[surferjoe2007]

The shatavari or fenugreek should be 50% saponin to be strong enough, or close to 50%.  Try searching for “shatavari saponin” or “fenugreek saponin”.  Either is fine, same dose.  Saw palmetto and collagen is good.  Soy and flax may or may not be strong enough to balance with your birth control and give good results.  PM is stronger and you can still control it by trying a small amount first.  Most likely you could grow more with PM, or at worst you use a small amount and grow the same.  Using flax at the same time as PM wouldn’t hurt though.  It may interfere a little but with PM it’s easy to get a lot, unlike other herbs.

Joe, would this work? I trust this brand, I’ve been using it for my PM! Maybe I would just take one or two pills?

I’m also confused because some fenugreek advertises as increasing lactation in mothers and others like below talks about raising testosterone levels?? 

https://barlowesherbalelixirs.com/fenugr...l-saponins

Also could I take a larger dosage of saw palmetto if I didn’t want to use the above brand? I found another brand I wanted to use but it’s just a much higher dosage. Thanks!!!!

Also I was researching this brand...it’s high potency but doesn’t list saponin...

https://www.amazon.com/Fenugreek-Capsules-Increased-Breastfeeding-Lactation/dp/B01AS1GZC2/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?keywords=fenugreek+seed+capsules&qid=1580483929&sr=8-12

“High potency” is nothing but marketing.  Try this:

https://www.amazon.com/Shatavari-Saponin...B06X9Z74LG

Or this:

https://www.amazon.com/stores/AyurSante/node/3017707011

I saw an experiment which extracts Sarsasapogenin from Zhi Mu for breast enhancement. And wiki says Sarsasapogenin is a steroidal sapogenin, that is the aglycosidic portion of a plant saponin. Does that mean I can just get Saponin extract instead of Zhi Mu, and it will work the same?  

Also I have back pimples since always. Is it a sign of excess T?

Thanks, Joe.

It may possibly work, but I don’t know much about it.  Not all saponins are for NBE so it may or may not do anything.  Iirc sarsapogenin is good topically for nbe for reasons that may be different from shatavari or fenugreek saponins.  Perhaps increasing fat cells.  IMO use shatavari or fenugreek saponin capsules to be safe but if you also want to try a sarsapogenin topical extract it wouldn’t hurt.

Acne is often related to excess T which saw palmetto extract and/or spearmint tea may help.  But a little bacne is pretty common so maybe there is nothing unusual there.