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hey moon! sorry to hear about the itching
i was wondering where you got your magnets form? like, what program it is and all? I am very interested in this, so if you have a website or something..you said you do energizing massages, so is it a book that you buy that comes with the magnets?
Thanks!
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Unread postSep 06, 2008#62

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Oooops, sorry for missing your question Dandelion, I see you already found your answer.

Okay, so update - with the insight of some fellow NBEers, I concluded that my reaction was most likely nickel allergy. Which was rather good news, cause it ment I must only get gold plated magnets and I can continue. The problem was, all gold plated magnets still contain nickel underneath.
So, I got my gold plated magnets yesterday. I painted them with transparent nail pollish (used the whole bottle), wrapped them in plastic bags and taped them. And today I've been trying them on to finally see whether I can continue. So far so good. I got just the slightest itching at the beginning, which would disappear when I got distracted and forgot I was wearing magnets, so it was most likely psychological. The real test will be the night, as I always seemed to itch the most at noghts before. If I wake up tomorow without itching I can safely go woohoo.

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Unread postSep 07, 2008#63

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I got the itching. Gawdf*ckingdmnit.

I guess I'll somehow have to obtain magnets which don't contain nickel. But it seems weird to me that I would absorb nickel throguh those thick layers of gold, nail-pollish, plastic polyvinyl and tape.
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Unread postSep 10, 2008#64

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

I started vitex today. It's sth that I've been planing for a while as I hear it balances excess androgens and also to see if it has any other nice effects on me.

I've also ordered new magnets which are supposed to be nickel free. I'm not sure I trust they really are tho. But I've found a few other places on the net that sell nickel free and other sort of magnets I can try in case these I ordered fail. There's teflon coating and rubber coating and if all else fails, I might even get samarium magnets. So it may take a bit of time before I find the magnets I can use, so I'm starting vitex cause I'm too impatient not to be on some sort of program. :p I'm planing to do both when I receive my magnets.
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Unread postOct 10, 2008#65

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

So, I've been on vitex for about a month and I have a few things to update:

I'm noticing a slight case of that transitional hormonal symptoms worsening distinctive of vitex. My period was slightly more painful that usual and I've been slightly PMSy.

In the first week or so I shrunk 0,5 cm, which is exactly how much morning swelling I always had. Then in the next 3 weeks or so I increased 1 cm. I've had the same kind of soreness as I had with magnets all the time, and some pains and tingles - but only when I did a massage before bedtime. I do a combination of rotations, sqeezes, deep presure and nipple stimultion. It seems that the cruicial part tho is the pressure massage, because only when I do this I get all the growing signs. I've started to massage in the morning too and they were even more acky.

I've had a total of 1 zit in this whole month and my skin looks better right now than it ever did. I can say that so far vitex has exceeded my expectations, as I wasn't expecting to grow from it (just hoping), but I'm trying no to get too excited as it's still too early to say this will actually be growth.


Oh, and another thing - I've got supposedly nickel free magnets waiting for me in my closet, but I'm too scarred to try them. I think that if I trigger myself the allergic reaction just once more, I might never get rid of it. If this program and what I have in mind next (PM) works, I don't think I'll ever try them.
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Unread postOct 11, 2008#66

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Moon - did you ever get an actual rash from the magnets or just from the scratching? If all you got was itching it may have been some sort of growth sign as I really don't see how a nickel allergy could get htrough all the coatings you put on!

Glad to hea you're growing though, what're your measurements like bust / underbust compared to when you started?
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Unread postOct 11, 2008#67

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hey Louise. I'm pretty sure the itching I got was no growing sign cause it was on my skin not inside my boobs. And not even on the skin of my boobs, but mostly arround. That was a really weird thing - the itching started at the nipples, then moved to my breasts and then on the arreas arround my breasts, the most itchy areas were between the boobs, under them and between the boob and armpit. The itching was severe, I scratched the skin off my chest, I still have a few spots on my skin left from the scars, I didn't sleep well at night and I was dependant on lotions and creams.

At the beginning I did my best not to scratch, much, and the rash still appeared, so I think there would be some rash even without scaratching.

I really don't get how nickel could get throguh all that either, which made me question if it really was nickel allergy, but on the other hand it takes only 1 molecule to trigger a reaction, and it also makes sense in that it appeared after about 2 weeks of continous use which seems just like the ammount of exposure needed to trigger nickel allergy. Also the way symptoms migrated as I described before reminds of hypersensitivity reaction.

Maybe I was a bit too optimistic in saying I'm growing on vitex, my measurment change is still minimal so I should wait more before I get excited. I started (before all NBE) at 87,5-88 cm overbust and right now I'm 91,5-92, underbust stayed the same, I was a ''big'' 34AA, now I fit the best into 36A.

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Unread postOct 22, 2008#68

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Not great news. I had to stop using vitex from 13-18 October because I was on antibiotics. I've started back up and now I don't get the soreness anymore. My measurment has also gone down 1 cm in that gap and another 1 cm since I've started, I measured 2 cm smaller tonight! I'm hoping that it's because I just started back and the signs will reapear in the following days and my measurment will normalize to my usual and hard achieved 92 cm. Must remain positive.
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Unread postOct 23, 2008#69

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hi Moon,
You have probably already considered this, but you may need to use some acidophilis to repopulate your intestinal bacteria post antibiotic use or else you may not absorb the vitex as well. Just a thought...

Best wishes on regaining that growth,
waxingmoon
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Unread postOct 24, 2008#70

Okay, so here goes my current program and my previous trial:

Starter size: AA

FROM MID SEP 2005 TO MID FEB 2006: I took a product called Bust Plus
Ingredients: equal doses of fenugreek, fennel, hops and chinese yam, did not state how much exactly.
I took the whole dose (3 pills) once a day, in the morning, didn't drink coffee and didn't massage. I only noticed tingling right after I started taking it, but it stoped after about two weeks. I noticed fullness, hadn't had much pains, and NO real growth.

FROM MID MARCH: separate herbs SP and FG:

First month: smaller doses - 1080 mg of SP whole berry and 1830 mg of FG a day (in two doses - morning and evening), didn't massage,didn't notice much happening.

Second month: raised the doses - sth like 1620 mg of SP whole berry and ~2440 - 3660 mg a day, experimented with changing doses, divided the daily dose on three times per day.
I usually drank a cup of coffe a day. I got most pains when I suddenly changed the daily dose - like the day I took the lowest dose after I took the highest the previous day, but overall still very few pains and no growth.

NOW: starting third month on separate herbs: size still AA
Routine:
Morning: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter
Afternoon: 540 mg SP, 1020 mg FG (+ 1 cup of coffee)
Evening: 540 mg SP, 610 mg FG, 1000 mg borage oil, massage with cocoa butter

I have a losion of which cocoa butter is the main ingredient and it also contains aloe vera and vitamin E. I am not yet sure how milk thistle is supposed to be taken and what I'll decide in regards to brakes. I hope this works for me.

Hi Waxingmoon, it did occur to me, but I thought that only 5 days of antibiotics probably doesn't affect the inestinal flora. I think I had 2 or 3 probiotic yoghurts afterwards, cause I like them and eat them anyway. But who knows. The intestinal flora surely is very important for digestion of herbs, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to eat some more of those yoghurts. Thanks for your imput!