[Eve M]

Sep 27, 2006#1
Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

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GoldSnowflake
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Unread postSep 27, 2006#2
I remeber one of SugarQ's comments in another post, not to take Epo near first of program because it is a PMS herb and stops breasts from swelling and gettin sore before period. Also you should be taking more fenugreek, at least 1500mgs, per day, I am going by your last program. 600 something of fenugreek a day isn't really enough. Your SP is very high to start, really should be about 500mgs to start and then ramp up over the months.
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dandelion1
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Unread postSep 30, 2006#3

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

Thanks for the tip!
revised program:

this is a per day amnt

1800 mg fenugreek
480 mg fennel
480 mg kelp
500 mg saw palmetto
800 mg oat
400 u.i vitamin e

massage 1x per day cocoa butter and w/
2 drops fenugreek
2 drops chasteberry tree oil

-of course i take a miltivitamin, but i have stopped the l-tyrosine
.....
i have order wild yam cream, royal jelly (if it can turn a worker bee into a queen bee - it can surely give me boobies!) , and borage oil....so i will be adding these to my program asap.

.............i'll keep everyone posted!!!! if ever i get some progress, i will put my pics up. for now i've got nothing to show.......

********if anyone has any comments on this program please let me know!!!!! even if it's a tiny alteration, i appreciate all the help I can get!!!
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gingerD
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Unread postOct 03, 2006#4

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

Hi,(People will b sick of me going on about massage)(c my PP)
I am on WU doing well, but since i added the massage i seem to be going on in leaps and bouds.
Try & massage as often and as long as you can-some people, i think tigerlilly have had growth just massaging!

Just wondered what chasteberry tree oil does & if it would b worth adding to my routine.

Happy Growing & Good Luck
GingerD
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[url=https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/healthforum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2376167]dandelion1
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Unread postOct 04, 2006#5

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

.
chasteberry is already found in many nbe mixes .

i found a site that explains why raising estrogen levels may not help increase breast size
http://www.womenandinfants.org/body.cfm ... clinically

and that raising progesterone levels may do so
<
Other constituents of breast enhancement products are used because of their supposed effect on the hormone progesterone. This approach does have a certain logic to it. When taken as a pill, progesterone does increase breast size, and fairly safely. However, it does so by stimulating the growth and development of milk-producing cells, an effect that most non-nursing women would wish to avoid.

The herb chasteberry, added to breast enhancement products, might increase progesterone levels in some women. 3 However, there is no evidence that it increases breast size.

Another herb widely added to breast enhancement products as a source of progesterone, Mexican yam, does not in fact raise levels of progesterone at all. The widespread belief that it does so is based on a misconception.

For more information, see the full chasteberry and Mexican yam articles.
>.


therefore it is similar to wild yam, but potentially more effective

you might want to read this short article as well;http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060714.html

these sights are interesting as they don't promote any products.

and this is a description of chasteberry:
Chasteberry (Vitex agnus-castus). Talented fourth-generation California herbalist Christopher Hobbs, a botanist whom I respect, suggests using Vitex shortly after delivery to promote milk flow. This recommendation goes a bit beyond the usual uses of chasteberry for breast tenderness, PMS and menstrual complaints, but I have no problem suggesting this revered women's herb to enhance lactation. It's probably worth a try. (And it's a handsome ornamental flowering tree, as lovely as lilac.)
"vitex" is another word for chasteberry.

......................in my program i am trying to raise progesterone as well as estrogen, therefore the reason why i have fennel to rid of "bad" estrogen toxins. I'm honestly not sure if it be best to go one way or the other- so i'm doing both lol!

hope this is informative!
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Unread postOct 04, 2006#6

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

thanks for the tip on massage - i will massage 2x a day. and i have added 2 drops of hops
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Unread postOct 10, 2006#7

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

i forgot to post my stats
here they are:

currently (in inches)

bust: 32.5
waist: 27
hips: 36

my goal is to have a 36 inch bust (same as hips)

my height: 5 ft 5 1/2inchest (almost 5ft6
my weight: 125lbs

so i'm a normal build - not overly skinny but on the slim side; so i hope nbe works.
i have before pics, but as i mentionned i will only post if theres any growth.
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Unread postOct 10, 2006#8

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

my sawpalmetto intake is 1000mg every second day
and i will start l-tyrosine 1000 mg every third day

..the reason for this is i find the pills to be high in mg.

i massage using tigerlily's technique

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Unread postOct 18, 2006#9

Hello!
i'm posting my message hoping that someone will see what I'm doing wrong and point it out!!!!

START: JULY 4TH

3 x day

->1 fennel 500mg
->1 dong quai 500mg
->1 damiana 500mg
->massage w/ coco butter

JULY 10TH

-> introduction of chasteberry tree oil in massage, 1 drop 2 x a day in coco butter

JULY 15TH

-> introduction of Saw Palmetto 500mg x 3 /day

AUG 7TH
.........ran out of herbs

AUG 21RST
610 mg fenugreek x 3
530 mg Dongqai x 3
450 mg Damiana x 3
1000mg S.P x 3
1 epo
1 multivitamin

AUG 27TH
-> added L-tyrosine
-> added Vit. e. 400 u.i.

SEPT 5TH
-> pm for 15 days

SEPT 18TH ----------- NEW PROGRAM:
-chasteberry; 2 drops per day in boobie batter
-1000mg sp 1x
-vit e. 400 u.i
-1 multivitamin
-500mg epo
-600 fenugreek 1x

______________________________________________________________________

basically at no point during all this did i receive a slight 'fullness' , soreness, or ANYTHING!! i understnad i switched it up a bit but i figure i should still had felt someone. I'm thinking maybe adding royal jelly or kelp???? PLEASE HELP, ANY COMMENTS WILL BE APPRECIATED.

.....also , for the general information of others- i have tried bo from bountiful breasts for 3 months with nada.

...received herbs in the mail so i'm tweaking my program....
all my programs from here on end will be a modification of my oct.30th posting
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stats

bust 32.5 = no growth/ no fullness / not even tingles
rib cage 30
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total daily values:
1800 mg fenugreek
480 mg fennel
480 mg kelp
500 mg stinging nettle (to replace saw palmetto)
800 mg oat
400 u.i vitamin e
500 mg barley
1000 mg borage oil (to replace EPO)
300 mg royal jelly (got this from michelle choi's program)
200 mg ginseng

.....these herbs are taken at no specific time, i just make sure to take them all, and they are all in capsul form. I also have a royal jelly and ginseng mix in liquid form but its the same amnt in mg so i'm assuming whether i take it in liquid or capsul makes no difference if i ingest it.

massages:
2 drops fenugreek + 2 drops hops + 2 drops chasteberry in moisturizer
then...
cocoa butter and vitamin e mix massage
then...
wild yam cream massage

these massages are separate simply for the reason being my skin seems to absorb them better one at a time. The massages are done 1x day, sometimes 2x.

i am contemplating taking 20mg of whey protein shakes...

any comments on my program is extremely appreciated, post in my programs page all you want!!!!!