[bosekk]

OMG thank you so much for this detailed response, joe!! I’m going to start following it to a tee and watch for results. Do these brands look OK for all of the herbs you listed? I listed fenugreek because can I sub fenugreek for the shavarti?

https://www.amazon.com/Capsules-Organic-Shatavari-Powder-Serving/dp/B07H39GDPG/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Shavarti+capsules&qid=1580434204&sr=8-3


https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Saw-Palmetto-320mg-Softgels/dp/B0013OXII8/ref=sr_1_6?crid=F7LD2S4BB9F2&keywords=320+mg+saw+palmetto&qid=1580434246&sprefix=320mg+saw%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-6

https://www.amazon.com/GNC-Herbal-Plus-Fenugreek-610mg/dp/B01N5A7RRH/ref=sr_1_9?crid=TVGY5XQQVUTJ&keywords=fenugreek+capsules&qid=1580434451&sprefix=fenugreek+ca%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-9

I have collagen powder and am going to start using it in my smoothies! 

https://www.vitalproteins.com/products/c...n-peptides

By the way, I am 5’3”, 108 pounds, petite build (like the model’s without her boobs lol) ... I also am on the nexplanon birth control (implant). Also, do you think MissMadScientist’s method would not work on me? She was on BC too and was still able to grow 3 cup sizes.

I am also going to continue daily massage for 5-10 minutes.

Thank you again!!

The shatavari or fenugreek should be 50% saponin to be strong enough, or close to 50%.  Try searching for “shatavari saponin” or “fenugreek saponin”.  Either is fine, same dose.  Saw palmetto and collagen is good.  Soy and flax may or may not be strong enough to balance with your birth control and give good results.  PM is stronger and you can still control it by trying a small amount first.  Most likely you could grow more with PM, or at worst you use a small amount and grow the same.  Using flax at the same time as PM wouldn’t hurt though.  It may interfere a little but with PM it’s easy to get a lot, unlike other herbs.

Joe, would this work? I trust this brand, I’ve been using it for my PM! Maybe I would just take one or two pills?

I’m also confused because some fenugreek advertises as increasing lactation in mothers and others like below talks about raising testosterone levels?? 

https://barlowesherbalelixirs.com/fenugr...l-saponins

Also could I take a larger dosage of saw palmetto if I didn’t want to use the above brand? I found another brand I wanted to use but it’s just a much higher dosage. Thanks!!!!

Also I was researching this brand...it’s high potency but doesn’t list saponin...

https://www.amazon.com/Fenugreek-Capsules-Increased-Breastfeeding-Lactation/dp/B01AS1GZC2/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?keywords=fenugreek+seed+capsules&qid=1580483929&sr=8-12

“High potency” is nothing but marketing.  Try this:

https://www.amazon.com/Shatavari-Saponin...B06X9Z74LG

Or this:

https://www.amazon.com/stores/AyurSante/node/3017707011

I saw an experiment which extracts Sarsasapogenin from Zhi Mu for breast enhancement. And wiki says Sarsasapogenin is a steroidal sapogenin, that is the aglycosidic portion of a plant saponin. Does that mean I can just get Saponin extract instead of Zhi Mu, and it will work the same?  

Also I have back pimples since always. Is it a sign of excess T?

Thanks, Joe.