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Hi Moon,

I made a startling discovery that in some of the web posting referred to by the message "Taking on this challenge", the direction of the rotation of massage is just the opposite of what I have been doing. It says that you are supposed to have your hands at the bottom of your breasts, right hand on right breast and left hand on left breast. Then you are supposed to move your hands up and in between the breasts and apart to the top of each breast and then on the outside of the breasts and finally down, returning to the bottom of the breasts again. From the massage method postings on this forum, I thought it was the opposite. What direction have you been doing? Do you push hard as tigerlily and Fengshui describe? Do you use knuckles or just the palm of your hands and fingers? Thanks a lot.
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Unread postJan 04, 2008#22

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hi Sarah. Um well firstly, are you sure you don't have me confused with someone else? I hadn't had much sucess in NBE at all. I got 1 measurable but unnoticable inch of growth last summer but that's all. I'm a not quite 34A.
As for your questions, the palm massage is supposed to be performed inwards. I feel that the best massage is a kind of mixed one that includes many different movements and techniques: fingetips to deliver targeted deep penetrating and stimulating massage, knucles to deliver forceful but less targeted deep penetrating and stimulating massage, sqeezes where you place your thumb on the inner side of your breasts and other fingers on the outter side and just drive them over with some pressure and just kindof kneed the whole breast, palm rotations, and it's also very important to twiddle the nipples.
If WU is not viable to you due to price, you should look for herbs in your local stores and make up a custom routine. Which herbs to include is up to you and what you can find.
PS - You can find the answers to pretty much any question by using the search function.
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Unread postJan 14, 2008#23

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I feel like I'm in a similar boat as you after you said in the boyfriend thread from the main board that you feel your are one of those women who's puberty was stalled like me. I haven't been taking herbs as long as you (about 2 months now) but I had some pains at the beginning and so far have seen zero change, no matter how much I massage and such. Do you think that maybe this NBE stuff is just inapplicable to ladies who are stuck in this puberty state? I'm kind of thinking this to be true... Or have you seen or know of any on this board who was in a puberty state and managed to grow significantly?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I just thought you were the best one to ask since you know what I'm talking about
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Unread postJan 16, 2008#24

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hi Hopeful, NBE is certainly not only for women who already have breasts, there have been many girls who started very small or flat and grew nicely, from the picture pages I can think of Lisa121, Tigerlilly, Epiphany and Bufee. 2 months is not so much, most girls report that it took them 3 to start noticing growth. Also, do you measure? If not, you could have easily already gained up to an inch without realising, cause that is still unnoticalble to the eye. But it's good to measure so that you can detect this unnoticable progress and know that you are growing. I think it's best to measure every day, so that you really get a hang of it and can do it as accurately as possible. I can measure up to 0,5 cm accurately.
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Unread postJan 25, 2008#25

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

A bit of update - When I stoped herbs for a short while to see the effect, my pains and signs subsided, but when I started them again, they came back. I've been having quite a lot of tingling and itching. Measurements still about the same.
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Unread postJan 26, 2008#26

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Sorry its taken so long for me to reply! I forgot I posted here a while ago Thanks for pointing out those people to me, I see what you mean and that does give me some more hope. I do measure and sadly it is always the same thus far... Do you think the RC did you good compared to fennel and fenugreek or not really?

Congrats on all your itches and pains I wish you all the luck dear
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Unread postJan 28, 2008#27

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I really can't say, at the time when I did RC I didn't know enoguh about NBE to do a good routine. I went of BCP thinking that maybe then NBE would work better but now I know that that's actually bad for NBE cause it throws you hormones out of ballance. I also didn't do agressive massages. I still have some RC and I'm thinking of adding it again sometime soon, I'll see. Thanks, and best wishes to you too.
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Unread postFeb 01, 2008#28

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Well the first and most important update I have to make is that I came to a realization - I grew 1 inch last summer. As unbelievable as that sounds, I was not aware of it. I measured it, but since all my previous NBE attempts have been unsucessful, I just wrote it off as gaining weight or whatever, I somehow didn't really believe it. But I actually didn't gain any weight in that time and my underbust measurment remained the same as well. And after that inch was gone, after I stopped all NBE including massage, I realized that it really was there and attributable to GY. But I hope this doesn't mean I can only grow temporarily.
But this gave me sth to think about - that maybe I could have had an increase before, but didn't know cause I never measured, cause I expected to see an obvious eye noticable increase and when I didn't, I gave up. I did somewhere along the road start finding 34A bras which I actually filled, which before I never found anywhere, but I though that before that was just because I didn't go shopping often enoguh. So I realized that I might have been too impatient and too optimistic in NBE - in the sense of expecting too much, as well as too pessimistic, in the sense of dismissing positive clues.

Now, the second update about my current routine. It has been 1 month sicne I started magnets + herbs. My bust measurment has increased for like 1/2'', which isn't a lot, but I know how to measure very accurately so I'm sure it's there. What gives me the most hope is that I've been having more signs of growth on this routine than I ever did on any others before. I also noticed that I only get the signs if I do the program consistently, with the energising treatment and all 3 growth treatments and all before and after massages. I do shorter than 5 minutes but my massage is very stimulating and it seems to be enoguh, what seems to matter is that I do it before and after. The energising treatment also seems important cause when I didn't do massage with it or didn't do it at all I had less signs. But I did stop doing the inertial treatments, because one day I was having continous pains and tingles the whole evening and then I did the inertial treatment and in 15 minutes they were gone and no more signs for two days. So I figured the intertial treatment ''shuts me down'' too strongly and will only do like one a weak to keep the breasts healthy. I'm keeping my hopes up for this method, but in 2 weeks my classes start again and I'm worried how I will keep it up...
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Unread postFeb 04, 2008#29

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I measured 90,5 cm today after massage, which is my old measurment from after I did GY and the most I ever measured. Yay for that! I hope I'll keep growing as fast as I seem to have in the last couple of weeks. I've been sore practically all the time, with lots of tingles and itchiness, and some pains.
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Unread postFeb 06, 2008#30

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hi Moon,

Just wanted to check you're doing 1x energising treatment and 2x growth treatment? How long do you do each for?

I don't have much time to mess about but could find time to do energising and 1x growth before work, 1x growth when I get in and 1x growth before bed - do you think doing 3x growth treatments would help make up for leaving them unattended all day?

I was also thinking of taping the magnets to the end of the BB cups so that as the breast fills the cups it gets more and more magnetised (you keep the machine on for an hour but you're probably only in useful range for maybe 20-30 mins). I was also considering using the electric massager before each one as it feels like an electric current spreading through the breast and I thought it might work well with magnets.