[Eve M]

Hi Frostedmint06's,

Thanks for the info. I compared prices and the shipping cost, and decided to order a few things on www.iherb.com. Their international shipping cost is more reasonable, which brings the total cost down. But I only got a few main herbs that most programs require; otherwise I would be looking at spending hundreds of dollars.

I am also using Progesterone cream for the 2nd half of my cycle. Waxingmoon suggested the kind she uses, which is the NOW brand because it contains natural progesterone ingredients that can be absorbed by our body. Waxingmoon has had very impressive growth when she started off 34AAAA, kind of like me.

I just would like to be a full 34A so I don't have so much trouble finding a bra and I can wear clothes even if they have a slightly low neck.

Please update me of your progress and what you find as useful.

Thanks.

Sarah
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Unread postDec 11, 2007#12

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hi Sarah,


I found another site-Swansonvitamins.com. It's also supposed to be good. Another thing to remember is growth is still possible without herbs since they're more difficult for you to obtain. If you haven't already seen them Fengshui's D cup Journey Program (last updated Oct 21 2007) and Tigerlily's booby growth project program (last updated Aug 29 2007) are definitely worth a look. Both programs are based on massage and booby foods with few if any supplements and both have been very successful. That's whats so great about this forum there is just so much information on here. Good luck with everything (especially the progesterone cream)!
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Unread postDec 12, 2007#13

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hello Frostedmint06,

Thanks for the info. I indeed have seen Fengshui and Tiger Lily's program. But I just feel that I am one of those who are very difficult to get results. So I was thinking to give myself a push by getting some strong herbs in the system.

Sarah
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Unread postDec 12, 2007#14

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hi Sarah

I know how you feel. I was concerned at first about my chances for growth which is one of the reasons my program has a lot of stuff in it-in case one thing didn't work something else might. My program is basically a combination of 4 different routines-Eve's,Pammy's (from BE board) Tigerlily/Fengshui's and Noogleberry. I'm not the most patient of people but I've also learned to take a longer term view of this whole process. My routine used to be a lot more complicated than now if you can believe it. Believing that success is possible is probably one of the best things. If you are having trouble seeing yourself as being successful with this creative visualization may help. I have a poster I made up of myself with my face pasted on pictures of models cut out from magazines and such (don't laugh it really helps me focus on my goals-okay it is kind of funny but it really works!) Also with my breast pump my boobs expand right before my eyes which is a big motivation as well. Sorry for the novel and best of luck with everything.
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Unread postDec 13, 2007#15

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hello Frostedmint,

What kind of breast pump did you get? I am in Singapore and see that somebody is selling some kind of breast enhancement/enlargement pump on ebay here for approximately USD17.

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :IT&ih=006

Can you see if it's a decent one? I don't want to get some phony imitator.

Thanks.

Sarah
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Unread postDec 13, 2007#16

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hi Sarah,

My breast pump comes from http://www.noogleberry.com/index.html The item you are talking about is something different that's a massager whereas mine is an actual pump. I haven't used the massager in question but others on the forum have.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/371678/t ... 195846335/

I really like my breast pump and would definitely recommend it. Noogleberry has free world wide shipping too (I know that's an issue for you). They also sell on Ebay. If you have time Noogleberry's forum is full of information. Hope that helps! Best of luck.
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Unread postDec 14, 2007#17

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

I have gained 1/2 an inch. I now measure 34" across the bustline. Yippee! My routine is basically the same except that I've officially dropped the hypnosis CD, added lavender oil to my massage lotion and use my breast pump twice a day for 1 hour (total 2 hours). I'm only 1/2 an inch away from possibly filling out a B cup!
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Unread postDec 15, 2007#18

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hello Frostedmint,

I was wondering what form of hops you are using. I have used Nature's Way hops capsules, 310mg each. Can I use them to make up the dosage of 2000 mg that you suggested in your program?

I have measured myself since I started the program. I feel it would be too depressing to find out how helplessly small I am. I thought I would wait till I get some visible, obvious gain. Do you think it's crucial that I measure now?

Thanks.

Sarah
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Unread postDec 15, 2007#19

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hi Sarah

I use the exact same brand of hops. I take 6 of them per day, the 2000mg amount mentioned at the top of the page is a typo, the correct amount I take is 1860mg (I'll correct that later).
I definitely think you should take your measurements now. It's the only way to accurately track your growth and I also think you should consider setting up a program page as well. I really wish I had taken before photos of myself but was too chicken to do so and now I regret it. A picture really is worth a thousand words as they say. I probably wouldn't ever post a picture but would like a reminder of where I started (you might want to consider that as well). Have you made a decision on the breast massager? Keep me posted and best of luck.

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Unread postDec 16, 2007#20

Starting stats as of mid August 2007:

Sex: Female
Age: 43
Ht: 5'1.5"
Wt: 108-111lbs
Bust: 32.5"
Underbust: 29.5"
Bra size: 34AA
Children: 1
Breastfed: 7 months

Non-smoker, non-drinker, don't drink pop, coffee or tea (except herbal tea), lacto-ovo vegetarian.

Program:

Fennel 500 mg
Fenugreek 3000 mg
Hops 1860 mg
Oats 1000 mg
Soya 1500 mg
Saw Palmetto 3000 mg
Wild Yam 3000 mg
EPO 3000 mg
Flaxseed Oil 3000 mg
Borage Oil 2000 mg
Nettle Root 1000 mg
Flaxseed meal 1 tbsp (goes on my cereal in the morning)

The pills are divided up and taken 3x a day on an empty stomach before breakfast, supper and bedtime.

Massage:

I follow the Tigerlily/Fengshui and Pansyclub massages for 20 minutes. My massage oil consists of EPO and Borage oil mixed with Hops, Soya, Oats and Fennel. After that I use a heating pad for 20 minutes and drink 1 tbsp each Barley, Alfalfa, Brewers Yeast and gelatin mixed in water.

Teas:

I have tea once a day in the evening. I make it with 1 tsp each Cumin, Fennel, Nettle leaf, Hops and whatever else is handy to mask the taste.

Diet:

I follow the Yin/Yang system (booby foods). I also supplement my diet with protein shakes. I try to avoid sugar, white flour and overly processed foods.

Other:

Once a week I listen to a hypnosis CD. I use affirmations and visualization as often as possible throughout the day.




**Any comments or questions are welcome on this board**

Hello Frostedmint,

Thank you for your encouragement to take measurements. I did, and as I expected, it was most depression as my under bust and bust are barely only 1 inch difference, which probably gives me 34AAAA.

Do you know why some of the girls use both hand massage and the electric massager? What's the difference? I was hoping to replace the hand massage with electric massager, and that it would be strong and more consistent since I still have doubt as to if I am doing massaging correctly.

Thanks.

Sarah