! I usually don't notice much of any change during follicular while I'm taking PM, it's only during Luteal that I notice my breast feels heavier and swells more, and by the next cycle after I've lost much of the "luteal swelling" and then I notice the real growth that's left over (but it's slow and gradual).

I'm not sure about Ainterol PM, because I've read so many mixed reviews. It concerns me that their capsules contain such high dosages of PM and everything I researched says that sticking with a lower dosage is more effective and better for overall health. I've read that it's because their PM isn't as effective, and therefore you need to take more of it, but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable taking anything more than 200mg of PM a day (if you're really petite/skinny I think 100 to 150 mg is enough, but I'm a little on the chunky side so I think 200mg is perfect for me). That said, I've definitely read threads of people who've had success with Ainterol, but if you don't see results after you finish the bottle, I would suggest trying a different brand with lower mg per capsules.

Another suggestion I have is to do the milk thistle cleanse while you're on your period. So maybe Day 1 of your period to Day 4 or to Day 6. That way you could solely focus on detoxing and not have your luteal or follicular herbs interefere. I detox from D1 to D6 and it's been working out great for me.
 
As far as dosage of vitex, definitely take small amounts and don't go overboard. I've read a lot of conflicting info on whether or not to cycle vitex, but I read that for best efficacy it shouldn't be cycled and a small amount should be taken everyday. You should also stop using vitex after 6 months because it loses efficacy. 

Your breasts are going to swell up a lot during luteal (this is called luteal swelling), but during your period you're going to lose a lot of that swelling. Don't worry, this is a normal process. Don't let the swelling confuse you into thinking it's "growth" and try not to get disappointed when the swelling disappears. Because of this, pick a measurement day when your breasts are naturally the smallest (typically this happens anywhere between Day 3 through Day 5, Mine occurs on Day 4 of my period). And each cycle measure your breasts on that day. Make sure that you include these measurements: over bust, bust, under bust, and leaning bust. This will help you determine your breast growth. So even though you lose swelling, each cycle you should still notice a small increase (especially in your leaning bust). 

About the PC and losing breast growth, I'm not sure. I don't take PC and never have. But if you are taking PC make sure to only rub it into the thinnest parts of your skin like your wrists, and don't rub it into your breasts because it can build up in your breasts tissues which is bad. Also, only use microdosages (like tiny dots) when rubbing into your skin.


Hope this helps and good luck on your journey!! 


Xoxo

Hi zara! I can't believe you responded to me and also with such depth!! I have always read your post and congratulations on your growth ! 

thanks for the reminder, originally, I saw maca as a hormonal balancer but it raises testosterone and saw palmetto as testosterone decreaser. now after research, saw palmetto: "Beta-sitosterol is a natural alpha-adrenergic receptor blocker. Specifically, it prevents a degraded form of testosterone called dihydrotestosterone from accumulating. The plant steroids in saw palmetto also act on progesterone receptors, an action that causes a reduction in estrogen levels" so yes, pm taken together with saw sounds like a cancellation. but for maca, information seems confusing, some says it raises testosterone, some says it only works by releasing chemicals and nutrients that sends message to the pituitary gland, which tells the body how much of each hormone to produce, but i get the point that it would interfere with pm if i take it at the same time! makes complete sense.

thank you thank you thank you so much for reaffirming me the progress of growing, that luteal swelling is normal and losing it during funicular is normal and i should be patient with all. it really gives me a big relieve. you have no idea how much it helps ti get that out of my mind !!

i am thinking of switching to siriporn after finishing it, opening the capsule does get messy now...

will try your milk thistle during period and vitex in small amounts and measurements advise! as you are getting success from that i seee!! lets see whether it works for me.

Thanks so much again zara for all the advises, you are very kind