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Hi Louise. I was just going to write an update with details about my program. I do 1x energising and 3x growth treatments. At first I wasn't so consistent and had less signs, then I decided to really stick to it and got more signs and my measurment started increasing. I noticed that it's important that I do the before and after massage and all 3 growth treatments. I sometimes do less than recomended 5 minutes each, but as I mentioned before, my massages are very stimulating and it seems to be enoguh. Sometimes I do an energising treatment and shortly after the growth treatment, but in between I give my breasts a few minutes to depolarize before applying the magnets in growth position, I think it wouldn't be good to just turn them arround immediately. I leave the magnets on for 3 minutes as the program suggests. I also noticed that the energising treatment seems to be very important for me, yesterday I didn't do it and neither this morning and I had less signs, but I when did it today in the evening my breasts started feeling incredibly sensitive immediately after putting the magnets on.

I don't quite understand your question ''whether 3x growth treatments would help make up for leaving them unattended all day'' (sorry poor English). I tried the method of leaving the magnets on whole day/night at the beginning and it didn't give me a single sign. The intervals with massage seems to be the right thing for me, and I have confirmed that massages are cruical, I dunno how it would work tho if I left magnets on longer and also massaged, but I'm paranoid about causing some sort of adaptation so I decided not to try that.
The electron massager sounds like a good complement to the magnets, tho my massge is very different from the kind the massager gives (I assume vibrating?). I have not tried a different massage, but since this method isn't based on prolactin, a vibrating instead of agressive stimulating massage could work just as well, I think.
I might also add this - the most important of all growing signs I have on magnets is soreness, I'm sore practically all the time. But I only notice it when I massage (it's a bit more difficult), I'd have no idea they're sore if I did't touch them. So if you were to gather from your signs how continous or intermited use of magnets works for you, soreness on pressure would deffinitely be a sign to watch out for. I thoguht you might not notice it as you don't massage. In fact I didn't notice it myself for quite a while, I thoguth I was bruised from massge or my chest muscles acked exercise or sth.

Damn, sorry for the essay, I just don't know how to keep it short lol.
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Unread postFeb 06, 2008#32

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I added red clover and barely on 29. 1., which is right before my measurment started increasing rather fast, I could measure a 0,5 cm increase like every other day. But it's also when I started being more consistent with my treatments.

Anyway my daily herbs now are:
1500 mg soy
1000 mg nettle root
480 mg ced clover
500 mg barely
600 mg flax seed oil
150 mg kelp
150 mg grape seed
~250 mg cayenne

I drink a multivitamin every day and my protein intake is mostly based on lots of milk (lol).
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Unread postFeb 06, 2008#33

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Wow quick response!

I meant that if I do two treatments in the evening will that make up for not magnetising / massaging all day at work (unattended means alone!). Do you always do an energising treatment before a growth treatment? Do you do the growth treatment for 3 mins as well or do you do it for longer?

I find that the energising treatment makes them feel very active and then I put the growth magnets on and go out, the feelings wear off within about 30 mins. I think using on and off throughout the day may be more effective, like wait until the sensation wears off and remove the magnets then leave off for the same length of time it took for the feelings to stop and then put them back.

Keep us updated as to how you fit magnets in around your class schedule, that may be easier for me to follow.

Alternatively what about starting the 'day' when I get in from work and using them on and off over night e.g 7pm, 10pm, 5am, 8am, this would be easier for me.

Don't worry, your English is great, I get carried away with local expressions!
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Unread postFeb 07, 2008#34

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I think we are probably not all the same in how we respond to magnets. But leaving magnets on while the ''active'' feeling persists sounds sensible to me. I get growing signs throughout the entire day, but I rarely get this ''active'' feeling that you describe after applying the magnets, I got it a few times during the energising treatment after not energising for a while (when it seemed my body was drained of the ''energy'' and needed to fill up), and it never lasted for as long as 30 minutes, which may mean that short intervals are the best thing for me, but if you get longer lasting activity it may be that longer intervals are ok for you. My hypothesis is that it's better to use magnets intermittedly and not continously because the body might adapt to a constant magnetic field, but some people adapt faster, like me, some people later, like you, and some not at all, like Kieyah.

I feel that 3 evenly spread growth treatments are the best for me, but 2 growth treatments in the evening might be enoguh for you. A scedule designed for growth at night sounds like sth that could work well because of the nightly GH peak (but damn, you get up at 5 AM?!! O.o).

I do a combined energising + growth treatment only in the morning (so to get the 9 AM and noon treatment into one and save time). But I have just started doing that and I am not yet sure it's really a good thing.
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Unread postFeb 07, 2008#35

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I had major trouble with magnets yesterday. Two of my two-stacks got snapped together permanently, so I had to make new ones from the chipped magnets I had left. I checked the polarity and it seemed to be ok. I'll be ordering new, but I'm broke right now so I'll have to use these for a while.
Meanwhile I think my growing signs have decreased. :/ Aside from this magnet trouble, two other possible causes could be: 1 - I started doing the combined E + G treatment. 2 - I ate a lot of salty junk food in the last couple of days and not much protein.

Another update I might write here is that I noticed my areolas got bigger and puffier lately. I don't like it at all but apparently that's a sign of growth as well.

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Unread postFeb 08, 2008#36

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

And today I feel that yesterday I imagined my signs decreasing. Boobies are as sore as ever with occasional pains and tingles.
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Unread postFeb 14, 2008#37

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Cross that^, my signs have seriously declined in the last weak or so. Must be the chipped magnets. I've ordered new. Still stuck at the 90,5 cm mark.
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Unread postFeb 21, 2008#38

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hahaha, I must sound paranoid. :p The signs are back after receiving new magnets. However I have less of them than I did before which must be due to the fact that my classes started and I have more stress and I can't be quite as consistent anymore. Some days I do all 4 treatments (1 E, 3 G), some days I do only 2 G treatments and some days I do a combined E+G treatment in the morning. I seem to be painfully and slowly getting over the cursed 90,5 cm mark, measuring 91 cm most mornings.

Another news tho is that my lobes have gotten hard as stone! Ok not actually, but really hard. I will start doing a lighter massage.
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Unread postMar 01, 2008#39

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

It has been two months of my new program. I'm not sure if I'm happy with how it's working - I have increased 2 cm in January and only 0,5 cm in whole of February. The weird thing is that the January increase came mostly towards the end of the month, almost all in one week! If it wasn't for the encouraging signs, I'd think the magnets aren't really working and I got the inch from massage alone. But magnets deffinitely do feel like they are doing something, so I'm thinking maybe the rapid increase did have more to do with massage and the magnets will take more time.

More on the massage induced lobe increase, I think my lobes have become surrounded with a fibrous capsula because of all the harrassment, which is why they are so hard. So the increase could be only apparent and the glands haven't really grown, but only the connective tissue. :/

I have also slacked on suction lately thinking that maybe it's not so important, and now I'm thinking that maybe it is, so I have decided to be consistent with it again.
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Unread postMar 07, 2008#40

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I'm feeling a lot more optimistic than I was when I wrote the last post. Lol, my mood about NBE changes like weather so it may really be good to pick up Andrew Dobson's hypnosis. I'm measuring 91,5 cm in the mornings, boobs feel bigger and meatier during massage. I bought two bras resently, a non-paded 34A and a non-paded 36A (yay!). I am certain I grew now, because some time ago I tried on the same bras and couldn't fill them. I haven't been very consistent with magnet treatments due to study obligations, but I'm trying to be whenever I can. I think I may have found how to do magnets to work the best - a growth treatment right before bed time. It makes sense, because sleep is the time when the most growth hormone is released and should be the optimal time to growth. Especially with drinking a large glass of milk before going to bed as well.